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My bad, I am a new member so I haven't seen those other posts, sorry for wasting everyones time. Still disgusting though.
Hell, you are not wasting my time. This kind of junk happens all the time. Especially in Electronic music. I don't want to dance to Electronic, I want to listen to it. Remember the golden days of the early Tangerine Dream and Klaus Schulze? But, you don't want to remember hearing excerpts from their early pieces in dance tunes now do ya? It's the kingdom of the DJ'S and their sampling concepts. It's the new modern artist taking on that role as well. Proggers argue with me and state that Electronic music sounds best this way. I then ask them....How would you feel if I sampled excerpts of your favorite prog band's compositions into dance club material? They should leave the party dance music to the B52'S because they know from a professional stand point, what the hell they are doing. This is a disease. It will eventually infect all styles of music in the world. Lets sample country songs by Hank Williams with a Go Go's tune. Lets sample The Wizard by Black Sabbath with a Disco Inferno Halloween dance party tune. Sure why not? Insult everybody while your at it. I thought everyone was suppose to express some type of art through their creations. Sample? Sample this!
Is it possible to die from taking yourself too seriously? Because if so somebody needs to look up this dude's address and send an ambulance to his house STAT.
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Posted: October 10 2010 at 21:34
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I just want to say, and I know it's all taste and opinion and blah blah blah, but I think Kanye West is the single most overrated, overhyped, undertalented, worthless waste of studio time & airplay this side of P. Diddy...I hate that guys music...never have I seen a guy get so rich with so little talent.
haha...you put that down so well I had a real laugh
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Posted: October 11 2010 at 06:01
^ But see, you hardly hear of those guys and their comrades in popular media. So it's no wonder people just assume it all sucks when all they hear is the watered down, fun-size versions of what Hip-Hop used to be.
If we are going to name specifically modern acts, here, let me mention Deltron 3030. You want to talk about creative, I'd say that fits the bill. Like a Space-Rock Rap album. Not to mention the lyrics are superb. Brilliant, if you ask me.
Im a huge hip hop fan just like you two above me. Most people on this site and in general have no idea their is great hip hop around still. Deltron 3030 and Blackalicious are great examples of amazing hip hop around today. It seems today you have to look to the underground/alternative hip hop scene to find the good stuff today. You still got great acts in spotlight still that keep it real like The Roots,Mos Def,Talib Kweli and etc. Then u got the great underground acts like Murs,Atmosphere,Aesop Rock and etc. These artists are lyricaly the best in the buisness yet they get no recognition from the mainstream.
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Posted: October 13 2010 at 05:42
But this isn't specific to hip-hop. People keep talking like there's some conspiracy to keep "smart" hip-hop out of the spotlight and I really don't know why they do because smart everything is out of the spot light. I mean why we are on this site instead of listening to the rock on the radio? Because it's dumb.
People who really care about music are greatly outnumbered by people who are casual about it and find it illogical/fruitless to invest great quantities of thought into it. This goes for everything and for complex hip-hop too.
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Posted: October 13 2010 at 05:43
And now, a lyrical masterpiece. I'm not that crazy about the beat, but if you focus on and unpack the lyric, this is unbelievable, especially the second verse.
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Posted: October 13 2010 at 06:04
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And now, a lyrical masterpiece. I'm not that crazy about the beat, but if you focus on and unpack the lyric, this is unbelievable, especially the second verse.
I dunno, man. The beats on that are pretty killer, if you ask me (which you didn't)
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Posted: October 13 2010 at 06:39
Another lyrical killer, this time a story about Vietnam, but I should say the fun really begins at 1:32. Vinnie Paz has the first verse and he's alright but RA The Rugged Man takes the second verse and it is COMPLETELY BANANAS. His single verse is better than some other rapper's entire careers.
My bad, I am a new member so I haven't seen those other posts, sorry for wasting everyones time. Still disgusting though.
Hell, you are not wasting my time. This kind of junk happens all the time. Especially in Electronic music. I don't want to dance to Electronic, I want to listen to it. Remember the golden days of the early Tangerine Dream and Klaus Schulze? But, you don't want to remember hearing excerpts from their early pieces in dance tunes now do ya? It's the kingdom of the DJ'S and their sampling concepts. It's the new modern artist taking on that role as well. Proggers argue with me and state that Electronic music sounds best this way. I then ask them....How would you feel if I sampled excerpts of your favorite prog band's compositions into dance club material? They should leave the party dance music to the B52'S because they know from a professional stand point, what the hell they are doing. This is a disease. It will eventually infect all styles of music in the world. Lets sample country songs by Hank Williams with a Go Go's tune. Lets sample The Wizard by Black Sabbath with a Disco Inferno Halloween dance party tune. Sure why not? Insult everybody while your at it. I thought everyone was suppose to express some type of art through their creations. Sample? Sample this!
Is it possible to die from taking yourself too seriously? Because if so somebody needs to look up this dude's address and send an ambulance to his house STAT.
Maybe what you need to do is to hang out with some well respected musicians and ask them for their opinion on garabage like this. I was trying to make light of the situation with sarcastic comments but, ever been in a dressing room with jazz musicans when this crap is playing in the venue? They certainly don't have nice words to explain it. A lot of electronic music fans who grew up on the Berlin School of electronic music find this kind of stuff revolting. You don't understand why. Am I right?
I'm making an assumption here, but it would appear that Toddler owns some B52s CDs. I think that just about wraps up his musical opinions.
Toddler: Did you ask these well respected jazz musicians you hang out with what they think about the B52s?
No and I wouldn't But if I were friends with Cindy Wilson, I would invite her onto stage to sing some jazz standards since she is a completely diverse type of singer. I am trying (and I don't know why), to reach you on this one. It's not just me that has harsh feelings towards samples of classic rock, electronic pieces, or jazz tunes within a dance song. Many types of musicians express dislike for the concept and feel that it is just cheap.
My bad, I am a new member so I haven't seen those other posts, sorry for wasting everyones time. Still disgusting though.
Hell, you are not wasting my time. This kind of junk happens all the time. Especially in Electronic music. I don't want to dance to Electronic, I want to listen to it. Remember the golden days of the early Tangerine Dream and Klaus Schulze? But, you don't want to remember hearing excerpts from their early pieces in dance tunes now do ya? It's the kingdom of the DJ'S and their sampling concepts. It's the new modern artist taking on that role as well. Proggers argue with me and state that Electronic music sounds best this way. I then ask them....How would you feel if I sampled excerpts of your favorite prog band's compositions into dance club material? They should leave the party dance music to the B52'S because they know from a professional stand point, what the hell they are doing. This is a disease. It will eventually infect all styles of music in the world. Lets sample country songs by Hank Williams with a Go Go's tune. Lets sample The Wizard by Black Sabbath with a Disco Inferno Halloween dance party tune. Sure why not? Insult everybody while your at it. I thought everyone was suppose to express some type of art through their creations. Sample? Sample this!
Is it possible to die from taking yourself too seriously? Because if so somebody needs to look up this dude's address and send an ambulance to his house STAT.
Maybe what you need to do is to hang out with some well respected musicians and ask them for their opinion on garabage like this. I was trying to make light of the situation with sarcastic comments but, ever been in a dressing room with jazz musicans when this crap is playing in the venue? They certainly don't have nice words to explain it. A lot of electronic music fans who grew up on the Berlin School of electronic music find this kind of stuff revolting. You don't understand why. Am I right?
I actually do understand why, because my father was much the same way, and despite what your tone is suggesting I'm not actually retarded. I simply don't care . A lot of musicians were/are against the natural progression of music. As it was, as it will be. Doesn't make their opinions on the matter valid any more than Gene Simmons' idea to sue literally every single human being who has engaged in file sharing is valid just because he's in a famous band.
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Posted: October 13 2010 at 22:49
One could argue that bands like Marillion and IQ and so on have built entire careers out of "sampling" bands that went before them, through imitation rather than direct dubbing of tapes. Does that make any difference?
And Wolf's point that many musicians are against the progression of music is a good one. Sinatra hated rock and roll but who gives a sh*t?
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Posted: October 13 2010 at 22:49
TODDLER wrote:
Textbook wrote:
I'm making an assumption here, but it would appear that Toddler owns some B52s CDs. I think that just about wraps up his musical opinions.
Toddler: Did you ask these well respected jazz musicians you hang out with what they think about the B52s?
No and I wouldn't But if I were friends with Cindy Wilson, I would invite her onto stage to sing some jazz standards since she is a completely diverse type of singer. I am trying (and I don't know why), to reach you on this one. It's not just me that has harsh feelings towards samples of classic rock, electronic pieces, or jazz tunes within a dance song. Many types of musicians express dislike for the concept and feel that it is just cheap.
I'm a pro musician, I've played a lot of jazz gigs as well as a lot of other styles of music. I like really good rap, especially the stuff based on JBs beats (late 80s early 90s). I don't care for generic rap, especially modern generic rap.
I uesed to play acid jazz gigs in San Francisco where rappers would sit in with the band, fun stuff.
P.S. I like sampling too, especially when it first came out, that really shot a bolt of energy through the whole music world. DJs were putting out better and more exciting music than musicians, how embarrasing and challenging for the musicians. Musician skills have improved considerably since sampling made them re-think a lot of their playing. Drumnbass skills for drummers for example.
I actually do understand why, because my father was much the same way, and despite what your tone is suggesting I'm not actually retarded. I simply don't care . A lot of musicians were/are against the natural progression of music. As it was, as it will be. Doesn't make their opinions on the matter valid any more than Gene Simmons' idea to sue literally every single human being who has engaged in file sharing is valid just because he's in a famous band.
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It's easy to misunderstand my intentions. I am merely stating my experience with other musicians and many that is. Maybe they don't see sampling as a healthy, natural progression of music. A huge percentage of musicians find sampling to be contrived. Cool sounding to fans of the style or approach but, limiting and somewhat insulting to musicians.
How can you use the name Gene Simmons and the word musician in the same sentence? He couldn't even figure out what to do with Savoy Brown's music. I wonder if he could play a Grand Funk Railroad song? It's like....Hey Dad! This guy dressed up in pancake makeup and made a fortune. At least people like Rick Derringer who wore a pancake face knew how to change up and play fusion guitar!
Musicans couldn't even take hard rock seriously nor did the record companies after the dreadful entry of Kiss. They destroyed it for many. I know you are not going there but, I am because...c'mon, what are we talking about here? Why is the record company's opinion or manipulation of musicians considered valid? What's up with that in today's society? It's hard enough for the youth to understand concepts of true rock history when posters of Clapton the God are hanging in every music store across the nation. It's the main reason why most people have no idea of who Mike Bloomfield is or his legacy. It's not about me! It's about how the history has been changed by money making a-holes. There is no honesty in it and there never will be. Zappa knew.
You seem to be under the impression that I approve of Gene Simmons' sentiments, which I do not, at all. I'm just saying that being [thing] does not necessarily make your opinion on [thing] valid. All these jazz musicians may be buggin' about sampling, but Steve Reich has no problem with it. "This guy says this" isn't a valid argument, is what I'm saying.
There's also the matter of a quote you said earlier which was, "I don't want to dance to electronic music, I want to listen to it."
...So don't dance to it! Listen to the stuff you like and let the people who want to dance, dance. You'll be rockin' some Klaus Schulze and the kids in the club will be gettin' down to deadmau5 and everyone can end up happy.
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It's like....Hey Dad! This guy dressed up in pancake makeup and made a fortune. At least people like Rick Derringer who wore a pancake face knew how to change up and play fusion guitar!