electroacoustic Music (electronic Music)
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Topic: electroacoustic Music (electronic Music)
Posted By: Juan Carlos de Mulde
Subject: electroacoustic Music (electronic Music)
Date Posted: December 08 2010 at 17:03
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Whats your opinion about electroacoustic music with its subgenres musique concrete, tape music or live electronic for example.... Are here any prog devotees, who are also listening to this ambient and experimental music? A similiar prog related example for this is the electronic music of Tangerine Dream and Klaus Schulze. ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electroacoustic_music" rel="nofollow - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electroacoustic_music ) For interested parties, I want to give some examples: Karlheinz Stockhausen (Studio für elektronische Musik Cologne) - Oktophonie (1991) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcvTUNWYtW8" rel="nofollow - Karlheinz Stockhausen (Studio für elektronische Musik Cologne) - Mikrophonie (1964) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNt6a5xFOnE&feature=related" rel="nofollow - Otto Luening (Tape music New York) - Low Speed (1952) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Axwf6hVUnoI" rel="nofollow - Ludger Brümmer (ZKM Karlsruhe) - The Gates Of H. (1993) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5_9cdHTics&feature=related" rel="nofollow - Pierre Schaeffer (musique concrete Paris) - Etude Noire (1948) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oBcM1xxmeQ" rel="nofollow - ------------------------- For those, who are not familiar with Tangerine Dream and Klaus Schulze: Tangerine Dream - Rubycon (1975) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mU91a0u9-6E&feature=related" rel="nofollow - Klaus Schulze - Velvet Voyage (1977) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7D6UqNq4wo" rel="nofollow - -------------------------------- I hope for a lively discussion or to inspire someone to new music... greetz
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Posted By: avestin
Date Posted: December 08 2010 at 17:16
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Hi Juan I started listening to this music about 2-3 years ago starting with INA GRM's artists, like Schaeffer and other such as Ferari, Dhomont, Parmegiani, Bayle, Dumitrescu and others. I had a thread on it here: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=46948&KW=electro%2Dacoustic&title=electroacoustic-music" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=46948&KW=electro%2Dacoustic&title=electroacoustic-music" rel="nofollow - Electro-Acoustic http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=46948&KW=electro%2Dacoustic&title=electroacoustic-music" rel="nofollow - Music I will post later with some of the recordings I have and love. ------------- http://hangingsounds.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow - Hanging Sounds http://www.progarchives.com/ProgRockShopping.asp" rel="nofollow - PA Index of prog music vendors |
Posted By: Juan Carlos de Mulde
Date Posted: December 08 2010 at 17:25
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Ah ok, I searched for electroacoustic and not for electro-acoustic.... What`s your opinion about Francois Bayle? Today I was on a concert with him, where we heard the compositions Théâtre d’Ombres (1988) Espaces inhabitables (1967)and
Rien n’est réel (2009-10) It was a very nice experience. But tommorow I'm going to a concert from Ludger Brümmer. His work is a real masterpiece... check it out ;-) ------------- http://www.lastfm.de/user/SSsebastian/?chartstyle=SidebarPlain" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: WalterDigsTunes
Date Posted: December 08 2010 at 17:43
| Y'all might dig this: http://www.fondation-langlois.org/html/e/page.php?NumPage=556" rel="nofollow - http://www.fondation-langlois.org/html/e/page.php?NumPage=556 |
Posted By: avestin
Date Posted: December 08 2010 at 17:44
I'll check Ludger Brümmer out, I don't know him. As for Bayle, I haven't heard these works you mention, and I honestly don't remember their names right now off-hand (still at work, and am trying to remember other details at the moment, pertinent to doing my experiments...  ). Also, I have the INA GRM boxset with pieces from various composers, a very interesting anthology depicting the development of this movement. I have the Parmegiani boxset with most of his output which while I am still going through it (requires a lot of time and attention), has stunning pieces. Also, I like the Frankenstein Symphony by Dhomont. I also like a lot Annie Gosfield's work; have her three releases, of which the most related is Flying Sparks and Heavy Machinery. And last, I have the Ferari boxset (yes, another one) which has its highs and lows, but overall satisfying. I'll elaborate more later, I need to continue something here in the lab ------------- http://hangingsounds.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow - Hanging Sounds http://www.progarchives.com/ProgRockShopping.asp" rel="nofollow - PA Index of prog music vendors |
Juan Carlos de Mulde wrote:Posted By: Juan Carlos de Mulde
Date Posted: December 09 2010 at 16:55
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I'm not so familiar with the work of Francois Bayle, maybe you can give me some recommendations. Where can I get the INA GRM Boxset? Do you have a link for amazon or sth else? ------------- http://www.lastfm.de/user/SSsebastian/?chartstyle=SidebarPlain" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Apsalar
Date Posted: December 10 2010 at 03:52
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Juan re: the INA GRM Boxset, since you're in Köln it might be worthwhile heading down A-muisk http://www.a-musik.com/" rel="nofollow - http://www.a-musik.com/ . They'd likely have it on-shelf. I think they might have last time I was there. Some stuff new to me this year.. My highest recommendation goes out to Jean-Cluade Eloy's gauk-no-michi which is my pick for re-releases this year. Finally remastered by the man himself in its 4hour entirety. Up there with the best Parmegiani imo. http://www.mimaroglumusicsales.com/artists/jean-claude+eloy.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.mimaroglumusicsales.com/artists/jean-claude+eloy.html its the second release down... a little pricey. Eliane Radigue maybe more under the drone banner, but uses a good ol' ARP synthesizer and studied under Pierre Henry. Really like this one: http://www.dustedmagazine.com/reviews/412" rel="nofollow - http://www.dustedmagazine.com/reviews/412 |
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: December 12 2010 at 11:08
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I love Stockhausen, Varese, Babbitt, and Reich's early tape work. I can't say I've really explored the genre that much, or have a great idea of what exactly defines the genre. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: Juan Carlos de Mulde
Date Posted: December 18 2010 at 09:38
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@Apsalar: thx for the recommendation of Jean Claude Eloy. I've got the shanti Album, because I like these clustersounds in that excerpt. Yes, It is f**kin pricely, but there are some other ways to get music, however I prefer the way of "buying music on a medium".
@Equality 7-2521: Listen to the youtube Videos I've listed on top of this topic, maybe you can hear sth. you like. I want to add some more good examples, I guess: ------------- http://www.lastfm.de/user/SSsebastian/?chartstyle=SidebarPlain" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: December 18 2010 at 12:21
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Tomorrow, in Paris, the Qwartz MiniMarket will "launch" various interesting releases: a LP 33rpm anthology of Pierre Schaeffer's works, a CD+book boxset of the same artist and a video for composer Jean-Baptiste Ayoub. Bernard Parmegiani and Pierre Henry will be there, signing their CD/albums/boxsets... There are also 3 mini-concerts by David Chazam, Hypo & EDH and Sir Alice/Colin Ledoux. |
Posted By: Chigurh
Date Posted: December 20 2010 at 15:49
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I like Parmeggiani's work a lot. Particularly, i prefer music involving "real" instruments and electronics. Check out Saariaho, for more actual (and amazing) stuff. |
Posted By: Juan Carlos de Mulde
Date Posted: December 21 2010 at 09:55
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...but with real instruments it isnt electro-acoustic.
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Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: December 21 2010 at 10:01
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As opposed to imagined instruments?
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: December 21 2010 at 11:32
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I guess he means instruments where something is actually vibrating to produce sound and it's not just generated electronically...
Though composers like Stockhause didn't limit themselves in that way. Maybe the other ones did but Varese, Stockhausen, Reich... They're actual composers who happen to have experimented with electronics, they don't make just electroacoustic music. ------------- 
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Posted By: TODDLER
Date Posted: December 21 2010 at 11:36
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Electroacoustic music I have a great appreciation for but unfortunately haven't collected quite enough of it. One of my favorite Klaus Schulze pieces which gives representation of that style is "Sebastian im Traum". One piece in particular that I find myself playing frequently is Edgar Varese's "Poeme Electronique" for tape. One day I hope to hear Luening's "Gargoyles for violin and tape".
Leon Kirchner's "String Quartet No. 3 for strings and tape" gets my vote. I have also enjoyed the electronic works of Pauline Oliveros. Oliveros, Subotnick, and Sender formed the San Francisco Tape Music Center. Many times I find myself drifting away from electroacoustic style and listening more to the usage of real instruments. For example....Harry Partch's "The Bewitched" which is dance-satire for voices & large ensemble. |
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: December 21 2010 at 11:43
I know what he means. It just irks me when people call electronics fake or marginalizes them in some manner. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: December 21 2010 at 11:44
I don't know much about her tape works, but Pauline Oliveros needs some recognition. She's fantastic. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: December 21 2010 at 12:47
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^^I know you know what it means, but I thought you would know I know that you know while he really didn't know you know. Now he knows. -------------
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Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: December 21 2010 at 12:50
It's good to be in the know. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: December 21 2010 at 14:18
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I would not consider Tangerine Dream and Klaus Schulze electroacoustic, but I apparently have no idea what is going on because Wikipedia says that electroacoustic music needs to have no obvious human performer and that's not the case for the music I think of as electroacoustic on the improvisation side, like AMM, MIMEO, The BSC, Kevin Drumm, etc. But I also don't have a clear boundary between electroacoustic improvisation and noise, so I have no idea. Anyway though, I recommend MIMEO's Hands of Caravaggio to everyone in this thread. More discussion of eai is probably off-topic so I will refrain. ------------- if you own a sodastream i hate you |
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: December 21 2010 at 14:43
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Let's just make this thread about Stockhausen and stop worrying about what the hell electroacoustic means.
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Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: December 21 2010 at 15:35
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I have been meaning to get this Xenakis piece for a while but I have to restrain myself from buying any new music for quite some time and I never got into keeping a list so I'm always forgetting and remembering things I was interested in. ------------- if you own a sodastream i hate you |
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: December 21 2010 at 21:14
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Xenakis did some pure genius stuff for strings, but I'm not a huge fan of his electronic stuff. That was cool though. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: December 22 2010 at 15:41
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Percussion stuff too, Shields... -------------
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Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: December 22 2010 at 16:19
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The list was not meant to be inclusive my good man. Like any great composer he was hardly a one trick pony. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: December 22 2010 at 17:44
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Hi,
I think I need to do some homework, and stop listening to that metal stuff ... it's grinding my ear hairs now!
... have fallen behind on some of these. Stockhausen, however, is not one of those that I can enjoy much or appreciated in the past, or Heinemann. Do remember that those folks were teaching in a famous school in Germany that gave us a massive amount of musicians that we consider "progressive" these days ... and they did the same thing in the confines of jazz and rock --- which we still do not credit krautrock for, specially when some of it came from this stuff and people.
But yeah .. things like Audentity, stands by me as one of my favorite albums by KS ... and Sebastian in Traum is by far one of my favorite pieces ... but this stuff is so far out and away from this metal and prog crap conversation around here ... that it is scary sometimes.
But now you know why Tangerine Dream and KS are so big in my collection! ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: TODDLER
Date Posted: December 23 2010 at 08:24
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Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: December 23 2010 at 09:07
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There's quite a few of us. I mean he's one of the most respected 20th century composers, and has a few million listens on last.fm. George Crumb has quite a bit of recognition due to Black Angels, especially with the Kronos Quartet performing it. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: TODDLER
Date Posted: December 23 2010 at 10:03
Perhaps I'm thinking of the 70's in a dormitory full of jazz/fusion musicians while the 2 fans of 20th century composers lingered in the hallway and were fringe members of their own group. Pointless to bring up I suppose due to the fact that I may have been in the wrong places or by chance the wrong time. The Jazz/Fusion thing was very dominating in the 70's at music college. It is possible I could have missed the boat and only met a total of 3 individuals who educated me to 20th century composers. The music professors I met were not exactly keen on Avant-Garde but much steered toward the music of Mozart or J.S.Bach. I am grateful that members on P.A. are huge fans and I have the opportunity to read their recommendations.
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Posted By: earlyprog
Date Posted: December 24 2010 at 05:17
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I find some of the electronic music made before proto-prog occurred around 1966 to be a kind of pre-space rock. I beleive I have even found traces of Vladimir Ussachecsky's Wireless fantasy for Tape in Pink Floyd's Astronomy Domine. You experts out there, any examples of pre-space rock in electroacoustic music?
Joe Meek also seems to be a bridge between electroacoustic music and pop/rock (space music). Do see any link here?
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Posted By: morpheusdraven
Date Posted: December 28 2010 at 08:52
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While it was progressive rock that primarily allowed me to bridge the gap into more avant-garde forms of music like free jazz, new "art"music and electronic music, I listen to traditional prog much less now that I have discovered some of the further reaching directions of certain bands and composers. While I enjoy a lot of early electronic music, I'm most fond of some of the artists lumped in under the noise banner, as well as instrumentalists performing with electronics, usually some combination of live manipulation and pre-recorded sound. There is a lot of the latter being done by artists lumped in under the banner of jazz, whether in solo or ensemble settings. I find this kind of improvising to be really aggressive but quite rewarding. I am also a bit biased. I make electro-acoustic music myself, primarily focusing on processing of acoustic instruments and voice, so I do have my slant on the issue. |
Posted By: Greenbubbleman
Date Posted: January 01 2011 at 08:15
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Funny enough...Im listening to Tangerine Dream's Ricochet LP right now as I found this thread. . If you are interested in electronically treated acoustic music then I have only two words to type. 'Boulez' and 'Ircam' |
Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: January 01 2011 at 09:32
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WHAT? BOULEZ AND IRCAM??? HA HA HA HA !!!! Er, sorry, I'm a bit extreme in my reaction, but I can tell you that Boulez had never been very much interested in electronic music: he only did a couple of pieces, recorded at the GRM (Groupe de Recherches Musicales) and he even wrote a few texts AGAINST electronic music and musique concrète. The IRCAM may have programmed some electronic pieces at some concerts, but this institution focus rather on written avant-garde music. In France, the story of electronic music revolves mainly around Pierre Schaeffer, Pierre Henry and the whole GRM since its creation in the early 50's. |
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: January 01 2011 at 09:50
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I'm just remembering how amazing Imaginary Landscape by John Cage is. It gets lost in a lot of his other work that I prefer, but it's phenomenal. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: TODDLER
Date Posted: January 01 2011 at 10:47
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I greatly enjoy John Cage's String Quartet In Four Parts. It was composed in 1950.
1. Quietly Flowing Along-Summer 2. Slowly Rocking-Autumn 3. Nearly Stationary-Winter 4. Quodibet-Spring
It's very haunting but also creates some positive spiritual vibe for me personally. During the 80's I would sit on a swing or a park bench and listen to it with headphones. I could spend hours in the park just listening to it till dusk. I feel there is something unexplainable about the impact it had on me when listening to it outdoors. It forces you not to speak but just stare into a patch of woods from the kitchen window. It sounds a little ridiculous I know....but I have, in the past, used String Quartet In Four Parts as a form of escapism. |
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: January 01 2011 at 10:49
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I don't believe I hear it. I'll have to check it out. Is it aleatory in nature? Or is 1950 before Cage really started the chance works like in the later half of the 50s? ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: TODDLER
Date Posted: January 01 2011 at 16:25
It is not completely aleatoric. He stated somewhere along the line that he wanted to compose a work that would praise silence but without actually using it. I found that within itself to be fascinating. He said the work was like the opening of another door and that the possibilities implied were unlimited. I hope I've been of some help. I am not that familiar with the chance works although having heard them decades ago, I intend on purchasing them in the near future.
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Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: January 02 2011 at 08:52
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I just listened. They really are amazing. Probably among the best I've heard from him. It doesn't sound aleatoric. Very melodious actually. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: Baggra
Date Posted: January 02 2011 at 08:59
Ralph Lundsten:
MUMS '67
Elektronisk musik (with Leo Nilson) '68
Tellus. Fågel Blå '69
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Posted By: TODDLER
Date Posted: January 02 2011 at 09:18
Wow! I can't believe you mentioned Ralph Lundsten. I haven't heard anything from this guy since the early 80's. I had this particular electronic piece from him that emulated the sound of clocks. Years later I used to see his cd's in "New Age" or "Arts and Crafts" gift shops. Never understood it because the title I owned filed under "New Age" was very electroacoustic.
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Posted By: Baggra
Date Posted: January 02 2011 at 09:43
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Anything 70s is good. Later he gets bitta newage. (Still acceptable though.) |
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: January 04 2011 at 19:41
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I just got John Cage's Complete String Quartets recording of the Arditti Quartet thanks to you Toddler. Sounds pretty awesome going through my first listen. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: January 04 2011 at 19:44
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A cough got picked up in the recording. Cage was probably happy about that. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: TODDLER
Date Posted: January 05 2011 at 09:00
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Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: January 05 2011 at 11:33
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It's a very nice recording. It's available on Amazon.com. 'Complete' is a bit misleading. He didn't write much for SQ. It's two cds worth of music. Great stuff. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: Juan Carlos de Mulde
Date Posted: January 06 2011 at 22:49
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I realized two ambient videos with electroacoustic music - listen, enjoy and comment please or check my youtube channel out. "I've added some new stuff of avantgarde electronic music, which was realized at the "Studio Für Elektronische Musik Köln", and I added some way-out sequences of lost time and space motion pictures....listen loud, relax and comment." "I've made this video on an chillout sunday and added to this electro-acoustic composition of J-C Risset some really nice shots of mediterranean landscapes...."------------- http://www.lastfm.de/user/SSsebastian/?chartstyle=SidebarPlain" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Juan Carlos de Mulde
Date Posted: January 23 2011 at 12:24
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the first one of a few Ludger Brummer compositions I want to upload: please check it out and comment.  ------------- http://www.lastfm.de/user/SSsebastian/?chartstyle=SidebarPlain" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Juan Carlos de Mulde
Date Posted: July 11 2011 at 05:44
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I created a new video from the Gaku No Michi composition of Jean Claude Eloy! ------------- http://www.lastfm.de/user/SSsebastian/?chartstyle=SidebarPlain" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: July 11 2011 at 05:48
Wow that's a long upload! 
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Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: July 11 2011 at 11:36
nyan ------------- if you own a sodastream i hate you |
Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: July 11 2011 at 12:25
| Henners, was it necessary to "henry" this thread? |
Posted By: Juan Carlos de Mulde
Date Posted: July 11 2011 at 13:35
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The whole Gaku No Michi composition is approx. 4 hours long with music and not this 10 hours sh*t. :-) ------------- http://www.lastfm.de/user/SSsebastian/?chartstyle=SidebarPlain" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: July 11 2011 at 14:03
I was just pointing out that in this brave new world 40 minutes is not longer an extremely long Youtube video. ------------- if you own a sodastream i hate you |
Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: July 11 2011 at 14:20
| I haven't listened to either video, but 40 minutes of EAI can feel longer than a 10 hours video of normal stuff. :P |
Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: July 11 2011 at 15:21
Yeeeeaaaaahhhh... But... Nyan Cat after a work by Jean-Claude Eloy? This horrible Nyan Cat after the Goddamn Eloy???  |
Posted By: N-sz
Date Posted: July 31 2011 at 02:34
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I'm not very experienced with electronic music, but it's become a recent fascination to me. I am now awaiting three Tangerine Dream albums. Although I've very much enjoyed some new electronic music, I am very fascinated by the progression of electronic music, like some of the stuff from the 40s and 50s, but even more so, the progression of experiments in electronic music incorporated into rock in the late 60s and very early 70s. I really was enjoying Bruce Haack and Mort Garson. I'd like to hear more obscure stuff like that too. |
Posted By: TODDLER
Date Posted: July 31 2011 at 13:13
This is very funny! As usual you have a great sense of dead pan humour.
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Posted By: Juan Carlos de Mulde
Date Posted: February 25 2012 at 16:17
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Hey Guys, I want to keep this thread alive with adding more great stuff. You like it? Give me some reactions on it.... ------------- http://www.lastfm.de/user/SSsebastian/?chartstyle=SidebarPlain" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: OT Räihälä
Date Posted: March 15 2012 at 01:30
What's my opinion about electroacoustic music...? Here am I, sitting in my study, trying to finish a piece for kantele, violin and live electronics. A bit in a hurry, as the premiere will be within two weeks (at Musée d'Orsay in Paris, welcome if you're around). All I can say is that live electronics hugely enhance possibilities of sounds for acoustic instruments. It is very interesting to work with it! ------------- http://soundcloud.com/osmotapioraihala/sets" rel="nofollow - Composer - Click to listen to my works! |
Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: March 15 2012 at 01:48
Is it kind of like what was going on in the Zodiac Club in Berlin
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Posted By: OT Räihälä
Date Posted: March 15 2012 at 02:03
It's actually very precise. The problem is in defining the written out music, where the notation is very detailed, with the electroacoustic sounds through effect pedals, that (in my case) should be more free. The big challenge is to combine well the detailed stuff with the more improvisatory things. Electroacoustic sounds need a lot more time than the purely acoustic. ------------- http://soundcloud.com/osmotapioraihala/sets" rel="nofollow - Composer - Click to listen to my works! |