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Juan Carlos de Mulde 
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 Topic: electroacoustic Music (electronic Music)Posted: December 08 2010 at 17:03 |
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Whats your opinion about electroacoustic music with its subgenres musique concrete, tape music or live electronic for example.... Are here any prog devotees, who are also listening to this ambient and experimental music?
A similiar prog related example for this is the electronic music of Tangerine Dream and Klaus Schulze. For interested parties, I want to give some examples: Karlheinz Stockhausen (Studio für elektronische Musik Cologne) - Oktophonie (1991) Karlheinz Stockhausen (Studio für elektronische Musik Cologne) - Mikrophonie (1964) Otto Luening (Tape music New York) - Low Speed (1952) Ludger Brümmer (ZKM Karlsruhe) - The Gates Of H. (1993) Pierre Schaeffer (musique concrete Paris) - Etude Noire (1948) ------------------------- For those, who are not familiar with Tangerine Dream and Klaus Schulze: Tangerine Dream - Rubycon (1975) Klaus Schulze - Velvet Voyage (1977) -------------------------------- I hope for a lively discussion or to inspire someone to new music... greetz
Edited by Juan Carlos de Mulde - December 18 2010 at 09:40 |
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avestin
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Posted: December 08 2010 at 17:16 |
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Hi Juan
I started listening to this music about 2-3 years ago starting with INA GRM's artists, like Schaeffer and other such as Ferari, Dhomont, Parmegiani, Bayle, Dumitrescu and others. I had a thread on it here: I will post later with some of the recordings I have and love. |
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Juan Carlos de Mulde
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Posted: December 08 2010 at 17:25 |
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Ah ok, I searched for electroacoustic and not for electro-acoustic....
What`s your opinion about Francois Bayle? Today I was on a concert with him, where we heard the compositions Théâtre d’Ombres (1988) Espaces inhabitables (1967)and
Rien n’est réel (2009-10) It was a very nice experience. But tommorow I'm going to a concert from Ludger Brümmer. His work is a real masterpiece... check it out ;-) |
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WalterDigsTunes
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Posted: December 08 2010 at 17:43 |
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Y'all might dig this: http://www.fondation-langlois.org/html/e/page.php?NumPage=556
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avestin
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Posted: December 08 2010 at 17:44 |
I'll check Ludger Brümmer out, I don't know him. As for Bayle, I haven't heard these works you mention, and I honestly don't remember their names right now off-hand (still at work, and am trying to remember other details at the moment, pertinent to doing my experiments...  ). Also, I have the INA GRM boxset with pieces from various composers, a very interesting anthology depicting the development of this movement. I have the Parmegiani boxset with most of his output which while I am still going through it (requires a lot of time and attention), has stunning pieces. Also, I like the Frankenstein Symphony by Dhomont. I also like a lot Annie Gosfield's work; have her three releases, of which the most related is Flying Sparks and Heavy Machinery. And last, I have the Ferari boxset (yes, another one) which has its highs and lows, but overall satisfying. I'll elaborate more later, I need to continue something here in the lab |
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Juan Carlos de Mulde
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Posted: December 09 2010 at 16:55 |
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I'm not so familiar with the work of Francois Bayle, maybe you can give me some recommendations.
Where can I get the INA GRM Boxset? Do you have a link for amazon or sth else?
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Apsalar
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Posted: December 10 2010 at 03:52 |
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Juan re: the INA GRM Boxset, since you're in Köln it might be worthwhile heading down A-muisk http://www.a-musik.com/. They'd likely have it on-shelf. I think they might have last time I was there.
Some stuff new to me this year.. My highest recommendation goes out to Jean-Cluade Eloy's gauk-no-michi which is my pick for re-releases this year. Finally remastered by the man himself in its 4hour entirety. Up there with the best Parmegiani imo. http://www.mimaroglumusicsales.com/artists/jean-claude+eloy.html its the second release down... a little pricey. Eliane Radigue maybe more under the drone banner, but uses a good ol' ARP synthesizer and studied under Pierre Henry. Really like this one: http://www.dustedmagazine.com/reviews/412 |
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: December 12 2010 at 11:08 |
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I love Stockhausen, Varese, Babbitt, and Reich's early tape work.
I can't say I've really explored the genre that much, or have a great idea of what exactly defines the genre.
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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Juan Carlos de Mulde
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Posted: December 18 2010 at 09:38 |
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@Apsalar: thx for the recommendation of Jean Claude Eloy. I've got the shanti Album, because I like these clustersounds in that excerpt. Yes, It is f**kin pricely, but there are some other ways to get music, however I prefer the way of "buying music on a medium".
@Equality 7-2521: Listen to the youtube Videos I've listed on top of this topic, maybe you can hear sth. you like. I want to add some more good examples, I guess: |
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CPicard
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Posted: December 18 2010 at 12:21 |
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Tomorrow, in Paris, the Qwartz MiniMarket will "launch" various interesting releases: a LP 33rpm anthology of Pierre Schaeffer's works, a CD+book boxset of the same artist and a video for composer Jean-Baptiste Ayoub.
Bernard Parmegiani and Pierre Henry will be there, signing their CD/albums/boxsets... There are also 3 mini-concerts by David Chazam, Hypo & EDH and Sir Alice/Colin Ledoux. |
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Chigurh
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Posted: December 20 2010 at 15:49 |
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I like Parmeggiani's work a lot.
Particularly, i prefer music involving "real" instruments and electronics. Check out Saariaho, for more actual (and amazing) stuff. |
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Juan Carlos de Mulde
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Posted: December 21 2010 at 09:55 |
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...but with real instruments it isnt electro-acoustic.
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: December 21 2010 at 10:01 |
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As opposed to imagined instruments?
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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The T
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Posted: December 21 2010 at 11:32 |
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I guess he means instruments where something is actually vibrating to produce sound and it's not just generated electronically...
Though composers like Stockhause didn't limit themselves in that way. Maybe the other ones did but Varese, Stockhausen, Reich... They're actual composers who happen to have experimented with electronics, they don't make just electroacoustic music. |
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TODDLER
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Posted: December 21 2010 at 11:36 |
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Electroacoustic music I have a great appreciation for but unfortunately haven't collected quite enough of it. One of my favorite Klaus Schulze pieces which gives representation of that style is "Sebastian im Traum". One piece in particular that I find myself playing frequently is Edgar Varese's "Poeme Electronique" for tape. One day I hope to hear Luening's "Gargoyles for violin and tape".
Leon Kirchner's "String Quartet No. 3 for strings and tape" gets my vote. I have also enjoyed the electronic works of Pauline Oliveros. Oliveros, Subotnick, and Sender formed the San Francisco Tape Music Center. Many times I find myself drifting away from electroacoustic style and listening more to the usage of real instruments. For example....Harry Partch's "The Bewitched" which is dance-satire for voices & large ensemble. Edited by TODDLER - December 21 2010 at 11:40 |
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: December 21 2010 at 11:43 |
I know what he means. It just irks me when people call electronics fake or marginalizes them in some manner. |
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: December 21 2010 at 11:44 |
I don't know much about her tape works, but Pauline Oliveros needs some recognition. She's fantastic. |
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The T
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Posted: December 21 2010 at 12:47 |
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^^I know you know what it means, but I thought you would know I know that you know while he really didn't know you know. Now he knows.
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: December 21 2010 at 12:50 |
It's good to be in the know. |
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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Henry Plainview
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Posted: December 21 2010 at 14:18 |
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I would not consider Tangerine Dream and Klaus Schulze electroacoustic, but I apparently have no idea what is going on because Wikipedia says that electroacoustic music needs to have no obvious human performer and that's not the case for the music I think of as electroacoustic on the improvisation side, like AMM, MIMEO, The BSC, Kevin Drumm, etc. But I also don't have a clear boundary between electroacoustic improvisation and noise, so I have no idea.
Anyway though, I recommend MIMEO's Hands of Caravaggio to everyone in this thread. More discussion of eai is probably off-topic so I will refrain.
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