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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 04 2010 at 14:04
No, for the sake of reading all the roles I dismiss it - read my last post again.  It wouldn't make you seem like a baddie, so there's no reason for that player to do it!

You have played more Mafia than I have, but I can read pretty well and I can come to some pretty good conclusions, I think.  Just because I'm new at the game doesn't mean I'm stupid about it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 04 2010 at 14:12
If there is a baddie role that survives NK attempts and there is another baddie who can make it look someone has that role then yes.... that baddie would try to make a civvie look like a baddie by "making them" survive an NK attempt!!

It has been done before!

And how can you say "It wouldn't make you look like a baddie"? Of course it does! You never brought up my name until I survived an NK attempt!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 04 2010 at 14:18
You're evading my point, though - Jon Anderson, a civvie, has a power to grant NK protection.  We don't know if Jon Anderson is alive or dead, so for the purposes of this conversation we assume he is still alive.  Therefore, anyone who reads the character descriptions after a NK wouldn't think that MJK was setting up someone to be bad;  they would either think that Jon Anderson had protected them or that MJK was protecting a fellow baddie, or that Mikael Akerfeldt was the person who survived the NK attempt. 

Frankly, I'm more interested in how hostile your responses are getting at this point.  Don't forget - it's just a game.  Wink  It's natural to be suspicious of anyone who survives something at this point, too.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 04 2010 at 14:18

Being dead is kind of fun at times.

 
Not really, when does Avant Mafia start?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 04 2010 at 14:22
Originally posted by SaltyJon SaltyJon wrote:

Originally posted by S~V~S S~V~S wrote:


At this point, I feel I trust Jon more than anyone.


Originally posted by S~V~S S~V~S wrote:

The person I trust the most in this game has an opinion I am not really sure about. I want to hear her opinions, because her wisdom is always valuable, but she seems to be avoiding really giving an opinion as to who she most suspects.

Excuse me, ma'am, but I am not a SHE. Stern SmileTongue

The "she" was meant for Bea~ I was replying to Loeks remark about me wanting Beas opinion. 

lack or clarity is unclearEmbarrassed

At this point I am still looking at Loek, although i need to do a better reread of Jon vs. Sorsha (which I am still seeing as potential civ/civ~
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 04 2010 at 14:25
I know that Anderson has a protect ability as well.. i read your post! :o !

What is frustrating ME is that you seem to completely dismiss the idea that the baddie who can protect would protect a civvie, someone other than his teammate, in order to cause suspicion to fall on that civvie.

The possibilities for me surviving are
1. anderson protected me
2. keenan protected me
3. i am akerfelt

only one of those says 100% i am a baddie... the other two I could be either....

Why are you not suspicious of the other players in the game who have survived an NK attempt? Oh I know why.... svs says she thinks you are a civvie... THATS why you don't suspect her. ;)

And what does my hostile attitude now that you are hounding me tell you? Is this a typical response from me when I am falsely accused? Yes, yes it is but of course you (who has never played a game with me before) will just use it as more faulty proof for your case.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 04 2010 at 15:06
Originally posted by The Truth The Truth wrote:

Being dead is kind of fun at times.

 
Not really, when does Avant Mafia start?


It will start hopefully as soon as this game is over. I need 25 to 30 participants before it can start, however.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 04 2010 at 15:12
Day 8: Vote Tally (as of November 4th, 2010  4:15PM EST)


1. The Sleepwalker- Bea





Results (thus far):

Bea  1






You have approximately 7 hours and 25 minutes to vote.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 04 2010 at 15:13
I'm going to cast my vote, which is for Bea.

(reasons stated on previous page)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 04 2010 at 15:40
Originally posted by Sorsha Sorsha wrote:

I know that Anderson has a protect ability as well.. i read your post! :o !

What is frustrating ME is that you seem to completely dismiss the idea that the baddie who can protect would protect a civvie, someone other than his teammate, in order to cause suspicion to fall on that civvie.

The possibilities for me surviving are
1. anderson protected me
2. keenan protected me
3. i am akerfelt

only one of those says 100% i am a baddie... the other two I could be either....

Why are you not suspicious of the other players in the game who have survived an NK attempt? Oh I know why.... svs says she thinks you are a civvie... THATS why you don't suspect her. ;)

And what does my hostile attitude now that you are hounding me tell you? Is this a typical response from me when I am falsely accused? Yes, yes it is but of course you (who has never played a game with me before) will just use it as more faulty proof for your case.

Wait a second...when did I say I don't suspect S~V~S? now you're putting words into my mouth.  LOL  Have you seen the huge back and forth she and I had a while back?  Don't think that she's completely out of my suspicions after that.  Lately she hasn't been doing much to make me think "ZOMG SHE'S IN THE MAFIA GUYS".  I'll give it to you straight, here - I suspect everyone who's still alive and who isn't me.  I haven't gotten enough positive signs from ANYONE at this point to completely convince myself that they're civilians.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 04 2010 at 17:21
@ svs - sorry if you think I was avoiding you - I had to go to bed early last night so that I could work morning shift. - I probably should have stated that in the thread - but ya know - I was tired. Embarrassed As you know - I"m not one for making coherent thoughts at 8 am so I didn't even bother to check in before work. - I'm home now and here. 

I've stated several times that I'm most suspish of sleepwalker. - I've said in more than one post that I find his lack of talking through the *entire* game to be very suspiciousness. While I understand he was out of town for a few days the last cycle - that does not in my mind - make up for a lack of talking all game. Yesterday when I searched his posts - he had two pages of posts in a game that's gone on for several hundred pages. 

When I encouraged him to speak - he was gone for a bit - and came back accusing me of the things I accused him of ("flying under the radar") - which - feels like switcharoo to me. 

Atm - I believe jon is civ - I also am unclear of sorsha. I've seen her get ultra-defensive when push comes to shove both as a civ and as mafia. To me her over-reaction tells me nothing of her alliance. 

horsey leaves me some ??? too - I've been trying to figure out fripp's methods to his slienceing all game and I have been unable to. I have some suspish of him - but as he can't talk - I've been focusing on the other players.

And you - svs - my dear svs - I've not yet put the idea *entirely* out of my mind that you could be conning me so hard by playing up to me. You do know how to manipulate me and by putting your trust in my opinion could either be helping you as a civ - or it could be helping you hide. You know how much I always *want* you to be a civ so it would be easy for you to hide behind the desire I have for you to *be* civ. That said - I've not been reading baddie from you. (I know I sound like I'm  contradicting myself about you - but really - I go back and forth. - I'm sorry for that. ) 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 04 2010 at 17:39
OK, this confirms my thoughts as well, except I can read TNP fairly well, and i think TNP was civ~

So I think Jon may be tunnelvisioning a bit (like I did with him) when it comes to Sorsha surviving that NK~

*Votes Sleepwalker*
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 04 2010 at 17:46
I forgot Horse was still with us since he hasn't been talking...I suppose being silenced is a good excuse. LOL 

I really don't know who to vote for yet, though - I am most suspicious of Sorsha and Loek at the moment.  It's hard to get a very read on either of them really, since TNP didn't talk much and I don't remember Sorsha talking much since she took over, and Loek hasn't been very chatty either.  Still, those are the two who my gut tells me to be most suspicious of for now.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 04 2010 at 17:55
Originally posted by Sorsha Sorsha wrote:

Originally posted by S~V~S S~V~S wrote:

Originally posted by Sorsha Sorsha wrote:

RIPIYWG Lizzy... I don't think she was a baddie :(

Interesting that SVS says she has a nice little case on Bea, but now she has mysteriously survived a NK attempt? hmmm... interesting... Would a civvie protector choose her, out of everyone left in the game?


I haven't mysteriously survived, i won a Night Protection, like I told Salty Jon.

The civvie protector didn;t choose me. Why would they?

Interesting that you are jumping on vapors. And my case consists of "I know her really well, and I KNOW she is bad". I will put together a post in the AM when I am sober Smile but it mainly consists of Bea saying.....um, not much~ Which is my whole point.

I don't think its vapors... It's easy enough to say you won a prize and no one would be the wiser. But like Jon pointed out there are other options to be considered and more than one of them is a baddie possibility...

I'm not making any judgments right now.. Just observations :)

Now Sorsha, here you're making the same observations about S~V~S's night kill survival that I've been making about yours.  Wink  I notice that here you didn't point out the possibility that the baddie NK-protector could be setting her up.  Convenient that you neglect to mention that then but make sure to mention it now when you're the one in question...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 04 2010 at 17:58
Day 8: Vote Tally (as of November 4th, 2010  6:57PM EST)

1. The Sleepwalker- Bea
2. S~V~S- The Sleepwalker






Results (thus far):

Bea  1
The Sleepwalker  1






You have approximately 4 hours and 40 minutes to vote.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 04 2010 at 18:27
idk - jon - you may be on to something - but her post did say that there were "more than one" baddie options - to svs surviving the nk.  I'm not sure that her lack of spelling them out the first time around is a sign of her being a baddie. I read that as sorsha implying that we as players should go look at the roles and figure it out for ourselves. 

Now that she's being accused - of course she's spelling stuff out. Again - I'm not sure this reads anything into her alignment. 

I'm willing to wait a bit to see what she says - but my vote will most likely go to sleepwalker. 




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 04 2010 at 18:30
Oh, I know it's not very great evidence.  I just like how in one case she keeps quiet that it could be a setup by the baddies but in another she keeps repeating that.  I'm holding off on voting for now, though.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 04 2010 at 19:00
Originally posted by SaltyJon SaltyJon wrote:

Originally posted by Sorsha Sorsha wrote:

Originally posted by S~V~S S~V~S wrote:

Originally posted by Sorsha Sorsha wrote:

RIPIYWG Lizzy... I don't think she was a baddie :(

Interesting that SVS says she has a nice little case on Bea, but now she has mysteriously survived a NK attempt? hmmm... interesting... Would a civvie protector choose her, out of everyone left in the game?


I haven't mysteriously survived, i won a Night Protection, like I told Salty Jon.

The civvie protector didn;t choose me. Why would they?

Interesting that you are jumping on vapors. And my case consists of "I know her really well, and I KNOW she is bad". I will put together a post in the AM when I am sober Smile but it mainly consists of Bea saying.....um, not much~ Which is my whole point.

I don't think its vapors... It's easy enough to say you won a prize and no one would be the wiser. But like Jon pointed out there are other options to be considered and more than one of them is a baddie possibility...

I'm not making any judgments right now.. Just observations :)

Now Sorsha, here you're making the same observations about S~V~S's night kill survival that I've been making about yours.  Wink  I notice that here you didn't point out the possibility that the baddie NK-protector could be setting her up.  Convenient that you neglect to mention that then but make sure to mention it now when you're the one in question...

Did I go on and on about how SVS must be a baddie because she survived? Did I dance around every explanation for her to be a civvie and only pay attention to the reasons she is a baddie? Nope.

You should pay attention to the players who have played with me before, Bea and SVS. Oh but thats right... everyones a baddie except for you. my bad.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 04 2010 at 19:02
*TROLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL*
 
I can't think of what to actually say to be a troll in this thread LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 04 2010 at 19:05
Originally posted by SaltyJon SaltyJon wrote:

Oh, I know it's not very great evidence.  I just like how in one case she keeps quiet that it could be a setup by the baddies but in another she keeps repeating that.  I'm holding off on voting for now, though.
lol... you are ridiculous...

I didn't continuously go after SVS for her NK survival because I knew that there WERE civvie and baddie options that could be behind her survival.

And you are comparing apples to oranges. One situation is me accusing another player of something, this one is me defending myself. You can't really think that both situations are the same. The only way your argument makes sense is if we had two situations where other people survived NK attempts and I treated THEM differently. You are grasping at straws to make me a baddie and you are wrong.
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