Clean Vocals or Death Growl? (Modern Prog)

It has taken me a while to appreciate most Cookie Monster vocals but with the loving care and help from those nice chaps in Opeth and Meshuggah, I feel that I can appreciate the aesthetic at last.  

I hated growls for a long time...some of them are still terrible, but they can work in certain places.

thats what i was trying to say. Saying electric guitar lacks artistic merit / takes no skill to play is just like saying growling or screaming or scatting (mike patton) takes no skill and lacks artistic merit.

keiser willhelm wrote: thats what i was trying to say. Saying electric guitar lacks artistic merit / takes no skill to play is just like saying growling or screaming or scatting (mike patton) takes no skill and lacks artistic merit.

I f you meant my comment, I was joking. Fripp, Hendrix, Howe etc are masters and innovators. They even came up with some decent songs!

But the growl is pretty limited. It's there for teenage buyers who are either so stupid they buy into that or thought to be stupid that they will buy into it. The variety of content is limited.

Anyway playing guitar hoping FX obscures bad playing doesn't work. FX highlights mistakes and sometimes exaggerates them. The scope and range of guitar players on elctric is huge. Al Di Meola, Zappa, the master of undistorted heavy guitar Page...

What's happened is that rock music has been well overtaken by technology. Rock when ambitious is deemed pretentios. So when you get  alot of unambitious rock acts trying not to be pretentious you get a bunch of clones. Then they get sl*g.ed for that as well (if anyone notices...)

Once upon a time I taped every veriosn of Train kept A riollin' from Aerssmith, yardbirds Zeppelin etc I could find. And Motorhead. It was played at a party and no one mentioned they thought they were hearing the same song for an hour. I wasnt there but the music guy (tape DJ) was waiting. It seems to be very easy to fool general public. (Oo-er that's elitist innit and therefore a bad thing!) Toughski. Just look at the public "need" for same-ness in top 40 situations. Do wes till have that? Any hit pop song would get downloaded for free so why bother making 'em...

Wanorak wrote: Clean all the way for me:) I think Opeth would be amazing if Akerfeld sang cleanly! I can't take the cookie monster growls seriously and it ruins the music.

keiser willhelm wrote:   This thread started out mocking not just the GROWL but the whole range of stuff, from boris the spider (seriously?) to symphony x. I think its a valid comparison - distorted voice distorted instrument. Its not perfect, but the non-nonsensical bashing of the death growl is comparable to a nonsensical bashing of the distorted guitar. its just silly and uninformed. Pretentious bashing of harsh vocals, which have their place whether or not you like them, is equally silly.

New guy's opinion, anyone?

shaan123 wrote: hello,make healthy  voice.make healthy throat

There are techniques for doing growls.So,don't worry.Also the growls are great.

Before a long time I would like to write something that Akerfeldt had said on Classic rock presents prog about fans of Opeth that don't like growls.Finally I decided to write it.

Akerfeldt[smiling]:If they don't like it then they are pussies.

Clean vocals. I can't understand why someone would take the time and effort to write the lyrics only to have then where they cannot be understood. That's just me. If you want to growl then just play the music and don't sing.