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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 20 2010 at 04:04
Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:

^ Interesting, that must be why our server is always down at work - the IT department is staffed with touchy feely dreamers Geek
Effectively I'm in IT since 1981 and in prog since 1973....the two things may be linked.Confused
on both it can be just question of playing keyboards 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 20 2010 at 08:03
I had issues with this many years ago because I was a working musician and some of the musicians I met were just as foul or close minded about prog as anyone else. I was a little surprised and I was living in the dark and hated putting effort into someone else's attitudes or overall issues. It's like a chess game. I'd rather just put on prog and stare at the big puffy white clouds in the big blue sky and turning off society's transistor signal.

I have strange encounters with young family members that are interested in rap or hip hop. They might invite me into their conversation. A few years ago when I played coffee houses occasionally, we had poetry night. Various rappers would show to the stage and recite a rap piece without music. It turned out to be real interesting for me. Many of them had the upmost ability to create sentences that told a story, all the words were rhymes and completely off the top of their heads. It was evident to me that they must have practiced a method where one improvises with rhymes and experiments with wording. It's not an easy task to accomplish and I was very impressed with these guys. But later,.... they struck up a conversation with me and because of my age, they were under the assumption that due to my age, my musical taste was with Boston, Foghat, Peter Frampton, Cheap Trick etc ...all the things I depised about rock music during it's dreadful change when I was 18. This is most likely due to their full time exposure to the media and the media does not represent as a whole, the truth regarding music from my generation or doesn't give more of an inside glimpse into the social environment between 66' to 71'.

In conculsion, this being the reason why society in general reflects a foul attitude toward proggers. They have no understanding of our life in the 60's and early 70's and their minds are lured in by the media coverage and all it's lies. Just as it's almost impossible to convince stadium rock fans that Robin Trower's Bridge Of Sighs, (which during the first release was excepted by everyone), became for musicians an insult. A record which contained a guitar style that emulated Jimi Hendrix to the extreme. Many musicians just threw their hands into the air yelling "What for?"  Many people in the world just can't come to that realization. Some people say....."Who ever heard of such a thing?"  But you see? You had to be there to understand. Clapton turning into a singer songwriter was another big blow to professional players.

Remember the saying...The hippies were cool until Madision Ave got a hold of them? It's the same deal. People don't understand concepts of practices in music during the early times....whether it be rock or even commercial rock....let aloine soundtrack music, Prog or Jazz. You have thousands of people in America raving over Eric Clapton and they don't even have a clue who Rory Gallagher is. It's a worthless battle and most of the time at social gatherings, I calmly avoid social contact and music conversations. Many times I have lied and stated that I know nothing of Progressive Rock just to escape the annoying raves over Led Zeppelin and Yes.  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 01 2010 at 08:11
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Hi,
 
Gotta give Snow Dog some credit here ... he has empty space in his reply (it's what I can see from here) and it is just about the size I needed to explain it ... but decided ... that the best reply is already there.
 
Well done Snow ... yeah ... sometimes silence is golden!

Actually it should be a video clip of The Who's "Can't Explain". Don't know why you can't see it.

So I can't take the credit and the praise unfortunately.Embarrassed
 
I can't see it either - that's because I'm at work and YouTube is banned along with Facebook, MySpace etc etc.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 01 2010 at 08:14
Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Hi,
 
Gotta give Snow Dog some credit here ... he has empty space in his reply (it's what I can see from here) and it is just about the size I needed to explain it ... but decided ... that the best reply is already there.
 
Well done Snow ... yeah ... sometimes silence is golden!

Actually it should be a video clip of The Who's "Can't Explain". Don't know why you can't see it.

So I can't take the credit and the praise unfortunately.Embarrassed
 
I can't see it either - that's because I'm at work and YouTube is banned along with Facebook, MySpace etc etc.

Well you know the tune...just sing it in your head.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 01 2010 at 14:07
Hi,
 
A lot of music for me is NOT about the lyrics ... and this is the reason why so much "progressive" music fails for me ... the need to sing and sound like someone else, to say "something" ... it is far better to say nothing, than it is to say something sometimes,
 
Somehow, we tend to add some importance because someone has lyrics, and I don't think that is necessarily the case and it becomes an excuse ... and does not propel the music much.
 
The other side of things, is ... that what became "progressive" was a result of a SCENE that had a lot of other arts around it ... and too many of the sub-genres of the "progressive" groups were not a part of any scene, and in general they were just market'able bands that did good enough work to get attention.
 
But it is really hard to explain to most readers here, and listeners today, what "Epitath" or "Moonchild", or "For Richard" are all about ... and how they matered ... because in the end, they are not even listening to the lyrics and figure that there is some sort of musicianship that makes the music "progressive" ... to fit some sequential non-history of music or the arts.
 
In general, if you can "see things" from it ... it is "more" than just music. And between you and I, I care not for the lyrics telling me what the music is about ... which is what most rock'n'roll is about and the music itself has nothing to do with anything esle.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 02 2010 at 02:45
Why explain ? Just enjoy whatever the music you like, be it POP Prog Jazz Latin, dosent matter, its not a contenst    
Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 02 2010 at 16:28
Originally posted by Pelata Pelata wrote:

I'm with mono...
 
The only thing that is "mono" and was important and helped create "progressive" music, is the one thing that we do not give enough credit or history to ... the synthesizer ... and at the time it was being used as a bonafide instrument creating odd sounds that added to the concept and content of the music itself.
 
In general, KC was not doing that then, and was in fact a very well rehearsed experimental group, that did not use the "synthesizer" as an excuse for creating new music. And that is important, but in essence a completely different process for creating music than many others ... who tend to follow rock's easier concepts and ideas like having lyrics and then adding some notes that supposedly define the lyrics or vice versa.
 
All in all, there is nothing wrong with "stereo" ... all it is is 2 MONO'S together.
 
In general, the old process was more important in helping define and create music, via the technology and synthesizers, than the stereo and the digital today, where most people are too lazy to do anything else but repeat the invention of the wheel!
 
So yeah ... there is a validity to the choice of "mono". And in many ways, it all meant a lot more then, than it does now, specially with the voice and taste and experience ... that helped create the work.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 02 2010 at 16:33
^ I'm not sure if you are being serious.Stern Smile
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