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stonebeard
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Posted: November 19 2010 at 17:06 |
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
That reminds me. The term "Man Cave" is horrible.
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Meh. I rather dislike the conditions that allow for it to arise. I've heard of people getting married and then a little tiny section of the house where the man can do what he wants while the rest of the house is pocked with flowers and crap with empty rooms for "family" that never visits.
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Posted: November 19 2010 at 17:11 |
Never heard Man Cave yet. Lets hope it doesn't cross over to here.
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Posted: November 19 2010 at 20:09 |
I have a co-worker who never says "brand new". Instead he says "brandy new". So far he's the only person I've ever heard say it.
Course he also says "okely dokely" like he's Ned Flanders.
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"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard." -- H.L. Mencken
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Posted: November 19 2010 at 21:53 |
James wrote:
Paravion wrote:
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OK (I hate the word OK, it's not even a word! Plus it is also the most said word in the world. It doesn't really mean anything! Grrr! |
I fail to understand how you've come to the conclusion that okay or OK doesn't mean anything..(?). It has a lot of semantic content if you ask me. And surely it is a word.
I'm normally don't get 'annoyed' by any string of phonemes. Language is intriguing and interesting in all it's occurrences.
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It's an American term originally. It's from Oll Korrect (although there are other derivations).
I'm sorry but it's complete codswallop. Why can you not just say "all right"? That's why I always try to do.
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Wrong, wrong and right.
According to my very big (400,000 definitions) and recent Webster's, "OK" (or okay) has been seen in print since 1840, James. 170 years on, it is a perfectly valid word, with a lengthy definition -- thus it is not "codswallop," but has a long-recognized meaning. It is okay to use it -- language evolves. Is it the fact that it's American in origin that bothers you? 
It's alright. (< nonstandard version of "all right," found in Joyce and others, but okay in informal writing, as here) 
 You cannot resist change to language -- it just happens. If you were able to travel back to the England of 170 years ago, you'd soon discover that people of that time would find much of your 20th and 21st-century English incomprehensible. The average Englishman of our time would also find it hard to follow a great deal of Victorian speech.
Edited by Peter - November 19 2010 at 21:54
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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy.
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Henry Plainview
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Posted: November 19 2010 at 22:47 |
Hahaha James, OK is a word and it has a meaning, you are ridiculous. I will accept that Ok is technically incorrect, but that's such an incredibly tiny distinction you would have to be insane to care about it in anything but the most rigidly formal setting.
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Another one which gets me is politicians' use of the word 'transparency' to denote policies which are 100% clear for all to see.
By its nature, 'transparent' means (to all intents & purposes) invisible - ie if a government policy is transparent, nobody could see it... maybe that's what they truly mean
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Would you prefer translucent? That's not as catchy. ;-) I think the implication is that the government is transparent, so you can see the policies as they are working, not that the policy itself is invisible.
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Posted: November 19 2010 at 22:49 |
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I think the implication is that the government is transparent, so you can see the policies as they are working, not that the policy itself is invisible. |
Yes, transparent does have more than one meaning. To quote the internet: - guileless: free of deceit
- easily understood or seen through (because of a lack of subtlety); "a transparent explanation"; "a transparent lie"
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Posted: November 20 2010 at 03:39 |
It certainly is not due to the fact that it is an American word of origin, that it bothers me, Peter. I think what annoys me the most is that it's a relatively modern word and is the most spoken word in the English language. Plus the etymology of Okay is rather shaky. Nobody is quite sure of the word's origin. Due to those various etymologies, it is thus not clear exactly what the word means. Therefore, I shall stick with more "archaic" words, such as "all right", "fine", "good" and "yes".
If I express that I am "Okay", it could mean numerous things. I could be "fine", I could be "all right", I could be "good" or I could even be "poor", "slightly unwell" and other forms of "average". It's ambiguous.
If somebody ask me to do something, I could respond with "Okay". That gives the word yet another meaning of "yes" or "will do".
Peter, I've read your complaints about modern teenager speak. This is much like a 19th Century equivalent (only not expressed solely by teenagers). It's akin to an Internet Meme of today in my opinion.
Okay is a word.
O.K. is not a word.
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Posted: November 20 2010 at 04:31 |
Peter wrote:
Around here, people often think the plural of "you" is "yous." They also think "frigging" is a polite, acceptable version of f***ing -- it's not. (I heard a politician say it on national radio the other day, as in "the frigging economy.") It means EXACTLY the same thing, folks -- look it up!  |
Originally Friggers were small pieces of nonsense glass made by glass blowers to demonstrate their skill, that act of making them being Frigging (frigging about, frigging around)
Frigging as an euphemism for f*cking is fairly modern, as a slang term in the old days I believe it only meant (female) masturbation.
I think it's like "Feck" - a word that over the past ten years or so has become "polite" substitute for f*ck - that too will eventually lose its original meaning (feck = worth, value, amount) through lack of use - it only really survives in English now as feckless (worthless)
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Posted: November 20 2010 at 04:38 |
James wrote:
If I express that I am "Okay", it could mean numerous things. I could be "fine", I could be "all right", I could be "good" or I could even be "poor", "slightly unwell" and other forms of "average". It's ambiguous.
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When people ask "how are you?" they don't really want to know - it's an informal greeting, not requiring a literal response - the response should be a noncomittal or ambiguous "I'm fine, thank you" or "I'm okay, thanks".
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Snow Dog
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Posted: November 20 2010 at 05:02 |
Dean wrote:
Peter wrote:
Around here, people often think the plural of "you" is "yous." They also think "frigging" is a polite, acceptable version of f***ing -- it's not. (I heard a politician say it on national radio the other day, as in "the frigging economy.") It means EXACTLY the same thing, folks -- look it up!  |
Originally Friggers were small pieces of nonsense glass made by glass blowers to demonstrate their skill, that act of making them being Frigging (frigging about, frigging around)
Frigging as an euphemism for f*cking is fairly modern, as a slang term in the old days I believe it only meant (female) masturbation.
I think it's like "Feck" - a word that over the past ten years or so has become "polite" substitute for f*ck - that too will eventually lose its original meaning (feck = worth, value, amount) through lack of use - it only really survives in English now as feckless (worthless) |
You are correct that frigging is female masturbation either alone or by another.
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Posted: November 20 2010 at 05:54 |
Dean wrote:
Peter wrote:
Around here, people often think the plural of "you" is "yous." They also think "frigging" is a polite, acceptable version of f***ing -- it's not. (I heard a politician say it on national radio the other day, as in "the frigging economy.") It means EXACTLY the same thing, folks -- look it up!  |
Originally Friggers were small pieces of nonsense glass made by glass blowers to demonstrate their skill, that act of making them being Frigging (frigging about, frigging around)
Frigging as an euphemism for f*cking is fairly modern, as a slang term in the old days I believe it only meant (female) masturbation.
I think it's like "Feck" - a word that over the past ten years or so has become "polite" substitute for f*ck - that too will eventually lose its original meaning (feck = worth, value, amount) through lack of use - it only really survives in English now as feckless (worthless) |
Feckless means 'clueless' or 'aimless' or 'irresponsible' methinks (sorry to be pedantic but you are ENGLISH  ) and it's derived from Scots feck = effect
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Posted: November 20 2010 at 06:15 |
ExittheLemming wrote:
Dean wrote:
I think it's like "Feck" - a word that over the past ten years or so has become "polite" substitute for f*ck - that too will eventually lose its original meaning (feck = worth, value, amount) through lack of use - it only really survives in English now as feckless (worthless) |
Feckless means 'clueless' or 'aimless' or 'irresponsible' methinks (sorry to be pedantic but you are ENGLISH ) and it's derived from Scots feck = effect
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Would that be Scottish English, Scottish Gaelic or Lowland Scots?
Since effect is of Latin root then it would not be Gaelic in origin, thus arrived into the Scottish language by way of English, so feckless would be effect-less, ineffectual, valueless or without worth. That it can also mean clueless or aimless is a secondary derivation.
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Posted: November 20 2010 at 06:26 |
^ Philologically I bow in supplication, but words mutate and current parlance is closer to my definition
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Posted: November 20 2010 at 06:31 |
^ I think all those meaning apply.
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Posted: November 20 2010 at 07:17 |
Dean wrote:
James wrote:
If I express that I am "Okay", it could mean numerous things. I could be "fine", I could be "all right", I could be "good" or I could even be "poor", "slightly unwell" and other forms of "average". It's ambiguous.
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When people ask "how are you?" they don't really want to know - it's an informal greeting, not requiring a literal response - the response should be a noncomittal or ambiguous "I'm fine, thank you" or "I'm okay, thanks". |
That maybe so but I would much prefer a more committed answer to this question. I usually try and answer this question with a bit of flair. "How are you?" "Oh, I am absolutely marvellous and full of confidence about my future and I am really looking forward to the New Year and all the wondrous things I have to do." Or maybe: "Oh, I am really quite depressed at the moment and you have just completely ruined my day by speaking to me. Of course, perhaps if you knew I was feeling this way, you would not ask such a question but you were not to know. My life is terrible. I am getting a divorce. My cat died. My sister is unwell. I could be on the verge of losing my job in my really terribly paid job as a teacher. To top that, one of my pupils has accused of me of terrible things I did not do." I guess you're right, Dean.
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Posted: November 20 2010 at 11:36 |
I always say fine, thank you. It's just a vocal greeting. No need to tell them how bad things are really going in my life. It's like that whole "seasons greetings" brouhaha.
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Posted: November 20 2010 at 13:16 |
James wrote:
It certainly is not due to the fact that it is an American word of origin, that it bothers me, Peter. I think what annoys me the most is that it's a relatively modern word and is the most spoken word in the English language. Plus the etymology of Okay is rather shaky. Nobody is quite sure of the word's origin. Due to those various etymologies, it is thus not clear exactly what the word means. Therefore, I shall stick with more "archaic" words, such as "all right", "fine", "good" and "yes".
If I express that I am "Okay", it could mean numerous things. I could be "fine", I could be "all right", I could be "good" or I could even be "poor", "slightly unwell" and other forms of "average". It's ambiguous.
If somebody ask me to do something, I could respond with "Okay". That gives the word yet another meaning of "yes" or "will do".
Peter, I've read your complaints about modern teenager speak. This is much like a 19th Century equivalent (only not expressed solely by teenagers). It's akin to an Internet Meme of today in my opinion.
Okay is a word.
O.K. is not a word.
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No, a word that has existed for hundreds of years is not at all like memes. Memes wreck grammar for comedic effect, OK is something new. Except it's not really new because it's existed several times longer than you have. Since when are abbreviations unacceptable and words aren't allowed to be ambigious and have multiple meanings? WHAT DOES THE WORD GOOD MEAN THERE ARE SO MANY POSSIBILITIES! And what about my favorite word to abuse, really??? As Dean said, the ambiguity is the core selling point of saying OK. There's nothing archaic about saying all right or fine, if you want to break free from the constraints of society and give people honest answers to meaningless questions, go right ahead. But you can't discount a word and abbreviation that has existed for hundreds of years just because of your personal idiosyncrasies. There's also no reason to get bitchy about teenage slang, unless you're a grumpy old man. ;-)
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Posted: November 20 2010 at 15:23 |
TV chefs, you guess the chef: How good it that? Tadfjklkljlakfjkld^&**%$&^% you donkey!
Edited by Slartibartfast - November 20 2010 at 15:24
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Posted: November 20 2010 at 17:23 |
Henry Plainview wrote:
James wrote:
It certainly is not due to the fact that it is an American word of origin, that it bothers me, Peter. I think what annoys me the most is that it's a relatively modern word and is the most spoken word in the English language. Plus the etymology of Okay is rather shaky. Nobody is quite sure of the word's origin. Due to those various etymologies, it is thus not clear exactly what the word means. Therefore, I shall stick with more "archaic" words, such as "all right", "fine", "good" and "yes".
If I express that I am "Okay", it could mean numerous things. I could be "fine", I could be "all right", I could be "good" or I could even be "poor", "slightly unwell" and other forms of "average". It's ambiguous.
If somebody ask me to do something, I could respond with "Okay". That gives the word yet another meaning of "yes" or "will do".
Peter, I've read your complaints about modern teenager speak. This is much like a 19th Century equivalent (only not expressed solely by teenagers). It's akin to an Internet Meme of today in my opinion.
Okay is a word.
O.K. is not a word.
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No, a word that has existed for hundreds of years is not at all like memes. Memes wreck grammar for comedic effect, OK is something new. Except it's not really new because it's existed several times longer than you have. Since when are abbreviations unacceptable and words aren't allowed to be ambigious and have multiple meanings? WHAT DOES THE WORD GOOD MEAN THERE ARE SO MANY POSSIBILITIES! And what about my favorite word to abuse, really??? As Dean said, the ambiguity is the core selling point of saying OK. There's nothing archaic about saying all right or fine, if you want to break free from the constraints of society and give people honest answers to meaningless questions, go right ahead. But you can't discount a word and abbreviation that has existed for hundreds of years just because of your personal idiosyncrasies. There's also no reason to get bitchy about teenage slang, unless you're a grumpy old man. ;-) |
Or a grumpy young man
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