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seventhsojourn
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Posted: June 12 2010 at 01:46 |
^ ^^ Thanks guys, and special thanks to Paul for the recommendation. Really looking forward to that forthcoming Il Bacio Della Medusa release
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Finnforest
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Posted: June 13 2010 at 12:39 |
Vault pick: Here's one I'd love to hear someday! There is a CD reissue but it might be OOP.
Il Viaggio Senza Andata Il Sistema Rock Progressivo Italiano Review by
psarros
One of the most important bands in Italian rock,not that much because of
their music,but
mainly because IL SISTEMA gave later birth to two monster progressive
rock bands:Museo
Rosenbach and Celeste.They were found in late-60's in the famous town of
Sanremo by
Enzo Merogno (guitar, vocals), Ciro Perrino (drums, percussion, flute,
vocals), Floriano
Roggero (organ) and Luciano Cavanna (bass, vocals).They had a very short
career lasting
only until 1971,the same year when Leonardo Lagorio (flute, sax,
electric piano) joined the
band.During this period IL SISTEMA managed to record some tracks,which
were collected
and released by M.M.Music in 1991 as a double LP,while Mellow Records
released a CD
package with different tracks a year after (the one presented here).
Despite the presence of later MUSEO ROSENBACH Enzo Merogno and Leonardo Lagorio or CELESTE's leader Ciro Perrino,the hero of the band is undoubtfully organist Floriano Roggero.Their sound is actually a unique combination of heavy organ-loaded rock in the vein of DEEP PURPLE, classical prog close to THE NICE,while you should also add some elements later to be heard on MUSEO ROSENBACH's ''Zarathustra''. Unfortunately the production is really bad,reminding me of CORTE DEI MIRACOLI's ''Dimenzione onirica''.About half of the tracks have a classical inspiration with tons of organ and a slow- tempo,supported by heavy bass and some flutes as well,like on ''Una notte sul monte calvo'', an adaption of Mussorgsky's ''A night on a bare mountain''.The other half is actually a combination of dark-sounding proto-progressive rock, containing complex organ parts and obscure structures with hints of MUSEO ROSENBACH and early KING CRIMSON (listen to the distinctive saxes here and there), and soft keyboard/flute-driven themes with a delicate atmosphere. Actually the album is mostly instrumental and fans of old'n'vintage proto-prog will love this album. It is really a pity that the production is under mediocrity,as all of the compositions are on a good level and some of them could have been really great tracks,if taped in an appropriate and more proffesional way.Nevertheless,IL SISTEMA's early recordings are a great example of good Italian prog and should please fans who are after bands in the vein of THE NICE, BEGGAR'S OPERA, CORTE DEI MIRACOLI, FANTASY or CRESSIDA.A decent release of qualitive late-60's/early-70's progressive rock. |
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Finnforest
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Posted: June 14 2010 at 20:50 |
New prog movie featuring Italian bands....get the DVD now.
You can watch the 10 minute trailer here, check it out, its very cool. Features DFA, Deluge Grander, La Maschera, Phideaux, many others. http://www.progdocs.com/ProgDocs/ProgDocs.html |
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Nightfly
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Posted: June 16 2010 at 07:11 |
Glad you like it Chris and a good review too.
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Nightfly
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Posted: June 16 2010 at 07:13 |
I'll check that out later Jim when I've caught up around here. I've just been able to get back on PA after nearly a week due to technical probs you may be aware of. Don't think it affected you guys in the USA.
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Todd
Special Collaborator RPI / Heavy Prog Team Joined: December 19 2007 Location: California Status: Offline Points: 3472 |
Posted: June 16 2010 at 13:26 |
^^^ Regarding the vault pick by Il Sistema, it's part of the recently released Celeste box set (along with Celeste's albums and St. Tropez). It's very good, and not just from a historical interest standpoint as being a great bridge from the Beat scene to full-flowered RPI. Very original material--it's easy to see how they were so revered at the time. I think the material that has been released is live, which explains the production quality. But we RPI fans certainly know how to overlook that! Happy hunting.
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Finnforest
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Posted: June 16 2010 at 15:55 |
Thanks for the info dude, I'll have to assess the cost implications.....also, check the team thread when you get a second, have a question for you there too. |
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Nightfly
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Posted: June 17 2010 at 17:18 |
Jim, Todd - So far this year I've only bought 3 2010 Italian prog releases (caught up on some 2009 stuff though) and one of them isn't RPI (The Watch). I'd be interested to know what you guys think are the best so far from this year?
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Todd
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Posted: June 17 2010 at 17:53 |
Hi Paul! Here are my Italian favorites so far this year:
Come Le Foglie - Aliante (mix of new material and 1972 demos)
La Maschera di Cera - Petali di Fuoco
Three Monks - Neogothic Progressive (kind of like Jacula, though to my ears not as creepy [sorry Jim!], will be added to the site soon)
RRR - Il Pittore Volante
The Watch - Planet Earth
I also have my eye out for the following:
Conqueror - Madame Zelle
Eris Pluvia - Third Eye Light
Colster
Steeo
Zaal - Onda Quadra
I've been watching those Progressive Italia collections, too. Volumes 4-6 have quite a few rare titles from the 1970s.
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Finnforest
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Posted: June 17 2010 at 18:11 |
Seconded on Todd's picks.
Lagartija was my favorite discovery of the year, thought their album is a couple years old. Also on this list of new discoveries for me personally, though perhaps year or two old albums, would be Proteo, Mario Cottarelli, RanestRane. Colster is certainly worth getting. 3 Monks is fantastic based on the tracks I've heard. And Areknames just released a new one! |
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Finnforest
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Posted: June 17 2010 at 20:50 |
Vault Pick: I've never heard this, but it sure does get rave reviews!
Confine Sithonia Rock Progressivo Italiano Review by
Cesar
Inca
Sithonia's finest hour - "Confine" is an absolute success of symphonic
prog for the 90s, and it is really a
pity that this sextet isn't usually as praised as other fellow ones (who
also deserve it). "Confine" is the
third studio effort by Sihonia, and as revealed in the live album
entitled "Folla de Pssagio", a couple of
tracks already existed in full form before the album per se. The album
kicks off in the most magnificent
way one can imagine: years and years of carefully listening to
progressive albums might as well leave
you still unprepared for the outburst of musical magic comprised in
'Albi di Spagna'. This lovely piece is
not precisely an epic, starting on a Renaissance note with a basis of
classical guitar and vocal, then the
input of multiple keyboards gradually joining in until the arrival and
development of a majestic
architecture that brings back the good old days of BMS and PFM. This
opener leaves you speechless,
perhaps wanting to listen to it 2 or 3 more times before going on with
what remains of the album. Once
you can get past this lovely shock, 'Sinergie Interattive' shifts to
lighter moods - it starts with an
emulation of a cartoonish jingle (including weird voices and phone
rings), and then the main body
alternates psychedelic beat on a 5/4 tempo, Cabaret jazz and some subtle
Gentle Giant-ish
ingredients. This is symphonic prog for a Fellini movie. By now, the
listener's attention is fully
guaranteed, so 'Piccole Vele' can lead us to the farther realms of the
heart with its patently romantic
ambiences elegantly wrapped in a melancholic aura. Despite its short
duration, this song manages to
incorporate some brief dense ornaments in order to remain reasonably
varied within its well defined
framework. The instrumental 'Pentolle Sullo Scalfalle' keeps things in
this introspective tone: the jazzy
vibe provided by the guitar phrases get along well with the utterly
symphonic keyboards, never getting
to the saturation point. Not only does this album comprise the band's
best opening track ever; it also
contains their best instrumental. 'Porto d'Inghilterra' is the longest
piece in the album - it starts with
storm noises, and then the instrumentation warms up in a Gentle
Giant-meets-BMS sort of way, and
from now on, the varied melodic journey turns out to be an outstanding
display of creativity and
harmonization. The way in which the serene moments and the dense
passages combine and almost
fuse together is a trademark of Sithonia at their best, and oh, how well
it works here especially. The
instrumental '... Un Altro Momento' brings a moment of relaxing solace
after the preceding track's
colorfulness: the eerie prelude on a duet of classical guitar and piano
is followed by a softly joyful rock,
somewhat influenced by Genesis and Le Orme. 'Piancandolli' and 'La
Cella' perpetuate the romantic
aura and delicate sophistication that we had already found in'Piccole
Vele', while still providing a healthy
dose of the warm, energy displayed in 'Porto d'Inghilterra'. But again,
things will get a bit warmer
with 'Ultimo a Stare in Porta', whose main riff is quite catchy. The
utilization of peculiar vocal
arrangements, a happy-go-lucky sax solo and a dissonant organ solo
widely reveal the band's intention
to toy with their extravagant side, which is particularly celebrated in
the climatic impromptu. 'Il Segnale'
is a brief voice-piano ballad segued into the instrumental extravaganza
entitled 'Alla Corte del Gran
Khan' - the latter doesn' even reach the 2 minute mark, but it sure
encapsulates a great mixture of
Genle Giant, Happy the Man and Banco. Listening to both tracks as a unit
is the best experience for the
listener. It is the namesake track which is in charge of closing down
the album. It starts with an
accordion delivery of one motif from 'Sinergie Interattive', and then,
things move fluidly according to
the band's most bizarre aspect. It would be fair to label the
interaction of the musicians as aggressive,
but it is not so in a rock fashion, but more like a big circus in which
things are almost getting out of
control. Halfway through, the track turns into a more typically
progressive pomposity, ultimately leading
to a brief coda led by eh acoustic guitar. Regardless of the tracks that
each individual listener may point
out as their favorite ones, this album as a whole is a highlight, a
major achievement in the realm of
Italian 90s prog. Oh man, Sithonia ruled!, and how!
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Nightfly
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Posted: June 18 2010 at 04:57 |
Thanks Todd and Jim, a few new ones for me to check out there. I know Lagartija and RanestRane and already have RRR, Maschera and The Watch but I'll look into the others.
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Finnforest
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Posted: June 18 2010 at 14:42 |
Nice work Chris, on a title that has so far eluded me....I'll have to track it down Dentro l'Invisibile Genfuoco Rock Progressivo Italiano Review by seventhsojourn Genfuoco released this album on the Citta Nuova label in 1979 before disbanding the following year; they subsequently reformed in 2000 and then brought out an album of live recordings from the late '70s. Dentro L'Invisibile was reissued on cd by Mellow Records in 1992, but it's a bit of a rarity these days and it has taken me the last two years to find a copy. Despite the poor sound quality it was well worth the wait. Genfuoco was a 6-piece band so there's plenty of variety in the instrumentation although the general mood is mellow and acoustic. The music blends folk, jazz and symphonic to good effect and features extensive instrumental passages, with vocals being used quite sparingly. Singer Marco Borgogni isn't as flashy as some of his countrymen but his voice is well suited to the subdued nature of the majority of the album. Fellow Italian bands Delirium and Il Volo are the most obvious influences, although there are also hints of Camel, Pink Floyd, and to a lesser extent Santana.
The album starts with OUVERTURE, an instrumental piece with two main movements that are separated by a brief fast section. Both main movements are quite spacey and the second part features a tranquil cornet and sax duet. It's a nice intro to the album and sets the mood for the songs that follow. The first of these is DELLA TANA that has a folk feel thanks to its catchy recorder motif, although it also features bowed double bass and a nice synthesizer line. Some songs are instantly memorable whereas others, such as the structurally complex TRASPARE, require several listens to fully appreciate. This track is a bit frustrating because it features what might be Mellotron-choir, but it's barely audible due to the aforementioned sound problems. The 2-part TERRA PROMESSA features the first upbeat moment on the album, with its joyous flute melody, fizzing guitar and Latin percussion. GALASSIE is another track that highlights the inferior quality of the production with some intrusive hisses in the vocals. Fortunately these don't stop it being arguably the best song of the set, with its spacey sax and Solina/Mellotron intro giving way to carefree guitar and synthesizer exchanges. The tender acoustic ballad LA SERENATA DEL FIUME and the Pink Floyd-inspired title-track, which even includes some female vocals in the vein of Clare Torry, complete what is a fine album. In a nutshell, one of the lesser-known RPI gems that's only slightly marred by some dodgy production. 4 stars. |
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Todd
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Posted: June 18 2010 at 15:24 |
Great review, Chris! I listened to that again a few days ago and was reminded how good it is. Definitely worth tracking down.
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Finnforest
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Posted: June 18 2010 at 16:08 |
Todd
Special Collaborator RPI / Heavy Prog Team Joined: December 19 2007 Location: California Status: Offline Points: 3472 |
Posted: June 18 2010 at 16:15 |
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opethpainter
Forum Newbie Joined: February 27 2010 Location: Paris, France Status: Offline Points: 30 |
Posted: June 18 2010 at 20:25 |
well do you want the definitive event?
sat. november 6th 2010 www.progvention.com |
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topographicbroadways
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Posted: June 18 2010 at 21:25 |
I can't stop listening too Premiata Forneria Marconi at the moment, i must have listened too Per Un Amico a dozen times this week.
Le Orme are also one of my favourites so far (Having only listened too 3 bands so far)
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Todd
Special Collaborator RPI / Heavy Prog Team Joined: December 19 2007 Location: California Status: Offline Points: 3472 |
Posted: June 18 2010 at 22:57 |
Benvenuto, topographicbroadways! PFM and Le Orme are wonderful bands, and most people are introduced to Rock Progressivo Italiano through PFM, Le Orme, and Banco del Mutuo Soccorso. But there are so many wonderful bands out there--hundreds--that are waiting for you! Visit the RPI subgenre page for some other ideas, and stay tuned to this thread to hear lots of new ideas and recommendations. Happy hunting! |
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Nightfly
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Posted: June 19 2010 at 07:37 |
Just ordered the new PFM, anyone heard it? Not many reviews of it here yet.
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