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trackstoni 
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 Topic: Why Waters Left the Floyd's !!
Posted: July 11 2010 at 03:24 |
 Why Waters Left His Team in Your Opinion ! I Wasn't there ! But , I Would Like To Hear Yur Opinions ! 
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WalterDigsTunes
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Posted: July 11 2010 at 03:34 |
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Self-centered whiner with daddy issues decided he could moan alone.
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Posted: July 11 2010 at 03:45 |
Because his genius was underappreciated by his less talented band mates 
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Posted: July 11 2010 at 04:37 |
 WalterDigsTunes wrote:
Self-centered whiner with daddy issues decided he could moan alone. |
As Waters was considering a solo career, because his ideas were not getting much response (Wright was kicked out, Mason was racing cars and Gilmour objected to Roger's project, he also realized that his solo albums would never stand a chance and get recognition, while the Pink Floyd name was still alive . AZnd since (he thought) that he wxas the only contributing and writing songs since Animals
So in order to be widely accepted, it became obvious that he had to kill Floyd, much the same way Sting did with The Police.
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
rather than un-sheath our sword
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Posted: July 11 2010 at 05:21 |
Having read extensively on this subject, I've come to the following conclusions:
The Floyd as a band started to disintegrate after the success of Dark Side Of The Moon. As Waters himself I think put it, "Once you've cracked it, it's all over." Anyway. Wish You Were Here is a clear indication that things were starting to get tricky, with an apparent atmos in the studio of "nobody really looking anyone else in the eye". Animals is the breaking point really though. Rick Wright (RIP) was struggling with a drug habit and not really pulling his weight it seems, and by this time Mason may have just settled in for the ride. Gilmour & Waters were both still fully engaged I'd say, but starting to pull in different directions.
From there it was pretty much inevitable. True, Waters started to push out other people's material, but I think it wasn't just egomania - in his own way I think he was trying to keep quality control high. Having listened to both Gilmour & Wright's solo albums from 78, probably only a few songs might have made it onto a Floyd album even if Waters had been more accomodating.
The Wall settled it. Again, Waters probably felt he was carrying the lot of them by then. They lost enormous amounts of money through bad investments and were facing a huge tax bill and possible bankcruptcy it seems, and their next album had to be a big seller or else. Waters was the only one to come up with much material it seems and if he ranted a bit to get his own way, I'd say history favours him on this - the album made millions and saved their bacon without selling out (really, it was a risky album to realise when you need to make money).
After that he was always going to be top dog or nothing, really. In a way, can you blame him? After all, the final two Pink Floyd albums are nice, brilliant in places, but they do lack the emotional punch Waters carries with him.
Finally, I'd just like to say that if you grew up without a father figure, I'd say that qualifies you as being allowed to have a whinge. Doesn't seem to have done too much harm to Eminem's career either. In a way, it's better to have a whinge than to keep it all in and end up a loose cannon like Raoul Moat.
Do you know, I may have kicked something off here!
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Anthony
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Posted: July 11 2010 at 05:32 |
WalterDigsTunes wrote:
Self-centered whiner with daddy issues decided he could moan alone.
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Now wait a minute, I'm the one who usually says that!  
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Posted: July 11 2010 at 05:37 |
Did he leave? You can't leave a band that has been retired and doesn't exist.
Question should be why did he disband Pink Floyd.
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Anthony
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Posted: July 11 2010 at 05:38 |
Snow Dog wrote:
Did he leave? You can't leave a band that has been retired and doesn't exist.
Question should be why did he disband Pink Floyd. |
If we follow this logic, then Pink Floyd doesn't exist anymore ever since Syd left.
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Posted: July 11 2010 at 05:40 |
Anthony wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
Did he leave? You can't leave a band that has been retired and doesn't exist.
Question should be why did he disband Pink Floyd. |
If we follow this logic, then Pink Floyd doesn't exist anymore ever since Syd left. |
sigh
Syd left Floyd he didn't disband them.
I'm fed up with this.
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Posted: July 11 2010 at 05:44 |
^ Didn't Floyd leave Syd rather than Syd left Floyd? Anyway, who needs Floyd when we've got Flaming Lips?
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Anthony
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Posted: July 11 2010 at 05:44 |
Snow Dog wrote:
Anthony wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
Did he leave? You can't leave a band that has been retired and doesn't exist.
Question should be why did he disband Pink Floyd. |
If we follow this logic, then Pink Floyd doesn't exist anymore ever since Syd left. |
sigh
Syd left Floyd he didn't disband them.
I'm fed up with this. |
An Waters left and didn't disband Floyd either. He might have tried, but he failed miserably (as usual)
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Posted: July 11 2010 at 05:45 |
harmonium.ro wrote:
^ Didn't Floyd leave Syd rather than Syd left Floyd?
Anyway, who needs Floyd when we've got Flaming Lips?
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Who needs Floyd when we've got... (fill in ANY band name!)
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Posted: July 11 2010 at 06:13 |
Anthony wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
Anthony wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
Did he leave? You can't leave a band that has been retired and doesn't exist.
Question should be why did he disband Pink Floyd. |
If we follow this logic, then Pink Floyd doesn't exist anymore ever since Syd left. |
sigh
Syd left Floyd he didn't disband them.
I'm fed up with this. |
An Waters left and didn't disband Floyd either. He might have tried, but he failed miserably (as usual) |
But there were no members besides Waters.
Ok you have your truth I have mine.
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Posted: July 11 2010 at 06:18 |
Snow Dog wrote:
Anthony wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
Anthony wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
Did he leave? You can't leave a band that has been retired and doesn't exist.
Question should be why did he disband Pink Floyd. |
If we follow this logic, then Pink Floyd doesn't exist anymore ever since Syd left. |
sigh
Syd left Floyd he didn't disband them.
I'm fed up with this. |
An Waters left and didn't disband Floyd either. He might have tried, but he failed miserably (as usual) |
But there were no members besides Waters.
Ok you have your truth I have mine. |
Dream on! I'd like to see Waters do all those great guitar solos. He can't even play bass anyway.
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Posted: July 11 2010 at 06:54 |
Anthony wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
Anthony wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
Anthony wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
Did he leave? You can't leave a band that has been retired and doesn't exist.
Question should be why did he disband Pink Floyd. |
If we follow this logic, then Pink Floyd doesn't exist anymore ever since Syd left. |
sigh
Syd left Floyd he didn't disband them.
I'm fed up with this. |
An Waters left and didn't disband Floyd either. He might have tried, but he failed miserably (as usual) |
But there were no members besides Waters.
Ok you have your truth I have mine. |
Dream on! I'd like to see Waters do all those great guitar solos. He can't even play bass anyway. |
David Gilmour may have played great guitar solos but he wouldn't have had songs to play them if it wasn't for Roger writing them. Listen to his atmospheric bass playing in ''Careful with that axe Eugene'' and tell me he isn't a great bass player.
Edited by Adams Bolero - July 11 2010 at 07:01
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Posted: July 11 2010 at 07:37 |
Animals was an album built around two songs that didn't make it onto WYWH (Raving and Drooling" and "Gotta Be Crazy") with new songs written by Waters. Rick Wright observed that this was the beginning of Waters ego trips where he believed he was the sole writer for the band and the reason it was still going.
For the next album Water presented demos of two concepts to the band, one became The Wall and the other The Pros And Cons Of Hitch Hiking. It is impossible to tell whether Pros and Cons would have been more successful as a Pink Floyd album, but I think it is most likely given the comparative (chart) success of The Final Cut.
By all accounts the recording of The Final Cut was stressful for all concerned, including Michael Kamen who had worked with Floyd on The Wall and Waters on Pros And Cons. He would later go on to work with both Waters and Gilmour on their (live) solo careers and with Floyd on The Division Bell, one of the few from that time who managed that. The rift between Waters and the rest of the band was so vast that he considered releasing the album under his own name. It is evident from that that he considered the band "a spent force" at that time.
When Waters announced he was leaving and that meant the band was over. Gilmour's reaction was that he and Mason would continue without him.
A Momentary Lapse shows signs of the disruption caused by Waters and the legal battle that was fought during the recording. As far as Waters was concerned Pink Floyd had disbanded and Gilmour and Mason should not continue to record under that name, (for legal reasons Wright was not allowed to be a member of the band), and he was taking legal action to stop the recording. Not only did it affect Wright and Mason's ability to play (their contribution on the album is minimal), it also affected Gilmour's ability to write and dented his self-confidence in the whole process. To say that Lapse is a bad Floyd album would be inaccurate, that it was made at all is more significant. It also out-sold The Final Cut and Radio K.A.O.S. which again says something for the selling power of the name rather than its content.
I think The Division Bell reflects the more relaxed atmosphere in the band, even though the central theme of communication is a reference to the problems of seven years earlier, with songs like "What Do You Want From Me" and "Keep Talking". By this time, Water's criticism of the band seem more like sour grapes and sniping.
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Posted: July 11 2010 at 07:53 |
trackstoni wrote:
Why Waters Left His Team in Your Opinion ! I Wasn't there ! But , I Would Like To Hear Yur Opinions ! |
I think that the main reason is because he is a megalomaniac. All the time he was trying to concentrate the control over the overall band universe, more and more. I can understand that he was the concept designer of Pink Floyd. He brought the stronger ideas and the lyrics. But in a musical way he was mainly weak and repetitive.
He couldn’t accept different points o view. Finally The Final Cut is not a Pink Floyd album. As the cover says is a Requiem composed by Roger Waters and performed by Pink Floyd. Of course that his personality destroyed Wright and then Mason. He couldn’t destroyed Gilmour despite he maybe humiliated him in the Final Cut. He thought that he was the owner of the band and maybe that after a time he could survive it again only by his own. Time demonstrates that finally he loss the game.
As other bands (like Genesis) Pink Floyd shown their best when Waters, Gilmour and Wright joined their efforts in the songwriting. Dark side of the moon and Wish you were here demonstrates this clearly. If not see the ranks on this site. I think that Division Bell is much closer of the Pink Floyd sound than the Waters solo albums. Of course it lacks the underlying Waters concept, but musically is far better.
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Posted: July 11 2010 at 08:27 |
Originally posted by trackstoni
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Quote ( I think that the main reason is because he is a megalomaniac. All the time he was trying to concentrate the control over the overall band universe, more and more. I can understand that he was the concept designer of Pink Floyd. He brought the stronger ideas and the lyrics. But in a musical way he was mainly weak and repetitive. He couldn’t accept different points o view. Finally The Final Cut is not a Pink Floyd album. As the cover says is a Requiem composed by Roger Waters and performed by Pink Floyd. Of course that his personality destroyed Wright and then Mason. He couldn’t destroyed Gilmour despite he maybe humiliated him in the Final Cut. He thought that he was the owner of the band and maybe that after a time he could survive it again only by his own. Time demonstrates that finally he loss the game. As other bands (like Genesis) Pink Floyd shown their best when Waters, Gilmour and Wright joined their efforts in the songwriting. Dark side of the moon and Wish you were here demonstrates this clearly. If not see the ranks on this site. I think that Division Bell is much closer of the Pink Floyd sound than the Waters solo albums. Of course it lacks the underlying Waters concept, but musically is far better. ) Unquote
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Posted: July 11 2010 at 10:13 |
I think "Shine On You Crazy Diamond" best demonstrates what Pink Floyd can achieve with the input of all the members. It was possibly the zenith of their combined efforts, and remains my favorite track to this day. If, as others have posted, the relationships became strained and soured, then it is no anomaly in music, the arts, and humanity in general that it was impossible to continue together. Thankfully, Roger continues to tour and, I can say from experience, that he is every bit as good performing their material live as the whole group.
Edited by Ronnie Pilgrim - July 11 2010 at 10:24
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Posted: July 11 2010 at 10:23 |
Floyd after Waters  The name should never of .been used again . They where really just the David Gilmour Band and not really a very good one ether, Funny after Gilmour stopped using the Floyd name he finally made a good album On a Island .
Edited by Hawkwise - July 11 2010 at 10:26
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