Neil Peart

you really misunderstand her then. she finds his drumming style boring because it is too predictable; what he has played once he will play again. but she does not hate him

Catcher10 wrote: My only issue is that I don't see her posting this stongly with such intensity in other threads with regard to other artists.....I feel safe to say most of us only see it with regard to Neil Peart......I am not sure how much more definition you need to call her a Neil Peart thread troll. Its her opinion and there is nothing wrong with that but the rantings just seem to get out of hand where she spends most of her time explaining her previous posts and what she meant.   I for one do not believe at all that he has any frills with his performance or equipment choice. He uses all his kit during live performances, its essential. If you do not like an artist, then its easy not to see or hear the subtle nuances someone like Peart inserts in his performances as compared to his studio recordings. The video of Mani she posted that shows him playing the pots and pans....that to me was frills and Mani having to scream in the mic to get the club crowd "into it" is also frills. I just have a hard time connecting her posts all together because again they just seem to break apart and the points get lost.

I dont have any problems understanding her opinion about Peart. she is an excellent drummer herself, but just the opposite type of Peart: Pear t plays it safe, everyrthing is calculated, she is a risktaker and plays whatever comes to her mind. she never knows what she is going to play until she plays it, and she could not repeat any of her solos because her solos are improvised. that does not mean there are no planned parts in it; she has a vague outline for her solos, like "first comes this part, then this part, and then this part ", but within these parts there is lots of room for improvisation. and improvisation means taking risks (she is like that in everyday life too, by the way). Peart on the other hand plays it safe; he has rehearsed his solo a hundred times and can do it in his sleep, and even his fill-ins are always the same as in the studio version. and that gives her a big yawn. she believes Peart is wasting his talents that way, because she fully acknowledges that he knows how to drum, and she expressed that in this thread more than once

Catcher10 wrote: BaldJean wrote: Catcher10 wrote: My only issue is that I don't see her posting this stongly with such intensity in other threads with regard to other artists.....I feel safe to say most of us only see it with regard to Neil Peart......I am not sure how much more definition you need to call her a Neil Peart thread troll. Its her opinion and there is nothing wrong with that but the rantings just seem to get out of hand where she spends most of her time explaining her previous posts and what she meant.   I for one do not believe at all that he has any frills with his performance or equipment choice. He uses all his kit during live performances, its essential. If you do not like an artist, then its easy not to see or hear the subtle nuances someone like Peart inserts in his performances as compared to his studio recordings. The video of Mani she posted that shows him playing the pots and pans....that to me was frills and Mani having to scream in the mic to get the club crowd "into it" is also frills. I just have a hard time connecting her posts all together because again they just seem to break apart and the points get lost.   I dont have any problems understanding her opinion about Peart. she is an excellent drummer herself, but just the opposite type of Peart: Pear t plays it safe, everyrthing is calculated, she is a risktaker and plays whatever comes to her mind. she never knows what she is going to play until she plays it, and she could not repeat any of her solos because her solos are improvised. that does not mean there are no planned parts in it; she has a vague outline for her solos, like "first comes this part, then this part, and then this part ", but within these parts there is lots of room for improvisation. and improvisation means taking risks (she is like that in everyday life too, by the way). Peart on the other hand plays it safe; he has rehearsed his solo a hundred times and can do it in his sleep, and even his fill-ins are always the same as in the studio version. and that gives her a big yawn. she believes Peart is wasting his talents that way, because she fully acknowledges that he knows how to drum, and she expressed that in this thread more than once   Thanks BaldJean........for me I absolutely did not get any of this from this thread or other threads she has posted with regard to Neil Peart...way too many of us feel she is just bashing him, which again for me is fine a lot of bashing happens on this site...music is an expression of art so of course people will throw their opinions in, some make sense......others completely miss the boat and that is where I feel she is at.   If you go back to 1974-75 you can see the progression of Neil's drumming, it is clearly there, it is not boring...but also it is not like Mani's drumming either or others she has mentioned. I just don't think you can compare them.......but maybe the best thing to do is she can create a poll and list all her drummers and ask for feedback on each. Also maybe you should write her posts for her....and I mean no disrespect.   And also I am done with this for now...gotta go cook some dinner.

I actually don't understand how people can feel she is just bashing Peart. she has explicitely mentioned that she fully acknowledeges his drumming skills. she just does not like the way some of his fans idolize him. "our Peart, which art behnd the drum kit, hallowed be thine sticks. thy roll be done, thy fill-in come, as on record so on stage".

as to the poll you mentioned: she has already done that, with very little feedback, or rather with no votes at all for the little known drummers
http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=55755&KW=drum+poll&PID=3153953&title=a-different-kind-of-drum-poll#3153953


Edited by BaldJean - January 08 2011 at 20:39

Do we really have to listen to you two Baldies tell us over and over again that you are not bashing Peart and that you fully acknowledge his drumming skills.  We have heard you.  We get it.

Hey, but why not say it again?  Just to make sure.

Why don't you all make a thread about all of the wonderful German drummers?  Better yet, since one of you is such a great drummer with unpredictable playing style, why don't you post a youtube video of your playing?  Maybe we can comment on just how wonderful you really are.

This whole topic has gotten stale.  I think I am going to watch an old Rush DVD.  Maybe see if I can predict exactly what Neal will do next.

rushaholic wrote: Do we really have to listen to you two Baldies tell us over and over again that you are not bashing Peart and that you fully acknowledge his drumming skills.  We have heard you.  We get it. Hey, but why not say it again?  Just to make sure. Why don't you all make a thread about all of the wonderful German drummers?  Better yet, since one of you is such a great drummer with unpredictable playing style, why don't you post a youtube video of your playing?  Maybe we can comment on just how wonderful you really are. This whole topic has gotten stale.  I think I am going to watch an old Rush DVD.  Maybe see if I can predict exactly what Neal will do next.

it is interesting how you deduct that Friede refers to German drummers only. which she does not at all. but you react like the typical  Rushfan - if we don't agree about how much better überdrummer Peart is then we must be bashing him. goodness, what mimoses you are

BaldFriede wrote: Pedart is the most5 ovcerrated drummer ever. What I mean by that is not that he can't drum; on the contrqary, I have no doubts at all about his drumming abilities. Howwever, there are lots of drummers whoare equally good buthose style I conisder to be much more interesting. Peart is too predictiable for my taste; I like drummers to do the unexpected, and Peart is not the man to deliver there. Mark that I am NOT a Peart hater. I am, however, a Peart fan hater because his fans  magnify his abilities in comparison wirth other drummers, and that is simply not true. Peart is not an überdrummer at al. It is definitely not like this: 1) Peart , , , , , ,  (nothing for a while) . . . . . others. But this is exactly how Peart fans depict him, which is plain nonsense. I have a certain dislike for the man nevertheless because he is at least partly responsible for the hype about him.

I looked at that poll but hardly knew the drummers there so couldnt vote really - Palmer or Bruford I would have voted though or even Alan White.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

then may be even er.... Peart. (ducks for cover)

Edited by AtomicCrimsonRush - January 09 2011 at 02:20

Catcher10 wrote: BaldJean wrote:  as to the poll you mentioned: she has already done that, with very little feedback, or rather with no votes at all for the little known drummers http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=55755&KW=drum+poll&PID=3153953&title=a-different-kind-of-drum-poll#3153953   I dont remember this poll but alas I am a dumb-dumb as I don't know any of them........so sorry.

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leonakita wrote: Neil is a great power drummer !  His name almost always come up in a TOP 10 query.  He, like Carl Palmer, I feel for the most part, lacks the nuances for softer passages requiring restraint where  percussion is intended to enhance the sound with a subtleness. That being said.... there isn't very much subtle about RUSH.  He is a power drummer in a power band, and is indeed one of my favorite drummers as well, but I'd pick Simon Phillips over him in a more restrained venue that calls for a technical drummer with a softer feel and delivery.  Finally... I wish to god he would lose that GOOBER PYLE headband he wears ..it looks utterly ridiculous!