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I can't wait until I get to pay for the medical bills of people like that.

"I want to set a precedent so no one else has to get to the same size-", Really? Then I think you set the wrong precedent by eating 20,000 calories a day and not properly exercising.

If you wanted to send a message you would go to the press. Write a book. Set up a campaign. You wouldn't have to sue to put a big fat paycheck in your pocket. What a fraud.
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http://www.dailyexpress.co.uk/posts/view/221734/Britain-s-fattest-man-blames-the-NHS-for-his-obesity/
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Points: 15784 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 06 2011 at 07:40
They would be able to do what the police do currently. So can I. The difference is that its legal when the police do it, and its illegal when I do it. The change I'm suggesting would generate a society where no action is both legitimate or illegitimate when performed by two different parties. The only thing that would be judged is the action.


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Points: 16715 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 05 2011 at 20:46
This is going too far back for me to bother to find the quote, but Pat, it is true that most of the time you're screwed if you're on the receiving end of police brutality. However, I don't see how a private police force would be intrinsically better because they would either be essentially powerless or be able to do what the police do currently. 

But what I really came here to post was CONSPIRACY THEORIES
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Points: 15784 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 05 2011 at 20:30
I was implying that democrats support illegal citizenship solely to take advantage of the way that they vote.

Of course voting Republican is no better. 
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^Oh yes, like voting republican was so much better, even from a libertarian point or view. Handing the power to a few corporations instead of the government is not much better.

Anyway, I'm not that sure anymore...
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Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

I'm legal, so legal am I that your government is in the process of granting me the right to vote for its expansion! 

The waterboarding offer, though, sounds like fun, especially if it's done while I use some of that stuff that I smuggled through the border.. Good old masochistic-socialistic self-pleasuring... 


Of course they will, you're going to vote democrat!
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Originally posted by akamaisondufromage akamaisondufromage wrote:

Presumably, there would be no such thing as an illegal (Alien) Immigrant in your Libertarian (Anarchist non chocolate icecream) society?


I've been an anarchist at heart for awhile now. Recently, I've stopped running from it, and I've started to devote a lot of time towards it. I'm very happy with my position now.

To answer you question then, since I don't believe in a government, there would be no notion of citizenship. Thus there would be no such thing as an illegal alien.

Even in a minimal state libertarian society, I'm really not sure that the government could be justified in denying entry to its lands. I don't think the idea of a illegal alien is valid their either.
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Presumably, there would be no such thing as an illegal (Alien) Immigrant in your Libertarian (Anarchist non chocolate icecream) society?

Edited by akamaisondufromage - January 05 2011 at 14:11
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I'm legal, so legal am I that your government is in the process of granting me the right to vote for its expansion! 

The waterboarding offer, though, sounds like fun, especially if it's done while I use some of that stuff that I smuggled through the border.. Good old masochistic-socialistic self-pleasuring... 
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Oh so you're an illegal immigrant?

I hope the CIA waterboards you for information about your drug smuggling/gang warfare before deporting you.
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Points: 17493 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 05 2011 at 14:02
Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

i have to re-listen to it again after work. The man's accent is terrible and i have to really try to understand everything.  It seems to make sense though. 


Xenophobe.

If you ever heard me talking in English, you'd probably consider me russian or jew or something else, everybody wonders at how weird my accent sounds... 

I just voicing my opinion before they write a law to stop me from criticizing accents on the internets, but hey, I've suffered it, I've earned my right!  
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Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

i have to re-listen to it again after work. The man's accent is terrible and i have to really try to understand everything.  It seems to make sense though. 


Xenophobe.
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Points: 17493 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 05 2011 at 13:51
i have to re-listen to it again after work. The man's accent is terrible and i have to really try to understand everything.  It seems to make sense though. 
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Points: 31169 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 05 2011 at 09:03
Great clip, thanks MoM
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That's the argument, from the same man, which converted me from socialism so long ago. I wish I hadn't of taken a foray through conservatism to get where I am now from where I was then though.
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Originally posted by The T The T wrote:


Cue to Manofmystery: "People have been so indoctrinated to think that certain activities can't be performed properly by anyone other than the government that they can't even imagine something different" (end of predictive-quote. Note the absence of an actual alternative. Lucky Mom, Pat is always there to supply the arguments)
 
I do tend to get bored arguing and just go out or play TF2.  In my laziness I do tend to let Pat do most of the heavy lifting but, in my defense, he does do a really fine job. Tongue
Besides, if you happen to be busy for a day or two this thread moves past you.
 
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:


Or maybe, as Mom would say, I'm a prisoner of a mental schema engraved in my mind since I was but a slave fetus...
 
Hey, what do you want from me?  The public perceptions about the roll of government and the power it is actual granted are miles apart.  This is why agences, such as the TSA and FCC, feel they can simply act without having to deal with the legislative process or any of that Constitution mumbo jumbo.
 
I do sound like a broken record when it comes to the perceptions of a government's capability to meet the public's needs vs free market capability but....you know what, Hayek says it better:


Edited by manofmystery - January 05 2011 at 01:39


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Points: 64 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 04 2011 at 19:44
Hi all!

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You can listen to the entire album - and get 3 free downloads here: http://bensommer.com/splash.

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Points: 15784 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 04 2011 at 12:32
I'm not sure I know what impartiality means in this situation? Like is the coping going to beat someone to a pulp? Is that what you expect to happen? If you could elucidate this point I'd be interested in discussing it.

As one who's been a part of many neighbor and domestic dispute cop calls here's how the police usually handle it:
Cop: "What's going on here."
Person A: "I'm yelling my side at you."
Person B: "I'm yelling my side at you."
Cop: "Look I can either leave or I can file a report. If I file a report I'm going to have to arrest both of you. Now we don't want that so I'm going to leave. If you call again I'm going to have to arrest someone."




Edited by Equality 7-2521 - January 04 2011 at 12:33
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Points: 17493 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 04 2011 at 12:27
Statistics show that cops handle domestic and neighbor disputes even more than they do violent crimes. So let's say there is a case of a situation where cops are called by person X, who pays for the service monthly. Person Y doesn't. How impartial will this cop be when he arrives? Rob has thought of many scenarios I never though of, and he voiced already most of my concerns with this hypothetical private system. Unless you work the entire thing perfectly and make the option something actually viable, it still fails to convince me, and I can read that pretty much everybody but your padawan Mom.

It's good to plant the philosophical/hypothetical seed of doubt though, if only to entertain the option and maybe discard it for its terrible problems.
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