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    Posted: June 27 2010 at 07:03

Officers taser 86-year-old disabled woman in her bed: lawsuit

By Daniel Tencer
Friday, June 25th, 2010 -- 4:37 pm

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One of the police officers named in a lawsuit over the tasering of a bed-ridden 86-year-old woman says the grandmother threatened officers with a knife.

"Police have admitted using a Taser to incapacitate the suicidal woman Dec. 22," reports the Oklahoman. "Officer Duran wrote in a police report she pulled a kitchen knife from under her pillow and threatened to kill him. 'I tried talking to Varner and calm her down but nothing would work,' he reported."

Duran said in his police report that Lona Varner, 86, raised the knife above her head and said, "If you come any closer, you're getting the k 

 

Officer 's rationale: Bed-ridden grandmother 'took more aggressive stance' in her bed

When Lonnie Tinsley of El Reno, Oklahoma, called 911 to ask for medical assistance for his disabled, bed-ridden grandmother, he couldn't have dreamed it would end with police tasering the 86-year-old woman twice, stepping on her oxygen hose until she couldn't breathe, and sending her to a psychiatric hospital for six days.

Yet that's what a lawsuit (PDF) filed in a federal court in Oklahoma this week alleges.

According to the lawsuit, in December, 2009, Tinsley came by his grandmother's apartment to see if she was doing alright in the midst of a winter storm. When she wasn't able to tell him if she had taken her medication, Tinsley called 911 and asked responders to send medical technicians over to evaluate her.

But instead of an ambulance, the lawsuit alleges, "as many as 10 El Reno police" arrived and "pushed their way through the door."

At that point, 86-year-old Lona Varner told police to "get out of her apartment." That's when officer Thomas Duran, described in the lawsuit as the "leader" of the police unit, allegedly told another officer to "taser her."

When Tinsley responded "Don't tase my granny!" the officers threatened to taser him instead, the lawsuit states.

In his police report, officer Durgan asserted that Varner "took a more aggressive posture in her bed," evidently causing him to fear for his and his officers' lives.

Police then handcuffed Tinsley and took him to a waiting squad car. They released him without charge some time later. Meanwhile, the lawsuit alleges, officers "stepped on [Varner's] oxygen hose until she began to suffer oxygen deprivation."

Officers then fired a taser at her, hitting her twice, causing her to pass out, the lawsuit states.

At the direction of El Reno police, Varner was sent to the psychiatric ward of St. Anthony's Hospital in Oklahoma City, where she was held for six days.

The lawsuit, which names the city of El Reno and 13 police officers as defendants, alleges that Varner's rights were violated under the Fourth and 14th Amendments to the US Constitution, and that "the defendants caused the plaintiffs to be wrongfully seized, assaulted, battered, physically harmed, humiliated [and] emotionally harmed."



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 27 2010 at 09:15
What the f**kING f**k?!? This made me shed a tear, seriously. These f**king fa****s are f**king stupid. She probably didn't threaten or anything, it's just a f**king lame excuse for tasing her. Stupid f**king cops like this deserve to rot in hell.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 27 2010 at 13:22

Sad story, but I hope you realize that not all of the police are like this and 95% of them are responsible citizens who are just doing their job.  I don't know what your intention was, but I really get tired of criticism of the entire police force based on a few corrupt cops.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 27 2010 at 13:26
Originally posted by UndercoverBoy UndercoverBoy wrote:

Sad story, but I hope you realize that not all of the police are like this and 95% of them are responsible citizens who are just doing their job.  I don't know what your intention was, but I really get tired of criticism of the entire police force based on a few corrupt cops.



It's sad I don't hear stories like "Police bust major drug deal", and more like "Cop tazes 85 year old woman and steps on her oxygen tube until she can't breathe"

f**k people like him.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 27 2010 at 13:28
Because police busting major drug deals don't sell and grab interest like these stories.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 27 2010 at 13:33
Originally posted by UndercoverBoy UndercoverBoy wrote:

I hope you realize that not all of the police are like this and 95% of them are responsible citizens who are just doing their job.  I don't know what your intention was, but I really get tired of criticism of the entire police force based on a few corrupt cops.
 

This. Besides, I'm not going to make any judgements off of alleged statements. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 27 2010 at 13:34
Originally posted by UndercoverBoy UndercoverBoy wrote:

Because police busting major drug deals don't sell and grab interest like these stories.

This. It's all about media and money. Notice how news stories that are bad news are always more abundant than good news? It's not that bad things happen a lot more than good things, it's that bad news does a better job at capturing the reader's attention.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 27 2010 at 13:42
In my old neighborhood, there were 26 bustings of meth labs.  I have never heard any stories in my city about corrupt cops like these.  Recently, our mayor decided to lay off thirty cops, and my friends and family went to her house to protest.  Unsurprisingly, the meth usage in Tulsa has gone up considerably since they were laid off.  Why don't these cops get more attention yet the few bad ones get all the coverage?  Money, that's what.
 
I can't speak for markosherrera, but based on this previous thread, I seriously doubt he cares as much for the victim as he cares for stirring up fear and hatred for the police force.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 27 2010 at 13:48
What's wrong with calling out the abuse of authority?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 27 2010 at 13:49
Nothing is.  What's wrong is typecasting the entire police force based on the few bad apples, which isn't too uncommon.  Are there corrupt cops?  Yes.  Was what these cops did wrong?  Absolutely!  Are all cops like this?  Absolutely not.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 27 2010 at 13:50
Maybe the cops were trying to defribullator the old lady.  'CLEAR!'

You hear something like this every couple of months. The cops tazzing an old person.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 27 2010 at 13:52
Originally posted by markosherrera markosherrera wrote:

Officers taser 86-year-old disabled woman in her bed: lawsuit

By Daniel Tencer
Friday, June 25th, 2010 -- 4:37 pm

tasergun   Officers taser 86 year old disabled woman in her bed: lawsuit

 

One of the police officers named in a lawsuit over the tasering of a bed-ridden 86-year-old woman says the grandmother threatened officers with a knife.

"Police have admitted using a Taser to incapacitate the suicidal woman Dec. 22," reports the Oklahoman. "Officer Duran wrote in a police report she pulled a kitchen knife from under her pillow and threatened to kill him. 'I tried talking to Varner and calm her down but nothing would work,' he reported."

Duran said in his police report that Lona Varner, 86, raised the knife above her head and said, "If you come any closer, you're getting the k 

 

Officer 's rationale: Bed-ridden grandmother 'took more aggressive stance' in her bed

When Lonnie Tinsley of El Reno, Oklahoma, called 911 to ask for medical assistance for his disabled, bed-ridden grandmother, he couldn't have dreamed it would end with police tasering the 86-year-old woman twice, stepping on her oxygen hose until she couldn't breathe, and sending her to a psychiatric hospital for six days.

Yet that's what a lawsuit (PDF) filed in a federal court in Oklahoma this week alleges.

According to the lawsuit, in December, 2009, Tinsley came by his grandmother's apartment to see if she was doing alright in the midst of a winter storm. When she wasn't able to tell him if she had taken her medication, Tinsley called 911 and asked responders to send medical technicians over to evaluate her.

But instead of an ambulance, the lawsuit alleges, "as many as 10 El Reno police" arrived and "pushed their way through the door."

At that point, 86-year-old Lona Varner told police to "get out of her apartment." That's when officer Thomas Duran, described in the lawsuit as the "leader" of the police unit, allegedly told another officer to "taser her."

When Tinsley responded "Don't tase my granny!" the officers threatened to taser him instead, the lawsuit states.

In his police report, officer Durgan asserted that Varner "took a more aggressive posture in her bed," evidently causing him to fear for his and his officers' lives.

Police then handcuffed Tinsley and took him to a waiting squad car. They released him without charge some time later. Meanwhile, the lawsuit alleges, officers "stepped on [Varner's] oxygen hose until she began to suffer oxygen deprivation."

Officers then fired a taser at her, hitting her twice, causing her to pass out, the lawsuit states.

At the direction of El Reno police, Varner was sent to the psychiatric ward of St. Anthony's Hospital in Oklahoma City, where she was held for six days.

The lawsuit, which names the city of El Reno and 13 police officers as defendants, alleges that Varner's rights were violated under the Fourth and 14th Amendments to the US Constitution, and that "the defendants caused the plaintiffs to be wrongfully seized, assaulted, battered, physically harmed, humiliated [and] emotionally harmed."



Because reported allegations = what actually happened (in the minds of the public).


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 27 2010 at 13:57
Originally posted by The Runaway The Runaway wrote:

Originally posted by UndercoverBoy UndercoverBoy wrote:

Sad story, but I hope you realize that not all of the police are like this and 95% of them are responsible citizens who are just doing their job.  I don't know what your intention was, but I really get tired of criticism of the entire police force based on a few corrupt cops.



It's sad I don't hear stories like "Police bust major drug deal", and more like "Cop tazes 85 year old woman and steps on her oxygen tube until she can't breathe"

f**k people like him.

If it makes you feel any better I get just as disgusted when I hear of police busting drug deals as I do when I read a deplorable story like this.

Why don't you hear the positive stories? You do actually, when they're large, monumental things. However, "Cops bust drug dealer", isn't a story, its just a group of people doing their job. You may as well run the headlines "Payless employee sells Converse sneakers.", "Crossing guard stops traffic.". Why would you report when somebody just does what they're supposed to do.

However, a story like this obviously deserves attention precisely because it shows cops not doing their job, exceeding their authority. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 27 2010 at 13:58
Originally posted by UndercoverBoy UndercoverBoy wrote:

Nothing is.  What's wrong is typecasting the entire police force based on the few bad apples, which isn't too uncommon.  Are there corrupt cops?  Yes.  Was what these cops did wrong?  Absolutely!  Are all cops like this?  Absolutely not.

Are all cops like this? No.

Are most cops like this? Maybe.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 27 2010 at 14:02
Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

Originally posted by UndercoverBoy UndercoverBoy wrote:

Nothing is.  What's wrong is typecasting the entire police force based on the few bad apples, which isn't too uncommon.  Are there corrupt cops?  Yes.  Was what these cops did wrong?  Absolutely!  Are all cops like this?  Absolutely not.

Are all cops like this? No.

Are most cops like this? Maybe.
Really?  So you think that a story like this that pops up every few months is an accurate representation of all the police.  And you said you find police busting drug deals to be just as deplorable.  Okay, I can understand why one may have a problem arresting a kid selling pot to his friends, but do you think that twenty six meth labs belong in any society?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 27 2010 at 14:04
Originally posted by UndercoverBoy UndercoverBoy wrote:

Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

Originally posted by UndercoverBoy UndercoverBoy wrote:

Nothing is.  What's wrong is typecasting the entire police force based on the few bad apples, which isn't too uncommon.  Are there corrupt cops?  Yes.  Was what these cops did wrong?  Absolutely!  Are all cops like this?  Absolutely not.

Are all cops like this? No.

Are most cops like this? Maybe.
Really?  So you think that a story like this that pops up every few months is an accurate representation of all the police.  And you said you find police busting drug deals to be just as deplorable.  Okay, I can understand why one may have a problem arresting a kid selling pot to his friends, but do you think that twenty six meth labs belong in any society?


That's not what he meant.  He meant it doesn't deserve coverage.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 27 2010 at 14:05
Okay, that may have been a little over the line, but I'm still shocked that he would find the busting of drug deals to be as disgusting as this story.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 27 2010 at 14:10
Originally posted by UndercoverBoy UndercoverBoy wrote:

Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

Originally posted by UndercoverBoy UndercoverBoy wrote:

Nothing is.  What's wrong is typecasting the entire police force based on the few bad apples, which isn't too uncommon.  Are there corrupt cops?  Yes.  Was what these cops did wrong?  Absolutely!  Are all cops like this?  Absolutely not.

Are all cops like this? No.

Are most cops like this? Maybe.
Really?  So you think that a story like this that pops up every few months is an accurate representation of all the police.  And you said you find police busting drug deals to be just as deplorable.  Okay, I can understand why one may have a problem arresting a kid selling pot to his friends, but do you think that twenty six meth labs belong in any society?

Did I say all or did I say most? Did I give an affirmative answer to the question? Obviously I don't know. Also obviously, neither do you, but I don't see why we should assume that its a minority of policemen. My personal experience would dictate that most cops I've encountered arbitrarily abuse their powers. 

And I guess society doesn't need them; I find that to be a strange question. Does society need to forbid them? Certainly not. I object to it on both practical and principled reasons. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 27 2010 at 14:12
Originally posted by UndercoverBoy UndercoverBoy wrote:

Okay, that may have been a little over the line, but I'm still shocked that he would find the busting of drug deals to be as disgusting as this story.


Again, I think you are misunderstanding.  I think he's saying (correct me if I'm wrong Pat) that he does not think drug bust stories should be reported.  It disgusts him before he doesn't think it should be reported.

I disagree to an extent  (Police catching a serial killer is them doing their job, but it damn well should be reported).

Funny how my comment (which I think is quite important when it comes to the media) has gone overlooked.  Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 27 2010 at 14:14
Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by UndercoverBoy UndercoverBoy wrote:

Okay, that may have been a little over the line, but I'm still shocked that he would find the busting of drug deals to be as disgusting as this story.


Again, I think you are misunderstanding.  I think he's saying (correct me if I'm wrong Pat) that he does not think drug bust stories should be reported.  It disgusts him before he doesn't think it should be reported.

I disagree to an extent  (Police catching a serial killer is them doing their job, but it damn well should be reported).

Funny how my comment (which I think is quite important when it comes to the media) has gone overlooked.  Wink

You're both right I guess. I'm saying it shouldn't be reported, but also that I find prosecuting people for drug use/selling/making to be wrong.
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