The 432 hz effect.. please help!

mono wrote: As we are all physically different, I find rather unplausible that a certain pitch would be globally considered as <place your feeling here>. One simple and true effect of sound waves (or waves in general) is the one of very low frequencies played at high level (which requires quite some power, and sometimes are impossible to reproduce). These make (no particular frequency values) our BODY (not the brain or any quirky "element") resonnate and have some interesting effects, like infrabass making the thorax shiver etc... The brown noise "idea" comes from here, and is not completely stupid, as different parts of our body, like any other object have resonnance frequencies (that are different for different body shapes of course), and these are funny to experiment with. I wouldn't be surprised if, after a day of experimentation in a lab that can reproduce 10- Hz frequencies, engineers could find a frequency that makes a particular subject lose blatter control :). For example, some sub-20Hz frequencies played "loud" (even if not audible) can make you feel veeery uncomfortable (physically) due to vibrations of some of your body parts (the biggest ones :) ).

Thorax shivering...you had reminded me of that...my friend used to play E chord(!)  on his Jazz bass (with active pickups) through old Acoustic amplifier, twice as big as my fridge. all the bass frequencies were boosted and volume cranked up to max. I had to grab myself by a neck...and my sight was blurry (not surprising, since the entire garage was vibrating, along with everything and everybody inside).

But those were cool times...10 minute Farfisa organ solo followed.

jplanet wrote: Your description of compression is correct (other than the use of the term clipping - you don't want anything to clip or you will get unwanted distortion),

Henry Plainview wrote: You can't just change A back to 432 hz because the rest of it wouldn't fit within equal temperment.

You simply shift all frequencies by a factor of 432/440 (multiply all frequencies by this factor) and all fits in. It's just a matter of reference. It's like moving the pitch bend wheel down veeeeeery slightly.
Is that it or did I get you wrong?

Henry Plainview wrote: First of all, friso, there was no one standard of tuning before 420 hz because of the wolf. There were countless numbers of them, which is what the Well Tempered Clavier is about, so it's not really a battle of old vs new. You can't just change A back to 432 hz because the rest of it wouldn't fit within equal temperment. And I have no idea why you're citing the Egyptians: they built a lot of cool things, but they weren't exactly the most level-headed civilization... I really can't tell the difference between the two videos. Maybe it's my crappy laptop speakers (and I cbfed to dig out my headphones), but the second actually sounds slightly higher than the first, rather than lower. In any case, I highly doubt that the vast majority of people have a sensitive enough ear to hear the difference of a third of a semitone, especially for non-musicians.

This wolf thing has totally nothing to do with it. I'm not talking about intervals within scales. I'm talking about complete scales played 8 Hz lower in frequency. A slightly lower pitch in general that is.

I did a bit of Internet research about Egyptians and resonance and unfortunately no academical research has surfaced, only, indeed, pseudo-science. All sorts of "experts" in "ancient spirituality" are "explaining" all sorts of stuff from religious rituals that are not actually documented to engineering, the end of the world and astrology... only quoting themselves, not academical research

Here's such a "scientist":



This dudette is actually a singer/musician whose most academic offering was the participation at a Da Vinci Code conference (?), her performance is now broadcasted on The Travel Channel. She is an "expert" in Mary Magdalene, Gnosticism and sound healing.

This extremely successful writer that comes across a lot when searching for Egyptians and resonance is a guy whose major concern is the "truth" in mythological civilizations and other history "mysteries". He's a sort of a more reasonable Erik von Daniken.

This guy is also concerned about astrology and immortality. One of his most "interesting" claims is that "the ‘meshing’ of the Egyptian calendars (the ‘civil’ and ‘stellar’) were the cause of momentous events in Ancient Egypt". However the representatives of "alternative history" (how these guys call themselves) are upset on him because they feel he is going to much from the occult to "orthodox" Egyptology.

Here's an intereting site which explains a lot

Etc, etc.

Of course the ancients believed in this stuff and called it "science". Their efforts to understand and explain cosmos, human being, destiny etc. are fascinating and are now studied as academically as cultural phenomena, not as science. Taking these ancient beliefs again and trying to sell them now as (occult) "science" like these "alternative" guys do is, like Petrovsk said, pseud-science, charlatanism. But that doesn't mean that the ancient's intuitive "science" didn't have good ideas, worth exploring today. "Sound therapy" is of course bull***t if it tries to heal diseases by playing the patient certain "cosmic" music based on the ratios extracted from the alignment of his planets , while studying the effect of sound over perception, therefore over neuro-processes and eventually over the possible effect on the body is indeed something scientifical.


Edited by harmonium.ro - July 02 2010 at 07:53

I listened to the samples again last night, starting with the 432 version, it was harder to tell the difference that way, I think, I can't say if it was any more relaxing or not though.

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Mr ProgFreak wrote: Certif1ed wrote: Mr ProgFreak wrote: There's no difference - it's all relative. Why not use 441Hz, or 421Hz, or 445Hz? As long as the whole piece is in tune, I couldn't care less.   Of course there's a difference - if the key pitch is different, the entire piece will sound different and have a different "flavour". This is something that J. S. Bach explored when he wrote the 48 preludes and fugues.   Recently, I heard a remaster of Led Zep II on the Quiex label, and hated it. I ran it back to back with my first pressing on the same system, to prove that it wasn't simply the equipment making it sound unfamiliar, and it turned out that it had been remastered at a slightly different speed, which raised the pitch by nearly a semitone.   This is the equivalent of making A > than whatever frequency was originally used, so the difference is entirely tangible.   You notice this because you have perfect pitch. I don't have it, and to me there is no discernable difference. Isn't it likely that you're simply used to a particular pitch, and that something sounds odd to you if it's slightly off that pitch? I don't think that there's any objective difference between 440 Hz and 432 Hz.

Edited by Certif1ed - July 05 2010 at 03:33

friso wrote:   Yeah, but the Egyptians had a better science of the universe than the modern world until the mid nineties.

You can't seriously believe that, surely?

I am astonished.