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Earendil 
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 Posted: December 06 2010 at 15:48 |
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I listen to quite a bit of metal, but some prog metal (and metal in general) can definitely sacrifice well-written music for technicality or anger. Also, there is a much smaller sonic range for the music if it is completely metal. It's a pretty confining genre actually, which can make it become repetitive.
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CCVP
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Posted: December 06 2010 at 17:18 |
 Triceratopsoil wrote:
AtomicCrimsonRush wrote:
Prog metal is awesome but I do not like screechy growly death METAL VOCALS. |
death metal vocals aren't screechy
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This. Death metal has growls, black metal has screeches. Or the other way around. Nobody cares about that. 
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: December 06 2010 at 18:42 |
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I think what appeals to me about Alithia is that the subject matter is interesting. It's vocalist has a deep style and is neither particularly screechy or growly. Also the music is reasonably complex.
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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J-Man
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Posted: December 06 2010 at 19:44 |
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moshkito
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Posted: December 06 2010 at 20:29 |
J-Man wrote:
Couldn't have said it better! 
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Pretty good.
My biggest issue was that in the old days, the likes of Deep Purple, Uriah Heep, Spooky Tooth, Black Sabbath and many of those hard bands, had one thing in common ... they were loud ... and I mean LOUD ... and in some cases, they were not very good in concert ... but it was all so lost in the loudness that ... along with people so ripped ... that it didn't matter.
Half of that music today would be considered pretentious and garbage and no one would notice it. But then, at that time, no one else was doing it, which made it look and appear impressive ... but wasn't.
What has survived from all those is one thing ... loudness ... and nothing else ... and all of these "metal" bands are simply not capable of doing something different and not loud ... and that kinda shows how much the band can do in their work ... and in the end they are not always capable of doing good work.
There is one issue here ... if Petrucci (Dream Theater) was playing a violin everyone would say that he's amazing and top of the stratosphere! ... But he's playing an electric guitar ... and because it's hard and loud ... it's "metal". And after a while, one wonders where the sensitivity and the feeling is and the finger dexterity stops in order to play music, not just notes! The very good example is how he blended really well with an orchestra ... but when all he does is go super loud and the rest of the band doesn't exist and he is just thrashing his strings ... I question the musicianship behind it all. And the desire to get something across other than loudness and noise!
In general, there is nothing wrong with "metal" ... but hearing the same thing yet again does get boring once in a while ... specially when the majority of singers aren't even that good!
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Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told!
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: December 06 2010 at 21:23 |
Because it's overrated.  
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted: December 06 2010 at 22:11 |
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^LOL
All we need now is someone to say "haytaz gona h8!"
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stonebeard
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Posted: December 06 2010 at 22:37 |
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Couple reasons. I'm going to reat it as why people don't like metal in general very much:
1) Most bands take themselves way too seriously when their lyrics are just plain cheesy and laughable. They should be laughing about it. But sometimes they and the fans take slaying dragons really seriously.
2) The lyrics are often really pretentious or really cheesy. I like Pain of Salvation because most of the time Gildenlocks keeps the lyrics personal, interpersonal, and relatable. other times you get "The Dark Eternal Night" or some philosophical crap. No thanks. Artists aren't usually the go-to guys for philosophy.
3) Solos. "Hey cool riff...Nice solo, man! Oh hey here's another on--oh wait why are you starting another one that one wasn't even ove---OH DAMMIT NOT AGAIN."
4) A lot of bands couldn't come up with a compelling melody to save their life. And I mean compelling in a personal way to me. Ark's a fine example. Utterly generic in every way. Hell I'd take DT's "Another Day" over anything like that. Least I can remember Another Day after the fact.
5) Growling can be ok. Usually not. Hoarse whispers (Agalloch)...even less so. Everything else that's not clean is always terrible (personal opinion).
6) Black metal has got to be one of the most pathetic and laughable musical cultures ever. it's only good for making fun of.
My, opinion, etc.
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Posted: December 06 2010 at 22:55 |
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stonebeard
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Posted: December 06 2010 at 22:59 |
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Posted: December 06 2010 at 23:14 |
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Posted: December 07 2010 at 09:15 |
friso wrote:
I don't like progressive metal because of the lack of dynamics, the 'dead' recordings and the often power-metal-like atmosphere. There are some good examples of the contrary, but most progressive metal albums don't touch me at all (though I must say the technical approach challanges my musical brain from time to time).
Furthermore, (prog)metal has caused a huge amound of muscial inflation. Once the grunt stood for a moment of the most extremes of emotions (Be Carefull with that Axe Eugene), nowadays lot's of band use the grunt in all parts of the album and it isn't exciting at all. Another good example is usage of heavy metal riffs on all moments. Once the Larks Tongues in Aspic part 1 main riff stood as a powerhouse, now bands use this kind of force for a metal-ballad which is absurd. As an answer the modern metal has come with endless layers of distortion (Lucassan & Townsend now use 15 layers of metal guitars on their albums..) to keep up with their diminishing effect. This is the main reason for a dynamicless sound. Everything is loud. |
I think you've just successfully answered a question I've often had in my head... Why don't I personally like metal?
It makes sense now!
All the musical elements of metal are chlichéd to the point where there is little originality left within the genre, and the seeming refusal to incoporate other styles means said grunts and crashing moments are turned to 100%, 100% of the time........ 
Of course there are exceptions.............
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rogerthat
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Posted: December 07 2010 at 11:09 |
stonebeard wrote:
2) The lyrics are often really pretentious or really cheesy. I like Pain of Salvation because most of the time Gildenlocks keeps the lyrics personal, interpersonal, and relatable. other times you get "The Dark Eternal Night" or some philosophical crap. No thanks. Artists aren't usually the go-to guys for philosophy.
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I have a different take on this. I rarely relate to personal lyrics in metal because the musicianship is rarely able to evoke the nuance that may be required to convey more subtle emotions that go with personal lyrics. As I like to say, a metal song could just as well be about Valhalla or Satan or love and it would all sound essentially the same - chugga chugga thud thud! I think metal music is best suited to project anger or aggression, which may take either Satanic or anti-social or political hues depending on the band. Yes, that's not exactly a diverse palate, but metal is meant to serve a relatively narrow band of expressions. Writing on topics not usually dealt with in metal doesn't by itself solve the problem. I think Gildenlow does try to overcome that by using a lot of R&B influence in his music but his R&B based singing is not as convincing as his metal singing, so I am not completely satisfied. I do commend PoS's efforts to surmount the problem though.
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himtroy
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Posted: December 08 2010 at 00:55 |
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I've never been a big fan of metal at all.....but Blotted Science is just so badass. And I was satisfied when listening to them because the horrible vocals I was expecting to come in never came.
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Which of you to gain me, tell, will risk uncertain pains of hell?
I will not forgive you if you will not take the chance.
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clarke2001
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Posted: December 08 2010 at 15:11 |
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I have a problem with music which is competitive in nature- -it's music, not sport.
Also, I prefer music to have sense of humour.
I don't mind lyrics about dark themes at all: gore, terror, war, death, fear, nightmare, utterly repulsive perversions. Everything that could shock a listener is welcome. But I prefer well-crafted subtlety over formulaic juvenilia.
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ferush
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Posted: December 08 2010 at 15:43 |
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There is only one word to describe it: Prejudices and it's not a matter of continents or regions.
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rogerthat
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Posted: December 08 2010 at 19:40 |
ferush wrote:
There is only one word to describe it: Prejudices and it's not a matter of continents or regions. |
Yeah, right, I suppose there's absolutely nothing wrong with ANY prog metal music, it's only the listeners who are incurably prejudiced and unfair. 
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Andy Webb
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Posted: December 08 2010 at 20:24 |
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Anirml
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Posted: December 08 2010 at 20:36 |
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Prog metal doesn't surprise me. It has become a sport where creativity is less important.
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Peter
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Posted: December 08 2010 at 23:58 |
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They don't like the sound it makes.
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O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
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