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Prog Geo 
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 Posted: January 05 2011 at 08:22 |
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I think that all the big bands are overrated.But sometimes the big fame is normal.Genesis is a musical treasure(and generally Prog rock/metal).And that happens with something(really)important.Ok,that's excessive but you get my point.
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Nathaniel607
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Posted: January 05 2011 at 08:32 |
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I agree. It's not even a matter of if they're bad or not. They just seem overrated in comparison to other bands. Sure, they were influential, but that's all they seem to have over a lot of superior bands.
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Posted: January 05 2011 at 08:39 |
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TODDLER has said it. There are so very many reasons to like Genesis but you seem to have never found any of them. Also, I noted that your post talks about one limited aspect of Collin's technique (and which overlooks perhaps his beautiful display on the second half of Cinema Show...how came that fusion monster from Brand X to possess so much control and delicacy!) or Gabriel's voice or Banks's melotron. I am not saying they cannot be irritants for a listener but I was much too swept away by their myriad compositional twists to notice and I think most Genesis fans would agree with this. Lastly, yes, they are pretty and they don't kick up a storm but that is not a flaw and that does not make them overrated. It only means they have to be paid a little more attention to than say Yes or ELP to derive pleasure from.
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Posted: January 05 2011 at 08:52 |
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Secondly, and feel free to offer a different thought on this, I find Gabriel's voice to be almost...cringeworthy. Sorry, but it's really unpleasant to listen to. |
Paula Cole thought the same way and expressed that in between songs from a live bootleg concert I once owned. She is a great singer and has the most unbelievable wide range and control in the world. I personally believe her viewpoints of Gabriel are an inner sarcastic reaction to all the lousy things the industry asks her to do and then, suddenly along comes this guy Gabriel to work with her and ......it's like he has all this respect, worship, history, etc, and he doesn't truly have a great voice.
Foxtrot revealed itself to a generation of "Glitter Rockers" because of the costumes, the theatrics, etc; Gabriel was on the front of "Hit Parader", "Circus", and other rock magazines like Bowie and T. Rex were. Gabriel was more like a storyteller with his voice. A poet with not an amazing vocal ability but, the talent for reciting poetic themes. I'm surprised that he didn't eventually become an Anthony Hopkins type. Gabriel was wonderful at play acting. The deepness of his voice left an impression regarding the sound leaked through as the story was being told. Phil Collins had a more well trained sounding voice but could never express that screaming and deepness at the closing of "Supper's Ready". Peter Gabriel knew how to project a soulful deepness. Quite like a Rock singer sometimes more so than a folk/prog style vocalist. He didn't by any means have an amazing vocal range....however he substituted story telling, poetry, play acting, for his lack in that area.
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Posted: January 05 2011 at 08:59 |
Oh Gosh !
A different opinion on my favorite band...
As tastes and likes are universally different, I understand Genesis music not being the no-1 for everbody.
I will go with what the 70's-Genesis has brought to me.
I like the various time signatures on their songs, such as 4/4, 5/8, 7/8, 13/16 I have seen on a single musical page; the changes in tones and keys, and the capability of coming back to the first tone, without losing the main musical theme; the magic of Hackett and (more) Banks play, with great versatility; the very complex musicality of a song; the great diversity from one song to another; sometimes, the intensity of certain passages (Firth of Fifth, Musical Box, Mad Man Moon...).
I personally see Lamb lies Down as weaker, but those from 1970 to 1976 are top-notch in those aspects.
Since I am learning (and adapting) Genesis songs on a keyboard (about 25 up to date), I know what kind of complex music they have written, and mostly how inspired they were in those years. They have created a result that is known to be one of the best reference, musically speaking. And I join this referencing easily.
I don't get those feelings with the music of Pink Floyd and King Crimson, which are more guitar-oriented. And like the one who started this subject, I transpose his taste on those groups : I don't understand, musically speaking, how those groups of Floyd and Crimson get the high scorings !! I never get musical thrills, as described in the 2nd paragraph, with those musics. I see no one of those musical features in the music of those groups. I would say Dark Side of the Moon (P. Floyd) could be an exception, because of the overall feeling, but the rest ??? Only guitar rythms and impros; this does not do the job for me...
A lot of actual prog groups like to perform Genesis music in live-shows, because of the challenge (still musically speaking), and because that music is icon !
I'm sure others can elaborate on the MUSIC complexity of Genesis-70's. That's where they have reached me.
Not overrated !
DB
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Posted: January 05 2011 at 09:15 |
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Posted: January 05 2011 at 09:20 |
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I love Foxtrot and Wind & Wuthering, and kinda like The Lamb, but I just don't get their other albums.
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Posted: January 05 2011 at 09:31 |
Answer to the question - no. If I were feeling really stroppy this afternoon, I would at this point advise the OP to turn on his TV and watch England give his home nation a thoroughly good stuffing in the Ashes series. That's if I was in a bad mood and also cruel enough. As it is, I won't because I have good friends on the site from Oz 
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Posted: January 05 2011 at 09:33 |
lazland wrote:
Answer to the question - no.
If I were feeling really stroppy this afternoon, I would at this point advise the OP to turn on his TV and watch England give his home nation a thoroughly good stuffing in the Ashes series. That's if I was in a bad mood and also cruel enough. As it is, I won't because I have good friends on the site from Oz
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I have friends from Aus.
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Posted: January 05 2011 at 09:35 |
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Posted: January 05 2011 at 09:35 |
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I know what I like ...............................(IN YOUR WARDROBE)
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Posted: January 05 2011 at 10:11 |
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Love Genesis---mostly---maybe the early stuff is too British for you. What prog do you love?
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Posted: January 05 2011 at 10:36 |
I don't love them myself, though they have their moments of brilliance. Just don't worry, it's OK to not worship any of the sacred cows - no one here will tar and feather you.
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Posted: January 05 2011 at 10:39 |
Padraic wrote:
I don't love them myself, though they have their moments of brilliance. Just don't worry, it's OK to not worship any of the sacred cows - no one here will tar and feather you. |
Well Ivan might. Considering his undying love for Genesis and his undying hatred for the word "overrated". 
*waits for Ivan to see the thread*
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Posted: January 05 2011 at 10:47 |
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for that I need more pop-corn and a diet coke
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Posted: January 05 2011 at 10:56 |
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I assume Ivan hasn't responded yet because his head exploded halfway through the OP.
No they're not. I love Collin's drumming and Gabriel's voice. They're a top 50 band of all time for me.
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Posted: January 05 2011 at 11:01 |
lazland wrote:
If I were feeling really stroppy this afternoon, I would at this point advise the OP to turn on his TV and watch England give his home nation a thoroughly good stuffing in the Ashes series |
Dammit Laz, you got there before me  ; he's just taking it out on a high profile English band in a fit of pique caused by the damned good thrashing meted out by our chaps
Seriously though - there are many bands (whole genres, even) I just don't get. Bottom line, don't stress over it, just move on to those you do like.
By the way:
NO THEY'RE NOT OVER RATED, GABRIEL ERA GENESIS ARE WONDERFUL & LOVELY, YAH BOO SHUCKS & NO RETURNS.
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Posted: January 05 2011 at 11:41 |
sarge wrote:
Revan wrote:
I don't even know what to say to you |
Then maybe I need to clarify myself. Or better yet, try re-reading my post with a 'I don't know what band you guys are listening to but it sure can't be the same mediocre dribble i've just had running through my ears' kind of tone. |
Well, I was a huge Genesis fan back in the days, but nowadays I maybe inclined to say their music is not that interesting anymore. But anyway, the band is maybe still important as a "stepping stone" (or if I dare to say) a gateway from more conventional rock to the more experimental. Genesis is important maybe for the fact that not many goes from let's say straight from Beatles to Henry Cow.
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Posted: January 05 2011 at 12:27 |
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Well, I've listened to prog for about three years, but started to like Genesis few months ago. I listened to them regularly, but they just didn't sink in. Before now. And now, well, they are amongst my top5.
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Posted: January 05 2011 at 12:31 |
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When I heard Genesis Live the first time, it was love at first listen. They just had everything I loved about music at the time (21 years old). Over the years of listening, I have found that for a critical listener (I am a musician as well) there are flaws to be found. I don't much care for the studio version of Supper's Ready, but only because it sounds like it was stitched together in the studio (which it pretty much was). Sections sound very different from each other in many ways. Live, however, the song is a killer epic piece that just gets me every time. Collins was a brilliant drummer in those days, very interesting and innovative in ways that only 70's drummers seem to have been able to manage. Also, I've always liked Gabriel's voice, but could easily see how some might be put off by it, especially if they are used to more "skilled" and "professional" delivery (something we hear a lot in modern prog, but often seems drained of emotion to me, for all the technical skill applied).
If anything, early Genesis is terribly underrated. At least, compared to the wildly popular version of the band in the 80's and 90's. I for one was completely surprised to discover that Gabriel used to be their singer and that they played a more complex and adventurous style of music in the 70's (though in all honesty, the roots of their pop stardom are plainly evident, even in the most "prog" of their numbers like Supper's Ready, Cinema Show, Firth of Fifth, etc.).
But as everyone else has said, don't worry about it. Move on. Listen to what you like. I can think of several bands that seem quite popular here that I find quite dull and uninteresting (cough*Marillion*cough.........as one example). However, I don't assume that because I don't like something it must therefore be "overrated". Just consider that the vast majority of the music listening public likes things like Lady Gaga and Justin Beiber (shudder), in far larger numbers than anyone likes just about any band here (aside from the obvious, like the Beatles, Floyd, Zeppelin, etc.).
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