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Padraic
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Posted: November 02 2010 at 14:00 |
Where are all the Simpsons fans? Padraic is sad.
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A Person
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Posted: November 02 2010 at 14:01 |
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Epignosis
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Posted: November 02 2010 at 14:03 |
I recognized it right off! DIRT FIRST!
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TGM: Orb
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Posted: November 02 2010 at 14:52 |
I'm a strict vegetarian, though not a vegan (so fish is certainly out, while dairy is still on the cards). The third box seems more appropriate (to me at least) than the second but .
Um, the whole argument that it's merely 'human nature' (which is a poor justification for all manner of petty villainies) to eat meat seems a bit absurd to me - I hardly see why that's relevant to either an ethical or a practical decision on your diet.
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JLocke
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Posted: November 02 2010 at 14:56 |
TGM: Orb wrote:
I'm a strict vegetarian, though not a vegan (so fish is certainly out, while dairy is still on the cards). The third box seems more appropriate (to me at least) than the second but .
Um, the whole argument that it's merely 'human nature' (which is a poor justification for all manner of petty villainies) to eat meat seems a bit absurd to me - I hardly see why that's relevant to either an ethical or a practical decision on your diet.
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Oh, yeah. Finally some real debates might happen, now.
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thellama73
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Posted: November 02 2010 at 17:16 |
JLocke wrote:
TGM: Orb wrote:
I'm a strict vegetarian, though not a vegan (so fish is certainly out, while dairy is still on the cards). The third box seems more appropriate (to me at least) than the second but .
Um, the whole argument that it's merely 'human nature' (which is a poor justification for all manner of petty villainies) to eat meat seems a bit absurd to me - I hardly see why that's relevant to either an ethical or a practical decision on your diet.
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Oh, yeah. Finally some real debates might happen, now. |
I have had my share of debates with vegetarians, but have mostly outgrown it. To each his own. If you are a vegetarian for moral reasons, I can respect that. If you are one for nutrition reasons, I think you are misguided, but it's your body so I don't care. If you are a vegetarian for no good reason (as most of my vegetarian friends are) I think it's really silly, but again, it's your choice.
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jampa17
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Posted: November 02 2010 at 17:37 |
^That is the best answer ever. Happen that now most of my friends are vegetarian, and they took it as a conviction but not for health conditions... they even get mad if in a restaurant there is not a VEGGIE menu exclusive, which I find ridiculous actually... Just ask the salad without meat... it isn't that bad... but well...
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Change the program inside... Stay in silence is a crime.
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Conor Fynes
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Posted: November 02 2010 at 17:56 |
What would I call myself, if I ate vegetarians and vegans as part of my diet?
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A Person
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Posted: November 02 2010 at 18:09 |
Conor Fynes wrote:
What would I call myself, if I ate vegetarians and vegans as part of my diet?
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Cannibal.
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: November 02 2010 at 19:20 |
I would never be a vegetarian for moral reasons. Animals kill and eat each other in brutal fashion and we are animals too as far as I am concerned. Killing for sport and not food is immoral. But then there's the whole thing that no one asks vegetables if they mind being eaten. And who will stand up for the bacteria?
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Easy Money
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Posted: November 03 2010 at 05:18 |
Why are meat eaters (at least in the states) opposed to eating dogs or cats. I really don't get that, possibly both animals are very tasty. A lot of good meat is going to waste everyday when animal shelters have to kill abandoned pets by the hundreds.
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: November 03 2010 at 05:56 |
Easy Money wrote:
Why are meat eaters (at least in the states) opposed to eating dogs or cats. I really don't get that, possibly both animals are very tasty. A lot of good meat is going to waste everyday when animal shelters have to kill abandoned pets by the hundreds. |
Gives a new meaning to pet food, doesn't it?
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JLocke
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Posted: November 03 2010 at 13:30 |
Easy Money wrote:
Why are meat eaters (at least in the states) opposed to eating dogs or cats. I really don't get that, possibly both animals are very tasty. A lot of good meat is going to waste everyday when animal shelters have to kill abandoned pets by the hundreds. |
Because we've domesticated them and think they are just as cute as human babies. It's a cultural thing, not so much as a moral one. At least in my opinion. Kind of like hunting. We hunt for sport a lot these days, and that makes no real sense to me. Neither does making clothes from animal skin and fur. I mean, I'm not opposed to wearing those types of clothes per se, but I can't logically figure out why we would still see that as an option when we can synthetically produce the same material a lot cheaper and more efficiently.
Hunting for food is one thing, hunting for sport is another. We breed livestock on farms to provide us with food. That's logical. Killing an animal in the wild for survival or providing food to others, that too makes sense to me. However, shooting down an animal in the wild for no reason other than target practice and a trophy . . . well, that's not so logical in my opinion. I'm not saying we should bar people from doing these things, but on a personal level, I have a hard time wrapping my head around a lot of it.
Edited by JLocke - November 03 2010 at 13:32
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Padraic
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Posted: November 03 2010 at 13:32 |
Easy Money wrote:
Why are meat eaters (at least in the states) opposed to eating dogs or cats. |
Not all meat eaters are.
Sorry, missed your caveat "at least in the states". I suppose the culture drives the ethics.
Edited by Padraic - November 03 2010 at 13:33
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JLocke
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Posted: November 03 2010 at 13:33 |
Padraic wrote:
Easy Money wrote:
Why are meat eaters (at least in the states) opposed to eating dogs or cats. |
Not all meat eaters are. |
I eat cat all the time when I go to chinese restaurants.
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Easy Money
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Posted: November 03 2010 at 13:41 |
I'm not trying to be provocative or make some kind of point, but I'm just curious, how many people here would eat a stew made of cat and/or dog?
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Padraic
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Posted: November 03 2010 at 13:43 |
Easy Money wrote:
I'm not trying to be provocative or make some kind of point, but I'm just curious, how many people here would eat a stew made of cat and/or dog? |
I wouldn't because I'm conditioned by my culture to think that's gross.
That said, there's also a lot of non-cat and non-dog "meat" dishes that also don't appeal to me in any way.
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JLocke
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Posted: November 03 2010 at 13:46 |
Easy Money wrote:
I'm not trying to be provocative or make some kind of point, but I'm just curious, how many people here would eat a stew made of cat and/or dog? |
I probably wouldn't. I also wouldn't eat something made from Otter or Seal. It's just how I've been conditioned to think. Cute = not food. It's hypocritical and illogical as all hell, and I admit it.
If you would lie to me and tell me it was some other animal, I would eat it and most likely enjoy it.
Edited by JLocke - November 03 2010 at 16:07
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Billy Pilgrim
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Posted: November 04 2010 at 04:28 |
I once helped my friend slaughter a pig, my diets been getting closer to option two ever since.. so, to me eating meat is kind of gross, specialy with the meat companies today. So every once in awhile I'll have some natural chicken/fish, but I'm trying to be more of a vegetarian for health purposes and other beliefs. On this issue I say to each his own, weather or not other people eat meat doesn't affect me at all, and it's not something I try to push on other people.
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JLocke
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Posted: November 04 2010 at 05:28 |
Billy Pilgrim wrote:
I once helped my friend slaughter a pig, my diets been getting closer to option two ever since.. so, to me eating meat is kind of gross, specialy with the meat companies today. So every once in awhile I'll have some natural chicken/fish, but I'm trying to be more of a vegetarian for health purposes and other beliefs. On this issue I say to each his own, weather or not other people eat meat doesn't affect me at all, and it's not something I try to push on other people.
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Perfectly logical reasons for changing your attitude, and absolutely admirable reasons for not wanting to influence other people. Impressive, honest post all around.
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