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WalterDigsTunes 
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Joined: September 11 2007 Location: SanDiegoTijuana Status: Offline Points: 4373 |
 Posted: December 01 2010 at 15:45 |
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If a kind of music lends itself to aberrant post-89 growling, it belongs in the trash or bonfire. |
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MrEdifus
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Posted: December 01 2010 at 15:50 |
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Tech/extreme prog-metal is a completely viable genre of progressive music, and quite possibly the most relevant and influential currently.
That's all I'm going to say on that. I've learned to never say "That's not music" and especially not to say "Anyone can do that." Because it's funny how many times people say that, and try... And prove themselves wrong. |
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bartosso
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Joined: September 01 2010 Location: PL Status: Offline Points: 68 |
Posted: December 02 2010 at 12:17 |
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Growling is actually very difficult. I like good growling, like Mikael Akerfeldt', and a few prog-influenced death metal bands (Cryptopsy's "Once Was Not", Decapitated' "Organic Hallucinosis"). But fusion of growling and clean vocals in Opeth' music is what I enjoy the most. Meshuggah is great as well.
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chrijom
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Joined: October 23 2010 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 683 |
Posted: December 02 2010 at 13:19 |
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Growling's not difficult - my dog does it all the time!
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bartosso
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Joined: September 01 2010 Location: PL Status: Offline Points: 68 |
Posted: December 02 2010 at 14:01 |
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Evolver
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Crossover & JR/F/Canterbury Teams Joined: October 22 2005 Location: The Idiocracy Status: Offline Points: 5482 |
Posted: December 02 2010 at 14:09 |
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Anna Faris does it in "The House Bunny". How hard can it be?
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Trust me. I know what I'm doing.
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chrijom
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Joined: October 23 2010 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 683 |
Posted: December 02 2010 at 14:13 |
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uduwudu
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Joined: July 17 2007 Status: Offline Points: 2601 |
Posted: December 04 2010 at 02:11 |
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Th growling sounds immediately dated. Bit like 80s production "values." Clean singing lives on....
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Atoms
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Joined: September 12 2010 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 546 |
Posted: December 04 2010 at 04:57 |
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Mikael Åkerfeldt made me appreciate Growling, but I'm still more of a Clean Vocal guy, even in Metal. However, I barely listen to any metal, so I can't give any good judgement. And my favorite metal band isn't even a prog band: Slipknot, so my experience with Prog metal is very bad. The only metal bands I really like from the progressive side is: Tool, Devin and Opeth. The rest is pretty uninteresting for me.
But from what I've heard, it's without any doubt Clean Vocals. Growling can get really repitetive and boring after a while.
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rogerthat
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Joined: September 03 2006 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 9869 |
Posted: December 04 2010 at 05:29 |
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^^^
Well, I'd rather take death growls, especially within a purely death metal context (don't like the whole beauty-and-beast concept) than boring Cowell-pop vocals. Besides, even avant garde freaks would probably not object to the growls on Heresie. |
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uduwudu
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Posted: December 04 2010 at 05:38 |
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Heresie? The Univers Zero classic?
or not? It's instumental and far darker and more evil than metal. Which, um, is good in my book.  Anyway I think the discussion was about singing (not pop styles) versus the put-on trendy (my qualification) growl. It's about as menacing as and even more annoying than Gene Simmons (as it can ruin ottherwise perfectly fine metal...) |
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rogerthat
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Posted: December 04 2010 at 05:53 |
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Correct, but I meant the track La Falx.
Doesn't say so and half the neo/modern symph crowd sing in a very popish style anyway. I fail to see how Steven Wilson's singing is more 'valid' than Chris Martin's.
To ask a typical metalhead question of you, how much metal have you heard? Edited by rogerthat - December 04 2010 at 05:55 |
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uduwudu
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Posted: December 04 2010 at 06:15 |
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Pretty much everything from MC5 to Therion over the years. There's a lot however of recent times that I've not heard. Some I can live without... Deicide, A.C. are not my vodka and tonic. I have 10,000 Days as probably the last metal album of recent purchase. Most things by Sabbath and Purple... couple of Metallica albums... Helloween - Seven Keys, Priest from time to time, Queensryche's middle era classics... just some examples really. Do Rush count as a metal act? Or am I going off topic by mentioning a prog type act... Actually my favourite metal recording is an Iron Maiden B side... it was one of the most vitriolic arguments I'd ever heard, and they realised "some c#$t was taping this!!!" and used it. for a reord..Ok probably just one of my favourite funny metal moments. That and Bad News and Spinal Tap. I doubt that UZ was on the growling agenda... it's that Opeth trademark that causes disessnsion, debate and diatribes. UZ are not really known as a vocal band... Oh and as for SW and growling.. when PT toured by had not released Fear Of A Blank Planet PT did a track that is not on the album. Thankfully. It featured SW with his identity crisis moment and doing Opeth moments. I suppose that might be quite funny too... |
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rogerthat
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Joined: September 03 2006 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 9869 |
Posted: December 04 2010 at 06:19 |
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What's AC? Therion's later albums are flowery metal of the kind I dislike but the early albums are gritty Swedish death metal and I don't see why anyone would want a typical metal angel singing over their or Deicide's music. Sabbath or DP for that matter represent a completely different era in metal music. Note that even so-called clean metal vocalists like Hetfield or Araya rely a lot on punkish shouting/rapping and not so much on carrying a tune, which simply doesn't work with music played at that speed and level of ummm violence. I am talking about early Metallica's thrashy songs obviously.
Re UZ, my point was simply that growling is workable in some contexts and La Falx with its mysterious and sinister atmosphere is not all that far removed from some old school death metal music, that is, before it went all technical, slam and trigga. Edited by rogerthat - December 04 2010 at 06:21 |
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uduwudu
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Posted: December 04 2010 at 06:29 |
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Oh lord. AC is a band called (censored) A**l C**t. Lost of "songs" enraputring the glories of pedophilia, murder, genocide, violent crime and racial hatred. Possibly not serious but who knows? It's quite amusing to see the CD store label with this name decked out on it. Maybe I should get a copy for my mother?
Yes, I know what you mean about the UZ. I do think this post is about standard growly metal vocal. Which has as much to do with UZ as BS, DP etc have to do with newer metal bands.... All this talk about vocals makes me realise I really do prefer instrumental music. |
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rogerthat
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Joined: September 03 2006 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 9869 |
Posted: December 04 2010 at 06:40 |
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Lord, Anal c**t!
 If bands like those define your death metal experience, then what can I say? So what if UZ's music is completely different from death metal? The vocal technique is the same, the growls in La Falx would comfortably fit it in an extreme metal song.
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Peter
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: January 31 2004 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 9669 |
Posted: December 08 2010 at 23:02 |
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Can't stand growling -- I find it absolutely ridiculous and extremely grating.
 Frankly, it blows me away that otherwise sane, well-adjusted people can derive any real pleasure from it.
What sort of "singing" will growling fans' kids listen to, to shock their parents? Vomitting? Torture? Noisy defecation?
Seriously.  Edited by Peter - December 08 2010 at 23:02 |
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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
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uduwudu
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Posted: December 08 2010 at 23:41 |
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Ha ha no AC does not define my idea of death metal. It is a kind of comedy. But a few gruff vocal moments on one track from the primariy instrumental and chamber rock Uunivers Zero neither define my experience of UZ nor hinder it. I do have most of their albums (and Present's) so I have a fair idea of what UZ are about. As for AC... all I could think was that some shop clerk had to type that name for their store... poor devil. I merely mentioned this as to how low a metal band could sink. The worst I can say of a prog rock band is that some guys like to pay ( a bit closely IMHO) in the style of certain bands. |
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cyclysm748
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Joined: August 28 2008 Location: ND Status: Offline Points: 116 |
Posted: December 09 2010 at 00:28 |
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I have asked this same question myself. How so called heavy and brutal can things become? I think the peak has been reached but I will probably be proven wrong. Which reminds me of my favorite song with screaming. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOB-vE6wqks
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PassOfEra
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Joined: December 09 2010 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 4 |
Posted: December 09 2010 at 20:07 |
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I like either clean vocals or the combination of both screams/growls. I love a scream like Devin Townsend or growls like Mikael Akerfeldt, but I find without their clean vocals also being a part of the equation they wouldn't be able to convey such a variety of moods and atmospheres.
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