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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 07 2010 at 20:25
Fifteen years old here and I enjoy a little bit of the Genesis every once in awhile. I'm more into Tangerine Dream and that kind of stuff, but you can never go wrong with the early Genesis.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 07 2010 at 20:41
Originally posted by AtomicCrimsonRush AtomicCrimsonRush wrote:

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Absolutely not, ignore all of the teenagers at PA who claim to enjoy such music and at other prog sites and discount people such as myself who  listened to such music when they were teens and earlier and remember really liking it back then, but are really false memories, cause they don't count. It's completely delusional.  The only music teenagers can really enjoy is Magma, Univers Zero and the like.

To put it in teen-speak, wurdah Genesis! ;)

Seriously, my daughter's been enjoying some music I like since she was very small, she's now six, as long as it's not horrifyingly bizarre.  She likes Magma and William Sheller.  My son's favourite (three) is a Jean-Paul Vannier track which he calls the "uh-uh' song and often requests it.

I just played my daughter and son some early Genesis, "Fireside Song" off Genesis first, and they didn't seem to like it.
Ok well as you are only 10 years old according to your profileLOL I will talk to you in understandable english
 
early Genesis = very good
Post Gabriel Genesis up to Duke = satisfactory
Post Duke up to last album = very bad
 
seriously I would not play Magma in front of my kids as they would run for cover and i would get the LOOK from my wife. Shocked But she likes Collins, so we have some mutual agreement here that our kids could listen to Genesis without argument so I am going for that.   


My daughter actually likes "Cuckoo Cocoon" and it was unfair of me to test her with a track from From Genesis to Revelation.

This is what got her into Magma when she was about three: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3gt7f_jade-chante-magma_music

Watching videos of kids singing or playing "prog" can work wonders.  More of us who have young kids might considering making such vids in or order to progelytize the kids at a very early age. That worked wonders in Magmatizing her, and even led her to invent her own language called Im.

My wife is very tolerant of the music I like provided it's on softly.  I wouldn't play Comus in front of the kids or wife.  She's not a music lover, though.  We do both like Abba and various J-pop stuff.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 07 2010 at 21:16
I'm fifteen and love early Genesis.  They used to be my favorite band.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 07 2010 at 21:25
Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:


My wife is very tolerant of the music I like provided it's on softly.

Yep LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 07 2010 at 21:31
I got in love with early Genesis as a teenager (13) and still am both a 70s Genesis fan and a teenager (18)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 07 2010 at 22:22
wow 5 pages already, incredible--  though Yes, Tull and Crimson were popular with my friends in high school, almost no one knew of Genesis (at least not the original one).  Strange because prog was rather well respected in California in the 80s, even albums as Discipline and 90215 were popular, but not early Genesis, almost like they didn't exist.  Weird.  Maybe all the pop stuff had soured their reputation, or maybe with Gabriel having such a strong solo career, they'd become moot.

 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 07 2010 at 22:59
Yes, because i do and im 20. but I still prefer newer prog bands. I don't get the fascination with the older bands here maybe its because the majority of the people here are old. I mean sure Genesis and Yes both have there classics but they aren't any better than the new bands out there.   
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 07 2010 at 23:00
i think its more the question of, "can teenagers enjoy prog"? When i first got into prog at 15, my friend and i were the only people in our year who listened to it. Even though mostly everyone i talked to about prog admitted to never listening to it, they still made jokes and gave us lots of crap about it. To each their own i suppose. I just hate when people say that music 'artists' such as lady gaga and all those electronic rap songs are 'real music'. its quite sad.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 08 2010 at 03:43
    Doubt it , but , maybe 20 years & over ,and specially the early ones of Genesis !!!!!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 08 2010 at 03:50
absolutely, I started listening to early Genesis 15 years ago at 15, so...yes
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 08 2010 at 04:02
Originally posted by renoprog renoprog wrote:

I enjoyed reading everybody's posts. 
But I just remembered that my young pre-teen daughter loved "sherazade" by renaisance.  I highly reccomend that. She also loved Jacula when she was younger because of the Ghoolish cover. For some reason she was in a weird mood. To get her to stop crying, we had to tell her that someone is getting killed on tv. 
Considering Genesis: The first song I thought of was "harold the barrel".  Then I remembered the sad ending.  Their are a lot of Genesis songs that have the story telling quality.  I thinks it helps explaining the song ahead of time. 
Also "the snow goose" if you have the actual story behind it.  I remember seeing a made for tv movie of it.  I can't recall if it was from English tv or not.  Also I would think the cool vocals that Gentle Giant would do might remind them of "row, row, row your boat"
great post. yes I agree wholeheartedly, The storytelling qualit is a drawcard of Gabriel. 
 
 
Today We watched the "Genesis Video Show" DVD and when we got to 'I Cant dance' I was cringing but she laughed at the silly antics of the trio walking like wirdos. My little 4 yr old son said
"are we watching The Goodies?" And that summed it up for me. a lot of Genesis clips were funny or silly even with Benny Hill in one and Spitting Image puppets in another. But it was great to listen to Genesis instead of Hannah Montana for a while. we saw bits of the "Live In Rome" DVD but she lost interest very quickly, though thought it was funny te crowd singing and Collins taking photos of the crowd. Whereas the Video Clips sparked her interest with hundreds of questions such as , who is that guy, does he play drums too, why does he look like a priest, whos the keybrd player, whats this song about (No Son of Mine, Jesus He Knows me, Ripples), Why do they have symbols all over their DVD cover etc etc etc etc...... It was a fun time.     
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 08 2010 at 04:08
"teenagers" is not a  homogeneous group, so the question can't be answered.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 08 2010 at 04:11
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:


My wife is very tolerant of the music I like provided it's on softly.

Yep LOL
I wouldnt play Comus either in front of them (Drip!) but I can play music softly when they are around and do. I must admit i am a headphone case - and am often found with headphones on and prog going full boar. Anti social but we all have to have time out from the rat race.
 
I enjoyed watching Genesis on DVD with family though. I think its the first time they accepted my music....  Genesis seem to appeal to a wide audience. All ages are in the audience at concerts and all types of people - Genesis seem to appeal to a target audience wider than the average prog.
 
Now if i played Dream Theater or Opeth we may have a different situation of course...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 08 2010 at 04:12
Originally posted by XunknownX XunknownX wrote:

"teenagers" is not a  homogeneous group, so the question can't be answered.

Definitions of teenager on the Web:

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 08 2010 at 04:18
I already enjoyed Genesis when I was a little kid. One of my older brothers was in his teens and he was really into Genesis, Yes, Kayak etc. and I remember that I thought he had quite some fascinating music.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 08 2010 at 04:22
Hmmmm heres a good site too
 

Teenagers there are some that are good all of the time but they are few and far between. If you are or were blessed with even one of those always good ones, count yourself as being one of the very fortunate of peoples of this world. The rest of them well let me just say that they have the other kind.

Let’s face it the trouble with most teenagers’ lies in their parent’s genes or DNA or whatever that thing is that is passed down to them from their parents and grandparents. You know what I mean…that badness or that goofiness or that seriousness or that meanness or that shyness or that cantankerous thing that your father had on his side of the family or your mother had on your mother’s side of the family.

What can we do about those things that we would like to change if we could? Well, in my humble opinion, there exists little or nothing that we can do to change that which is built into them. About all that we can attempt to do is to make ourselves admit to ourselves that our son or our daughter has those traits that we never cared for in him or in her and we must not try to make them different from what they are but we must learn how to work with what he or she has and build as decent a person as we can from what we have got to work with. That means that we must learn that our children’s flow is going to often go against our own flow and at those times we must let that flow of theirs flow around us or over us and then once that is done we must let our flow surround them and comfort them and encourage them in helping them to use their flow to mesh with this worlds’ flow more naturally so that we all can flow and mix our flows together to make life good and sound for all of us everywhere.

What exactly does all of this flowing business need to do with a sometimes disrespectful or a belligerent teenager or a son or daughter that lies or cheats or is just plain lazy or bullies? Well, I think that once we accept the facts about our sons and our daughters their innate shortcomings for what they are and from whence they came and admit to ourselves that our son and our daughter are not going to change those attitudes or those unwanted and often times unwarranted outburst of temper or that laziness that was born in them the sooner we all will see that those episodes that we dislike or even hate about our children will subsist and decline to the point of near extinction. However, if we are unable to accept these unlikable or detestable (to us) traits that are in our own children, well, I am thinking that we are only going to set our family’s lives up for trouble and more trouble until that day comes when our children have children and teens of their very own at which time we as parents get our long awaited parental revenge. But, do you want to wait ten or fifteen years or more for that revenge or would you rather forgo the revenge part and go after the more immediate relief effort that the flowing of all rivers experience on their winding and bumpy way to the everlasting expanse and wonderment of this world’s deep oceans?

 
 
 
Now that is deep.............. comments? agree? disagree? whats it got to do with OP? Keep the comments coming as this is more enlightening than the polls at present.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 08 2010 at 04:53
I've loved early Genesis (especially A Trick Of The Tail and Foxtrot) since before I was 10, and still do as a 16 year old. So definitely yes!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 08 2010 at 04:58
Originally posted by progkidjoel progkidjoel wrote:

I've loved early Genesis (especially A Trick Of The Tail and Foxtrot) since before I was 10, and still do as a 16 year old. So definitely yes!
Great to hear it! Trick and Foxtrot are both masterpieces. I have to add my admiration for those and Selling England, Nursery Cryme, Lamb Lies Down on Broadway and Duke. Love all those.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 08 2010 at 05:00
^Same here - I also have a massive soft spot for Invisible Touch... Easily a 4 star album for me

Trick was on of those albums that got me into prog; one of the first 2 or 3 prog albums which blew me away and still do. Really amazing stuff!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 08 2010 at 05:24

As a father myself, I find the biggest problem with this kind of relationship is that the father pushes his "obviously superior" progressive music onto his children, but does not reciprocate by sitting down to take their music seriously, which can, even if the child does not express it, paint him as an out-of-touch snob who is to be endured until he goes back to his room. I'm not saying this is ACR's situation, I wouldn't know, but it seems to be quite common.

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