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StrengthandWisdom 
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Posted: May 14 2010 at 12:50 |
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I don't want to give up on music, but I am interested in ALL styles. I am learning the keyboard/piano. I'm not that interested in Jazz/Blues or Classical but I am really interested in Progressive, Psychedelic, Electronic, industrial and Synthpop...
I want to do singing as well, if anything I think I would like to be a multi-instrumentalist while creating drum loops with a synthesizer for drums.. and maybe bass too. I'll probably end up doing voice,keyboards, and guitar eventually.
Richard Wright makes good synth sounds, but he's not a very good player, and I don't know if he learned Piano first or not.
Man, I'm at a huge stop, I don't know where to go with music. I am going to keep learning keyboards though, and I don't want to give up. Its just nothing about classical or jazz piano excites me anymore. I don't know what kind of music I'll end up writing or producing once I DO learn, but maybe it will come back to me awhile later.
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Posted: May 14 2010 at 13:38 |
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Please, please please don't use a drum machine/fake bass. Once you're more prepared to play/make actual music, my advice is to find a real drummer/bassist to play with you. Along with making the music sound more authentic, playing with others also really helps develop your skills further. I noticed myself improving a lot more when I had friends to jam with regularly than I am now.
So I guess my main piece of advice is to try finding friends/other musicians to play with. It's so much more fun IMO than playing alone.
Edited by SaltyJon - May 14 2010 at 13:39
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The Runaway
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Posted: May 15 2010 at 10:32 |
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I keep wanting to make the greatest E-musical-project but I have yet to have found my musical collaborator. I need a good keyboard player... *hint hint*
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Chicapah
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Posted: May 15 2010 at 15:18 |
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My advice is to absorb every kind of music that makes you feel something and never limit yourself by what others might think of what you listen to. Your creative brain will eventually process it all and a brand of music that is all your own will eventually emerge when you are ready to play it. Be patient.
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: May 15 2010 at 17:49 |
 Chicapah wrote:
My advice is to absorb every kind of music that makes you feel something and never limit yourself by what others might think of what you listen to. Your creative brain will eventually process it all and a brand of music that is all your own will eventually emerge when you are ready to play it. Be patient. |
That is very good advice. I think some of the best new artists these days have put a lot of stuff in their mental Cuisinarts through listening and are making rather interesting creations.
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Posted: May 15 2010 at 21:02 |
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You should learn both jazz and classical piano.... the classical side will give you the technique you need to express yourself musically and the jazz will give you the freedom to express yourself in any style you want to...
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StrengthandWisdom
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Posted: May 16 2010 at 23:37 |
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I see. I'm going to work on getting back into lessons, but by no means am I learning by that damn Alfred's Basic Piano Course book again.. I bought the books myself and had my piano teacher help me go through it. I got bored.
Alfred's sucks, don't use it. Just have the piano teacher use their method of instruction.
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Posted: June 08 2010 at 10:56 |
The study aspect is difficult enough. I remember all the whining classical guitar players did when they had to practice a scale in order to perfect a Paginini or Bach piece. 15 hours a day was my study time on classical guitar. 5 hours of warming up on Andrea Segovia's book of scales , 5 hours of working out a piece, and 5 hours in the evening when I lit candles and performed in my living room. This went on for 2 years arriving to some kind of level (I don't know what), but later when I wrote progressive rock, just being on that level in classical guided me through my compositions.
What is it about Classical music that dis-interests you? Some of the styles? I think I can understand to a large degree even.......but with a 20th century composer like Holst? I don't think so. I heard all sorts of prog bands in the early 70's but never heard Holst....The Planets. Finally when I did...I was amazed how the early progressive bands like Yes and King Crimson and many more were directly stealing from Holst. It could be thought of in terms of adapting but the emulation is quite obvious to a ridiculous degree. Great prog musicians were influenced by classical composers no doubt but, what if the masters had not exsisted? Obviously then prog would not have the sound and style that fans love. Think of it this way...if you play progressive rock, you will no doubt be playing classical modes or even the clear influence of Paginini in Metal is what challenges speed metal guitarists. It's the Paginini aspect to it that many struggle with. Most of what has been written in notation in the European classical music world has been adapted to western culture in various musical forms. It's difficult when you just don't like it but, on the other hand I have yet to see another Johann Sebastian Bach appear before our eyes..so, what choice do we have really except to follow the masters do a degree? It's not such a bad thing when originality of a prog artist derives from that foundation.
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Posted: June 08 2010 at 13:22 |
Music is a lifelong journey, don't be in a rush to learn it in 5 minutes - relax, take your time and enjoy it 
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Conor Fynes
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Posted: June 08 2010 at 13:27 |
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Im having a similiar problem.. Im trying to make music but dont know where to start..
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Posted: June 08 2010 at 13:56 |
Conor Fynes wrote:
Im having a similiar problem.. Im trying to make music but dont know where to start.. |
Just after the clefs. 
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Posted: June 08 2010 at 18:08 |
Epignosis wrote:
Conor Fynes wrote:
Im having a similiar problem.. Im trying to make music but dont know where to start.. |
Just after the clefs.
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Hahahaha 
Epignosis, I'd actually be interested in your serious opinion though... Seeing as you released something which from what I've heard (samples & no shadow of turning) is pretty awesome.
My only album is 'Recordungs' 
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Posted: June 14 2010 at 12:11 |
Conor Fynes wrote:
Im having a similiar problem.. Im trying to make music but dont know where to start.. |
Write something and record it. If you think it sucks, then put it on file and write another piece. If you find the new piece lack-luster, then start the process over again. If the 3rd piece fails to impress you, then trace back through excepts of the first 2 pieces picking out the best ideas for the 3rd piece. Combine all three and reconstruct the idea's. See if a true interesting composition begins to form. Some might think to ask.....Why not just record idea's instead of pieces? Because if you record pieces, certain elements combined or certain overdubs of instruments will inspire something divine where going back to listen just to ideas lacks for inspiration growth. Whether your piece is good or bad, it does not matter....You want to be able to hear guitar signature melody lines or certain chord changes within your song. That gives you more freedom. So your pulling ideas from other songs and re-writing their structure into a new song.
Fripp was asked "Don't you think that various songs like "Fracture', "Red', or even Larks Tongues have a great simulation in the writing form"?.......Fripp answered.....No. Maybe I wanted to use idea's that were reminiscent of others I had written before.
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Posted: June 14 2010 at 12:26 |
Conor Fynes wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Conor Fynes wrote:
Im having a similiar problem.. Im trying to make music but dont know where to start.. |
Just after the clefs.
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Hahahaha
Epignosis, I'd actually be interested in your serious opinion though... Seeing as you released something which from what I've heard (samples & no shadow of turning) is pretty awesome.
My only album is 'Recordungs' |
Well thank you. I appreciate that.
Most of my favorite things I've done just came from placing my fingers in random places on the guitar and seeing what it sounded like. If I liked it, I'd find something to go before or after it, and work that way until I had something fairly interesting and had never heard before. Then I'd write a song around it. I would build the arrangement over time and it would acquire new passages. The trick is to be patient, I think- if ideas weren't forthcoming, I would move on to something else or stop playing altogether.
Also, playing in groups and playing different styles of music makes for very valuable experience.
I honestly don't have much advice, really- I'm fairly new to this game myself.
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: June 14 2010 at 18:52 |
Have you tried stomping on it until it works? That's my stock answer to anything and I plan to use it until I have to put on the floor and stomp on it until it works.  "Everything looks better with a dent in it." Keith Moon (I think)
Edited by Slartibartfast - June 14 2010 at 18:53
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted: June 14 2010 at 18:57 |
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A good method to bring about creativity on the guitar is to play it in alternate tunings. That way you won't get stuck in all the same patterns, scales, harmonies etc. because you won't know how to play them
Some good ones are (low to high) DADGAD, DADFAE, DGDGBE, GGCEAE (2 lowest strings in unison)
especially with an acoustic guitar for sweet droning action!
Edited by Captain Clutch - June 14 2010 at 18:57
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Posted: June 15 2010 at 11:28 |
Epignosis wrote:
Conor Fynes wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Conor Fynes wrote:
Im having a similiar problem.. Im trying to make music but dont know where to start.. |
Just after the clefs.
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Hahahaha
Epignosis, I'd actually be interested in your serious opinion though... Seeing as you released something which from what I've heard (samples & no shadow of turning) is pretty awesome.
My only album is 'Recordungs' |
Well thank you. I appreciate that.
Most of my favorite things I've done just came from placing my fingers in random places on the guitar and seeing what it sounded like. If I liked it, I'd find something to go before or after it, and work that way until I had something fairly interesting and had never heard before.
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This is what Miles Davis did.
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: June 15 2010 at 13:35 |
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On a serious uhm note, check out some Fred Frith. Guitar Solos or Clearing.
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Posted: June 16 2010 at 06:42 |
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One intersting place to start with is the sound and timber of your instrument (or one of them). Just experiment with it until you go: "Ah... this sounds interesting and new!".
Or, without any actual instrument, start imagining/improvising melodies or ambiances in your head (your head has everything you need in terms of sounds and technical abilites, so... no limitations!) and then try to reproduce as you can that idea with what you have.
Just dropping a few tips I use myself, these might not work for everyone.
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Posted: June 17 2010 at 10:51 |
When your hurdle is getting started, just push out a rough draft, knowing that you will revise it later. This process got alot of term papers done for me and is how I do most of my lyrics. I do alot of lyric revisions, and often find that some of that quick stuff yields some interesting results when rearranged and revised.
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