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rogerthat 
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Joined: September 03 2006 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 9869 |
 Posted: December 04 2010 at 06:40 |
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Lord, Anal c**t!
 If bands like those define your death metal experience, then what can I say? So what if UZ's music is completely different from death metal? The vocal technique is the same, the growls in La Falx would comfortably fit it in an extreme metal song.
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uduwudu
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Joined: July 17 2007 Status: Offline Points: 2601 |
Posted: December 04 2010 at 06:29 |
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Oh lord. AC is a band called (censored) A**l C**t. Lost of "songs" enraputring the glories of pedophilia, murder, genocide, violent crime and racial hatred. Possibly not serious but who knows? It's quite amusing to see the CD store label with this name decked out on it. Maybe I should get a copy for my mother?
Yes, I know what you mean about the UZ. I do think this post is about standard growly metal vocal. Which has as much to do with UZ as BS, DP etc have to do with newer metal bands.... All this talk about vocals makes me realise I really do prefer instrumental music. |
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rogerthat
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Posted: December 04 2010 at 06:19 |
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What's AC? Therion's later albums are flowery metal of the kind I dislike but the early albums are gritty Swedish death metal and I don't see why anyone would want a typical metal angel singing over their or Deicide's music. Sabbath or DP for that matter represent a completely different era in metal music. Note that even so-called clean metal vocalists like Hetfield or Araya rely a lot on punkish shouting/rapping and not so much on carrying a tune, which simply doesn't work with music played at that speed and level of ummm violence. I am talking about early Metallica's thrashy songs obviously.
Re UZ, my point was simply that growling is workable in some contexts and La Falx with its mysterious and sinister atmosphere is not all that far removed from some old school death metal music, that is, before it went all technical, slam and trigga. Edited by rogerthat - December 04 2010 at 06:21 |
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uduwudu
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Posted: December 04 2010 at 06:15 |
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Pretty much everything from MC5 to Therion over the years. There's a lot however of recent times that I've not heard. Some I can live without... Deicide, A.C. are not my vodka and tonic. I have 10,000 Days as probably the last metal album of recent purchase. Most things by Sabbath and Purple... couple of Metallica albums... Helloween - Seven Keys, Priest from time to time, Queensryche's middle era classics... just some examples really. Do Rush count as a metal act? Or am I going off topic by mentioning a prog type act...  Actually my favourite metal recording is an Iron Maiden B side... it was one of the most vitriolic arguments I'd ever heard, and they realised "some c#$t was taping this!!!" and used it. for a reord..Ok probably just one of my favourite funny metal moments. That and Bad News and Spinal Tap. I doubt that UZ was on the growling agenda... it's that Opeth trademark that causes disessnsion, debate and diatribes. UZ are not really known as a vocal band... Oh and as for SW and growling.. when PT toured by had not released Fear Of A Blank Planet PT did a track that is not on the album. Thankfully. It featured SW with his identity crisis moment and doing Opeth moments. I suppose that might be quite funny too... |
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rogerthat
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Posted: December 04 2010 at 05:53 |
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Correct, but I meant the track La Falx.
Doesn't say so and half the neo/modern symph crowd sing in a very popish style anyway. I fail to see how Steven Wilson's singing is more 'valid' than Chris Martin's.
To ask a typical metalhead question of you, how much metal have you heard? Edited by rogerthat - December 04 2010 at 05:55 |
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uduwudu
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Posted: December 04 2010 at 05:38 |
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Heresie? The Univers Zero classic?
or not? It's instumental and far darker and more evil than metal. Which, um, is good in my book. Anyway I think the discussion was about singing (not pop styles) versus the put-on trendy (my qualification) growl. It's about as menacing as and even more annoying than Gene Simmons (as it can ruin ottherwise perfectly fine metal...) |
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rogerthat
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Posted: December 04 2010 at 05:29 |
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^^^
Well, I'd rather take death growls, especially within a purely death metal context (don't like the whole beauty-and-beast concept) than boring Cowell-pop vocals. Besides, even avant garde freaks would probably not object to the growls on Heresie. |
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Atoms
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Joined: September 12 2010 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 546 |
Posted: December 04 2010 at 04:57 |
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Mikael Åkerfeldt made me appreciate Growling, but I'm still more of a Clean Vocal guy, even in Metal. However, I barely listen to any metal, so I can't give any good judgement. And my favorite metal band isn't even a prog band: Slipknot, so my experience with Prog metal is very bad. The only metal bands I really like from the progressive side is: Tool, Devin and Opeth. The rest is pretty uninteresting for me.
But from what I've heard, it's without any doubt Clean Vocals. Growling can get really repitetive and boring after a while.
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uduwudu
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Posted: December 04 2010 at 02:11 |
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Th growling sounds immediately dated. Bit like 80s production "values." Clean singing lives on....
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chrijom
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Posted: December 02 2010 at 14:13 |
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Evolver
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Posted: December 02 2010 at 14:09 |
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Anna Faris does it in "The House Bunny". How hard can it be?
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Trust me. I know what I'm doing.
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bartosso
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Posted: December 02 2010 at 14:01 |
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chrijom
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Posted: December 02 2010 at 13:19 |
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Growling's not difficult - my dog does it all the time!
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bartosso
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Posted: December 02 2010 at 12:17 |
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Growling is actually very difficult. I like good growling, like Mikael Akerfeldt', and a few prog-influenced death metal bands (Cryptopsy's "Once Was Not", Decapitated' "Organic Hallucinosis"). But fusion of growling and clean vocals in Opeth' music is what I enjoy the most. Meshuggah is great as well.
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MrEdifus
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Posted: December 01 2010 at 15:50 |
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Tech/extreme prog-metal is a completely viable genre of progressive music, and quite possibly the most relevant and influential currently.
That's all I'm going to say on that. I've learned to never say "That's not music" and especially not to say "Anyone can do that." Because it's funny how many times people say that, and try... And prove themselves wrong. |
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WalterDigsTunes
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Posted: December 01 2010 at 15:45 |
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If a kind of music lends itself to aberrant post-89 growling, it belongs in the trash or bonfire. |
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MrEdifus
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Posted: December 01 2010 at 15:43 |
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I'm not going to pick one or the other, because I like too many different kinds of music to just pick one. Certain music demands certain vocals, and there are times when either one is appropriate.
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ferush
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Posted: November 30 2010 at 19:00 |
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Geddy Lee, Michael Sadler, James LaBrie, John Wetton, Derek W. Dick, Greg Lake, these are the best.
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Harry Hood
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Posted: November 30 2010 at 18:31 |
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Death growls. Every time. Music is only made better by it as far as I'm concerned.
Not just modern prog. Classic prog as well. "Death growl" can mean a lot of things. There's actually a pretty wide range of things you can do with it musically. While there's the cliche,limited Akerfeldt type growls, there are also more talented and diverse death growlists. It's as valid of a singing style as anything else. Chuck Schuldiner had a beautiful voice, not despite being death growl, but because of it. The death growl spectrum for me also includes some of the older classic prog vocalists. Lots of them have voices that have detriorated into growl teritory, and honestly the music is made better for it. Listen to some later Kansas recordings for some great examples of this. Steve Walsh's vocals are pretty much in death metal/black metal territory at this point, and it adds to the tension and intensity of the music in a way that benefits it.Honestly I prefer these newer live recordings to their studio counterparts. Fish and Peter Hammill are also great at this. Clean vocals can go to hell. Give me the raw passion and intensity of a death growl any day of the week. |
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FromuzBand
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Joined: November 23 2010 Location: Uzbekistan Status: Offline Points: 17 |
Posted: November 30 2010 at 10:53 |
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I prefer complex vocals, for example Pain of Solvation vocalists Gildenlow
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Progressive rock band FROM.UZ
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Clean Vocals or Death Growl? (Modern Prog)
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