I don't know what the hell I should do with music
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Topic: I don't know what the hell I should do with music
Posted By: StrengthandWisdom
Subject: I don't know what the hell I should do with music
Date Posted: May 14 2010 at 12:50
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I don't want to give up on music, but I am interested in ALL styles. I am learning the keyboard/piano. I'm not that interested in Jazz/Blues or Classical but I am really interested in Progressive, Psychedelic, Electronic, industrial and Synthpop... I want to do singing as well, if anything I think I would like to be a multi-instrumentalist while creating drum loops with a synthesizer for drums.. and maybe bass too. I'll probably end up doing voice,keyboards, and guitar eventually. Richard Wright makes good synth sounds, but he's not a very good player, and I don't know if he learned Piano first or not. Man, I'm at a huge stop, I don't know where to go with music. I am going to keep learning keyboards though, and I don't want to give up. Its just nothing about classical or jazz piano excites me anymore. I don't know what kind of music I'll end up writing or producing once I DO learn, but maybe it will come back to me awhile later. |
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Posted By: SaltyJon
Date Posted: May 14 2010 at 13:38
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Please, please please don't use a drum machine/fake bass. Once you're more prepared to play/make actual music, my advice is to find a real drummer/bassist to play with you. Along with making the music sound more authentic, playing with others also really helps develop your skills further. I noticed myself improving a lot more when I had friends to jam with regularly than I am now. So I guess my main piece of advice is to try finding friends/other musicians to play with. It's so much more fun IMO than playing alone. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Salty_Jon" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: The Runaway
Date Posted: May 15 2010 at 10:32
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I keep wanting to make the greatest E-musical-project but I have yet to have found my musical collaborator. I need a good keyboard player... *hint hint* ------------- http://www.formspring.me/Aragorn224" rel="nofollow - Trendsetter win! The search for nonexistent perfection. |
Posted By: Chicapah
Date Posted: May 15 2010 at 15:18
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My advice is to absorb every kind of music that makes you feel something and never limit yourself by what others might think of what you listen to. Your creative brain will eventually process it all and a brand of music that is all your own will eventually emerge when you are ready to play it. Be patient. ------------- "Literature is well enough, as a time-passer, and for the improvement and general elevation and purification of mankind, but it has no practical value" - Mark Twain |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: May 15 2010 at 17:49
That is very good advice. I think some of the best new artists these days have put a lot of stuff in their mental Cuisinarts through listening and are making rather interesting creations. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Chicapah wrote:Posted By: ProgressiveAttic
Date Posted: May 15 2010 at 21:02
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You should learn both jazz and classical piano.... the classical side will give you the technique you need to express yourself musically and the jazz will give you the freedom to express yourself in any style you want to... ------------- Michael's Sonic Kaleidoscope Mondays 5:00pm EST(re-runs Thursdays 3:00pm) @ Delicious Agony Progressive Rock Radio(http://www.deliciousagony.com) 
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Posted By: StrengthandWisdom
Date Posted: May 16 2010 at 23:37
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I see. I'm going to work on getting back into lessons, but by no means am I learning by that damn Alfred's Basic Piano Course book again.. I bought the books myself and had my piano teacher help me go through it. I got bored. Alfred's sucks, don't use it. Just have the piano teacher use their method of instruction. |
Posted By: TODDLER
Date Posted: June 08 2010 at 10:56
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The study aspect is difficult enough. I remember all the whining classical guitar players did when they had to practice a scale in order to perfect a Paginini or Bach piece. 15 hours a day was my study time on classical guitar. 5 hours of warming up on Andrea Segovia's book of scales , 5 hours of working out a piece, and 5 hours in the evening when I lit candles and performed in my living room. This went on for 2 years arriving to some kind of level (I don't know what), but later when I wrote progressive rock, just being on that level in classical guided me through my compositions.
What is it about Classical music that dis-interests you? Some of the styles? I think I can understand to a large degree even.......but with a 20th century composer like Holst? I don't think so. I heard all sorts of prog bands in the early 70's but never heard Holst....The Planets. Finally when I did...I was amazed how the early progressive bands like Yes and King Crimson and many more were directly stealing from Holst. It could be thought of in terms of adapting but the emulation is quite obvious to a ridiculous degree. Great prog musicians were influenced by classical composers no doubt but, what if the masters had not exsisted? Obviously then prog would not have the sound and style that fans love. Think of it this way...if you play progressive rock, you will no doubt be playing classical modes or even the clear influence of Paginini in Metal is what challenges speed metal guitarists. It's the Paginini aspect to it that many struggle with. Most of what has been written in notation in the European classical music world has been adapted to western culture in various musical forms. It's difficult when you just don't like it but, on the other hand I have yet to see another Johann Sebastian Bach appear before our eyes..so, what choice do we have really except to follow the masters do a degree? It's not such a bad thing when originality of a prog artist derives from that foundation. |
Posted By: mystic fred
Date Posted: June 08 2010 at 13:22
Music is a lifelong journey, don't be in a rush to learn it in 5 minutes - relax, take your time and enjoy it 
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Posted By: Conor Fynes
Date Posted: June 08 2010 at 13:27
| Im having a similiar problem.. Im trying to make music but dont know where to start.. |
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: June 08 2010 at 13:56
Just after the clefs.  ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: Conor Fynes
Date Posted: June 08 2010 at 18:08
Epignosis, I'd actually be interested in your serious opinion though... Seeing as you released something which from what I've heard (samples & no shadow of turning) is pretty awesome.
My only album is 'Recordungs'
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Posted By: TODDLER
Date Posted: June 14 2010 at 12:11
Write something and record it. If you think it sucks, then put it on file and write another piece. If you find the new piece lack-luster, then start the process over again. If the 3rd piece fails to impress you, then trace back through excepts of the first 2 pieces picking out the best ideas for the 3rd piece. Combine all three and reconstruct the idea's. See if a true interesting composition begins to form. Some might think to ask.....Why not just record idea's instead of pieces? Because if you record pieces, certain elements combined or certain overdubs of instruments will inspire something divine where going back to listen just to ideas lacks for inspiration growth. Whether your piece is good or bad, it does not matter....You want to be able to hear guitar signature melody lines or certain chord changes within your song. That gives you more freedom. So your pulling ideas from other songs and re-writing their structure into a new song. Fripp was asked "Don't you think that various songs like "Fracture', "Red', or even Larks Tongues have a great simulation in the writing form"?.......Fripp answered.....No. Maybe I wanted to use idea's that were reminiscent of others I had written before. |
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: June 14 2010 at 12:26
Well thank you. I appreciate that. Most of my favorite things I've done just came from placing my fingers in random places on the guitar and seeing what it sounded like. If I liked it, I'd find something to go before or after it, and work that way until I had something fairly interesting and had never heard before. Then I'd write a song around it. I would build the arrangement over time and it would acquire new passages. The trick is to be patient, I think- if ideas weren't forthcoming, I would move on to something else or stop playing altogether. Also, playing in groups and playing different styles of music makes for very valuable experience. I honestly don't have much advice, really- I'm fairly new to this game myself. ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: June 14 2010 at 18:52
Have you tried stomping on it until it works? That's my stock answer to anything and I plan to use it until I have to put on the floor and stomp on it until it works.  "Everything looks better with a dent in it." Keith Moon (I think) ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: June 14 2010 at 18:57
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A good method to bring about creativity on the guitar is to play it in alternate tunings. That way you won't get stuck in all the same patterns, scales, harmonies etc. because you won't know how to play them Some good ones are (low to high) DADGAD, DADFAE, DGDGBE, GGCEAE (2 lowest strings in unison) especially with an acoustic guitar for sweet droning action! |
Posted By: TODDLER
Date Posted: June 15 2010 at 11:28
This is what Miles Davis did. |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: June 15 2010 at 13:35
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On a serious uhm note, check out some Fred Frith. Guitar Solos or Clearing.
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Posted By: mono
Date Posted: June 16 2010 at 06:42
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One intersting place to start with is the sound and timber of your instrument (or one of them). Just experiment with it until you go: "Ah... this sounds interesting and new!". Or, without any actual instrument, start imagining/improvising melodies or ambiances in your head (your head has everything you need in terms of sounds and technical abilites, so... no limitations!) and then try to reproduce as you can that idea with what you have. Just dropping a few tips I use myself, these might not work for everyone. ------------- https://soundcloud.com/why-music Prog trio, from ambiant to violence https://soundcloud.com/m0n0-film Film music and production projects https://soundcloud.com/fadisaliba (almost) everything else |
Posted By: Negoba
Date Posted: June 17 2010 at 10:51
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When your hurdle is getting started, just push out a rough draft, knowing that you will revise it later. This process got alot of term papers done for me and is how I do most of my lyrics. I do alot of lyric revisions, and often find that some of that quick stuff yields some interesting results when rearranged and revised. ------------- You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all. |
Posted By: voceadincapultau
Date Posted: July 02 2010 at 07:17
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Hi, Since this is my first post, I'll be throwing in some text, just to get started. I'm in a kind of same situation as you are, so I don't know if this helps you very much.. Fist of all, try to figure out if you want a one-man band, or start\join a group. Main advantages for one man band are 1. You can do all your thinking by yourself Main disadvantages: 1. You have to do all your thinking by yourself. If you really like to start a gross-gender type band, then, first of all, try to listen to some bands who have done that already. I personally find Krautrock to be the first pick, not necessarily Can and Amon Duul, but Cluster, Kraftwerk and more of that type. Second of all, and more important by far, is to get involved with compatible people. By this I'm not saying that they have to listen to the same music as you do, but learn\share and progress in the same time, until you reach an optimum musical compatibility. In fewer words, to know what to expect from them, and viceversa. You can easily start a post-rock type band, and from there you can get all sorts of influences, ranging from Eno to Add (N) to X. And keep in mind that experimenting does not equal easy-to-do. I personally gig with another guy, a sort of post-rock-ish stoner atmospheric stuff, but I would prefer a more electronic approach. Since we're only two in the band, we don't have the possibility of creating more than 2-3 sounds (it's basically guitar and drums, and occasionally some loop on a multi-effect), but it's quite nice. Don't know if this helps, but anyway, thank you for reading. Btw, If you're into acid and stuff, if the music doesn't breach the boundaries of your head :), don't sing while on drugs. :))) |
Posted By: Rabid
Date Posted: July 08 2010 at 05:34
Sound advice........and if you get any gigs, save up for all the guitars you'll need to do your set.!!
 Seriously, tho.......jam along to your favourite music......CDs, LPs, Tapes, etc. If you've got an 'ear' for music, you can teach yourself.
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Posted By: StrengthandWisdom
Date Posted: August 02 2010 at 18:08
| Bump. some very good advice in this topic. |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: August 02 2010 at 18:24
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Put in your pipe and smoke it???? Alternate tunings, hmm. Well if you want to create music, ultimately you'll have to figure out you own path. My recommendation is to do improv. Also listen to a lot of different stuff. People have been making it for many years and those who think they are totally original are delusional. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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