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    Posted: October 07 2010 at 08:16
After teaching today some students about the holocaust of Nazi Germany I felt quite moved to share some feelings here.
 
 
We discussed a number of issues (warning - graphic accounts here)
 
read these real accounts of the Holocaust and then check following websites
 
 
1. How does poetry of Holocaust survivors serve to remind us of what happened?
 
poetry found here
 
and
 
 
 
2. How does the timeline effect us when we read of what the Nazis perpetrated upon the jews?
 
 
 
3. What is most disturbing about the Jager Report?
 
 
4. How does this artwork by Olere make us feel and what is the main imagery? 
 
 
 
5. Pictures of the Majdanek Gas chambers at the concentration camp taken recently reveal what?
 
 
 
What are your thoughts about the Holocaust??? - a serious issue that should be discussed.... 


Edited by AtomicCrimsonRush - October 07 2010 at 08:17
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 07 2010 at 08:18
I have a thought on the holocaust. It sucked.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 07 2010 at 08:29
I agree it sucked hard. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 07 2010 at 08:32
Holocaust survivors challenge us to remember
 
 
But the Germans wanted us to forget y burning the death camps and evidence
 
they burned the jews and their artifacts....
What was the one thing that they could not burn?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 07 2010 at 08:33
Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:

I have a thought on the holocaust. It sucked.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 07 2010 at 08:44
Q. F. T?
 
Quit F'ing Thread?
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 07 2010 at 08:44
Originally posted by AtomicCrimsonRush AtomicCrimsonRush wrote:

What was the one thing that they could not burn?


The determination & memories of those who survived.



The Holocaust 'sucked' and 'sucked hard'? No - some films 'suck' & some tv programmes 'suck hard'. Those words come nowhere close.

The Holocaust was one of the most immoral, inhuman acts in human history (as was the less well documented Armenian genocide 20/25 years earlier, from which Hitler formed his blueprint), wiping out the entire Jewish (and other 'untermench') population from villages, towns, regions and in the case of Poland, almost an entire country.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 07 2010 at 08:51
Originally posted by Jim Garten Jim Garten wrote:

Originally posted by AtomicCrimsonRush AtomicCrimsonRush wrote:

What was the one thing that they could not burn?


The determination & memories of those who survived.



The Holocaust 'sucked' and 'sucked hard'? No - some films 'suck' & some tv programmes 'suck hard'. Those words come nowhere close.

The Holocaust was one of the most immoral, inhuman acts in human history (as was the less well documented Armenian genocide 20/25 years earlier, from which Hitler formed his blueprint), wiping out the entire Jewish (and other 'untermench') population from villages, towns, regions and in the case of Poland, almost an entire country.
Great answer!!!!!! "vThe determination & memories of those who survived. "
 
 
the students answers were similar
 
their memories
the suffering of the survivors
the remains of the camps
the pain felt by a generation
the inhuman acts
the survivors recollections
 
 
the Nazis were determined to keep an Aryan race free from the 'impurity' of Jewish 'infestation' - the jews were nothing more than a nuisance, a pest to b exterminated. did u know they wiped out over 2000 in one day by mobile killing units in 1942? in 5 months there were literally thousands buried.
 
but what happened to the Nazis after the war and liberation of the Jews?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 07 2010 at 09:26
The Nurenberg trials are well documented, but although only 11 were hanged as a result of Holocaust investigations immediately following the famous trial, investigations, trials & sentencing continued (and still do continue)... it took 2 more years to track down, sentence & hang Auchwitz's commandant, and the architech of the 'Final Solution', Adolph Eichmann was eventually brought to justice 17 years after the war, in Jerusalem in 1962.

Much has been said of the need to forgive in the cases of those involved who still come to the public eye, given their extreme old age, but in my opinion, they should be given as much leniency as they gave those of a similar age in the 1940s

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 07 2010 at 09:26
Originally posted by AtomicCrimsonRush AtomicCrimsonRush wrote:

Q. F. T?
 
Quit F'ing Thread?
 

Quoted for truth. Tongue

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 07 2010 at 09:49
Originally posted by Jim Garten Jim Garten wrote:

Originally posted by AtomicCrimsonRush AtomicCrimsonRush wrote:

What was the one thing that they could not burn?


The determination & memories of those who survived.



The Holocaust 'sucked' and 'sucked hard'? No - some films 'suck' & some tv programmes 'suck hard'. Those words come nowhere close.

The Holocaust was one of the most immoral, inhuman acts in human history (as was the less well documented Armenian genocide 20/25 years earlier, from which Hitler formed his blueprint), wiping out the entire Jewish (and other 'untermench') population from villages, towns, regions and in the case of Poland, almost an entire country.


Did the question really need to be asked? Was someone going to come in saying they thought the holocaust was anything less than horrendous?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 07 2010 at 09:51
Originally posted by Jim Garten Jim Garten wrote:

The Nurenberg trials are well documented, but although only 11 were hanged as a result of Holocaust investigations immediately following the famous trial, investigations, trials & sentencing continued (and still do continue)... it took 2 more years to track down, sentence & hang Auchwitz's commandant, and the architech of the 'Final Solution', Adolph Eichmann was eventually brought to justice 17 years after the war, in Jerusalem in 1962.

Much has been said of the need to forgive in the cases of those involved who still come to the public eye, given their extreme old age, but in my opinion, they should be given as much leniency as they gave those of a similar age in the 1940s


They almost got Mengle but the timing of the Eichman capture did not permit it and he fled Argentina before another operation could be mounted.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 07 2010 at 10:26

Holocaust = the biggest ever crime against humanity, as simple as that. It was a hideous crime, far beyond comprehension for most of us. 

It is pretty pleasing to notice that Germany has been voted the most popular land for Jews to live in for the last five years. There is now a net emigration from Israel to Germany. That is something the Germans should be proud of. 

It does worry me now that the "race hygiene" issue has popped up again in the moderate right wing movements in the Scandinavian and other countries (with notable exception of in Germany). Obviously, the lessons from Holocaust has not sunk in yet. I am vehement right winger myself, but the issues of "race hygiene" and "the Aryan race" is something we as human beings should had been finished with at the Nuremberg trials. This whole "race" and "Aryan" matter thoroughly disgusts me. In this matter, I share the views of the new Germany.  



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 07 2010 at 11:26
What's the point of this? I guess nobody will come and say "thank god for the holocaust". We all despise the holocaust. So? Should we still keep reviving it every day? What's this "< ="utf-8">But the Germans wanted us to forget y burning the death camps and evidence" thing? Should we always blame a people because of what happened 70 years ago? 
There have been other genocides, awful genocides in history. The holocaust was probably the worst because of its scale. Can't we remember other atrocities too? (Ruanda, Democratic Kampuchea, Yugoslavia, etc etc etc.) 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 07 2010 at 12:45
^ interesting fun fact of not so fun people Idi Amin, Fidel Castro, Augusto Pinoche and Pol Pot is born on the almost the same year 1925-28 (and Robert Mugabe is born in 1924

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 07 2010 at 12:53
^Oh... "fun" Idi Amin certainly was (he was quite a clown)... "Good" is another matter... 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 07 2010 at 12:59
Bach, Handel and Scarlatti were all born the same year. !685 I think. And two of them were German, so that relates to the Holocaust.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 07 2010 at 13:00
Pretty sure the holocaust was bad..
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 07 2010 at 13:04
Something about the Holocaust just rubs me the wrong way.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 07 2010 at 13:13
^ well he certanly liked Haggish, bagpipes and kilts (since he was a scotsman)
 
back to Holocoust I was back like 4 years ago at a seminar on my Folkehöyskole (High school for people) and listened to a Norwegian jew whom was a surviver of Auswitzch, he told us about how he was forced to work and be humiliated in worse way a human possibly can be treated, Julius Paltier was he's name (he died in 2008) it is one or two that  survivied holocoust that  are still alive in Norway,
 
It was hard to keep yore emotions in check, i felt cold, sad, angry, shaken, (he also cracked some jokes), but in the most sad parts many girls cried, i almost cried, i felt mostly chils down my spine of disgust about the evil humans are capable of releasing on other humans,
 
mye grandparents (my fathers parents) are Hungarians and that was a country that was in the midst of the heat, they survievd that (and the Pan-slavenistic  period as well and flied to Norway in the 50s)


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