The 432 hz effect.. please help!

Mr ProgFreak wrote: There's no difference - it's all relative. Why not use 441Hz, or 421Hz, or 445Hz? As long as the whole piece is in tune, I couldn't care less.

Mr ProgFreak wrote: ^ and how exactly do you measure listening pleasure?

Listening is never a pleasure, which is why I listen to prog.  Hours and hours of guaranteed listening agony.

Mr ProgFreak wrote: ^ well, how can you comment on the beauty of a painting if you can't measure it? Simple: You just do. I haven't read every post of this thread - but I don't have to. I'm pretty sure that none of the posts contains a perfect recipe for quantifying enjoyment of music.

Speaking of measuring paintings, I give you, Salvador Dali's masterworks...

http://www.salvadordalimuseum.org/collection/collection_highlights.html

Go for the really big ones.

The Discovery of America by Christopher Columbus (1958-1959) Dalí's tenth masterwork is The Discovery of America, completed in 1959. This work, which is almost 14 feet tall...
The Ecumenical Council (1960) This canvas honors Pope John XXIII for uniting the churches through the Ecumenical Council. The coronation of...
Galacidalacidesoxiribunucleicacid (Homage to Crick and Watson) (1963) This unusually titled work is called Galacidalacidesoxiribunucleicacid, and subtitled “Homage to Crick and Watson."...
The Hallucinogenic Toreador (1969-1970) Dalí conceived this painting while in an art supply store in 1968. In the body of Venus, on a box of Venus pencils,...

These four are amazing and may help you with the 432 Hertz rent-a-car affect.

http://www.salvadordalimuseum.org/


Edited by Slartibartfast - July 06 2010 at 05:33

^ well, how can you comment on the beauty of a painting if you can't measure it? Simple: You just do.

I haven't read every post of this thread - but I don't have to. I'm pretty sure that none of the posts contains a perfect recipe for quantifying enjoyment of music.

^ I'm sure scientologists have a device just for that!

^ and how exactly do you measure listening pleasure? 

friso wrote:   Yeah, but the Egyptians had a better science of the universe than the modern world until the mid nineties.

You can't seriously believe that, surely?

I am astonished.

Mr ProgFreak wrote: Certif1ed wrote: Mr ProgFreak wrote: There's no difference - it's all relative. Why not use 441Hz, or 421Hz, or 445Hz? As long as the whole piece is in tune, I couldn't care less.   Of course there's a difference - if the key pitch is different, the entire piece will sound different and have a different "flavour". This is something that J. S. Bach explored when he wrote the 48 preludes and fugues.   Recently, I heard a remaster of Led Zep II on the Quiex label, and hated it. I ran it back to back with my first pressing on the same system, to prove that it wasn't simply the equipment making it sound unfamiliar, and it turned out that it had been remastered at a slightly different speed, which raised the pitch by nearly a semitone.   This is the equivalent of making A > than whatever frequency was originally used, so the difference is entirely tangible.   You notice this because you have perfect pitch. I don't have it, and to me there is no discernable difference. Isn't it likely that you're simply used to a particular pitch, and that something sounds odd to you if it's slightly off that pitch? I don't think that there's any objective difference between 440 Hz and 432 Hz.

Edited by Certif1ed - July 05 2010 at 03:33

Did a vehicle

I listened to the samples again last night, starting with the 432 version, it was harder to tell the difference that way, I think, I can't say if it was any more relaxing or not though.

I did a bit of Internet research about Egyptians and resonance and unfortunately no academical research has surfaced, only, indeed, pseudo-science. All sorts of "experts" in "ancient spirituality" are "explaining" all sorts of stuff from religious rituals that are not actually documented to engineering, the end of the world and astrology... only quoting themselves, not academical research

Here's such a "scientist":



This dudette is actually a singer/musician whose most academic offering was the participation at a Da Vinci Code conference (?), her performance is now broadcasted on The Travel Channel. She is an "expert" in Mary Magdalene, Gnosticism and sound healing.

This extremely successful writer that comes across a lot when searching for Egyptians and resonance is a guy whose major concern is the "truth" in mythological civilizations and other history "mysteries". He's a sort of a more reasonable Erik von Daniken.

This guy is also concerned about astrology and immortality. One of his most "interesting" claims is that "the ‘meshing’ of the Egyptian calendars (the ‘civil’ and ‘stellar’) were the cause of momentous events in Ancient Egypt". However the representatives of "alternative history" (how these guys call themselves) are upset on him because they feel he is going to much from the occult to "orthodox" Egyptology.

Here's an intereting site which explains a lot

Etc, etc.

Of course the ancients believed in this stuff and called it "science". Their efforts to understand and explain cosmos, human being, destiny etc. are fascinating and are now studied as academically as cultural phenomena, not as science. Taking these ancient beliefs again and trying to sell them now as (occult) "science" like these "alternative" guys do is, like Petrovsk said, pseud-science, charlatanism. But that doesn't mean that the ancient's intuitive "science" didn't have good ideas, worth exploring today. "Sound therapy" is of course bull***t if it tries to heal diseases by playing the patient certain "cosmic" music based on the ratios extracted from the alignment of his planets , while studying the effect of sound over perception, therefore over neuro-processes and eventually over the possible effect on the body is indeed something scientifical.


Edited by harmonium.ro - July 02 2010 at 07:53