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TheClosing ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 11 2010 Status: Offline Points: 527 |
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http://www.thebodysoulconnection.com/EducationCenter/fight.html "When our fight or flight system is activated, we tend to perceive everything in our environment as a possible threat to our survival. By its very nature, the fight or flight system bypasses our rational mind—where our more well thought out beliefs exist—and moves us into "attack" mode. This state of alert causes us to perceive almost everything in our world as a possible threat to our survival. " I'd urge you to do a little more research into the the body, and mind before you talk in a condescending manner. |
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CinemaZebra ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 13 2010 Location: Ancient Rome Status: Offline Points: 6795 |
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JLocke ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: November 18 2007 Status: Offline Points: 4900 |
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![]() Now it's time to grow up. Here's the reality: people are intelligent. People are smarter than their fellow animals. People can tell the difference between right and wrong, and will often go against natural instinct because we have the ability to do so. By saying we are somehow incapable of morality without certain circumstances is basically saying that we are all stupid and can't take control of our own lives. It doesn't work that way. Just because we are animals biologically does not mean we have to behave like animals. We ARE better than that, and we ARE inherently good, in my view. And yes, people do steal out of desperation, but it doesn't mean they are unaware of how wrong it is. And no matter how many folks do it, I guarantee you twice as many desperate people still do the honest thing over committing a crime. That's where we differ most, I expect. You don't trust your fellow human being; I do. I believe most of us will make the right choice, even in the darkest of circumstances. Perhaps not in a third world country where bloodshed and violence is an everyday occurance, but here in the civilized world, there are plenty of alternatives to crime, even for these animalistic, mindless poor people you speak so lowly of.
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Epignosis ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: December 30 2007 Location: Raeford, NC Status: Offline Points: 32553 |
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I'm so glad you know both what my perception of good and evil are and what the biblical perception of good and evil are. I'm actually flattered you find them to be the same. I believe the Bible is God's Word, by the way. That said, stealing isn't the most common crime. I think that is speeding. Also, people don't steal because they are starving. TVs, guns, perfume and cosmetics, cell phones and iPods are not edible. If you argue these items are sold to buy food, that is foolishness. Otherwise, why not f**king steal food? Grocery stores are easier to steal from than hi-tech stores and pawn shops. |
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Equality 7-2521 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August 11 2005 Location: Philly Status: Offline Points: 15784 |
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To think this thread was once about cops tasering a granny.
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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TheClosing ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 11 2010 Status: Offline Points: 527 |
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And there most certainly are people in this country who steal out of desperation. More than you know it seems.
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CinemaZebra ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 13 2010 Location: Ancient Rome Status: Offline Points: 6795 |
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JLocke ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: November 18 2007 Status: Offline Points: 4900 |
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Again, you're wrong. You said a person's perception of right and wrong is somehow different when they are starving. Even if I would steal out of desperation (which by the way, in this country and time makes absolutely no sense), I would still know what I was doing was wrong. My perception would stay the same, and I would be remorseful, despite my action. EDIT: A Person beat me to it.
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A Person ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 10 2008 Location: __ Status: Offline Points: 65760 |
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I don't think the perception necessarily changes, I think more of the motivation behind their actions that does.
*scampers back into the dark* Edited by A Person - June 27 2010 at 21:01 |
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TheClosing ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 11 2010 Status: Offline Points: 527 |
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Like I said your perception of evil is as black, and white as the bible. I never said anything about murder or rape. I was strictly speaking of the most common "crime", stealing. Since everyone seems to have forgotten what was said:
The point I was attempting to get across remains the exact same. |
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JLocke ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: November 18 2007 Status: Offline Points: 4900 |
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Uh . . . no it doesn't. It's entirely different. You are comparing a third world country with issues you nor I could ever possibly comprehend with the common poor person in America. How could you be so obtuse about such a thing?
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Finnforest ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 03 2007 Location: The Heartland Status: Offline Points: 17309 |
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I gotta get this damn Wind and Wuthering review finished. And you guys are time-sucking me
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...that moment you realize you like "Mob Rules" better than "Heaven and Hell"
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Epignosis ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: December 30 2007 Location: Raeford, NC Status: Offline Points: 32553 |
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Yes I would. And I would still be doing evil. See? Not so hard. Do you really think people murder and rape and drink and drive and vandalize because they will starve if they don't? gtfo |
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Finnforest ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 03 2007 Location: The Heartland Status: Offline Points: 17309 |
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Totally wrong. ![]() |
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...that moment you realize you like "Mob Rules" better than "Heaven and Hell"
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JJLehto ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Tallahassee, FL Status: Offline Points: 34550 |
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Worst part is, cant say we havnt heard stuff like this before.
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JLocke ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: November 18 2007 Status: Offline Points: 4900 |
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Since when did this turn into a feed the children commercial? I don't recall anybody here even making a mention of the atrocities going on in the less well-off countries. We were discussing whether or not poor people in America are crooks. Are you so unable to stay on point that you have to grasp at straws from entirely different topics to attempt (and fail) to make a point? Edited by JLocke - June 27 2010 at 20:43 |
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Finnforest ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 03 2007 Location: The Heartland Status: Offline Points: 17309 |
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Wrong. Comments like that give people the tools and strength to make it in the world, and they will. Rather than making them dependents of the state. I've seen both ways of addressing poverty. One works. One doesn't. And again, I'm talking US cities here, not the third world. |
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...that moment you realize you like "Mob Rules" better than "Heaven and Hell"
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TheClosing ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 11 2010 Status: Offline Points: 527 |
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Finnforest ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 03 2007 Location: The Heartland Status: Offline Points: 17309 |
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Dude, we're not talking about that (at least I'm not).
I'm talking about the USA in 2010, and our idea of poverty. Not starving kids in Africa or wherever that is. Perhaps that's why we're arguing here. There is a big difference between what you and I were apparently thinking. |
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...that moment you realize you like "Mob Rules" better than "Heaven and Hell"
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WalterDigsTunes ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: September 11 2007 Location: SanDiegoTijuana Status: Offline Points: 4373 |
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Comments like that justify turning a blind eye to society's structural flaws (let alone addressing them). |
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