Can teenagers Enjoy early Genesis?
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Topic: Can teenagers Enjoy early Genesis?
Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Subject: Can teenagers Enjoy early Genesis?
Date Posted: June 07 2010 at 07:24
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I ask this as my 13 yr old daughter asked me for some music to listen to as she settles down to sleep, as she knows i am way into music. I gave her Genesis' "Selling England By The Pound". She is listening to it right now, i heard 'Dancing With the Moonlit Knight' a moment ago.
I hope she can enjoy this type of music as I have heaps to give her if so. Also I can talk to her about it and its important to have an interest with your teen daughters and sons.
My question is then is it possible for teens to enjoy this type of early prog rather than the stuff on the radio that is churned out? I hope so, as then we would have a common interest. Interesting thought.... ------------- 
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Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: June 07 2010 at 07:25
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My son is almost three. He loves Genesis, especially "Can-Utility and the Coastliners." It's his favorite song ever. Well, probably second to "The Wheels on the Bus."  ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: June 07 2010 at 07:32
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I think they can. I remember that when I was a 14-year old laddie, I had a transistor radio standing beside my bed. Between 10 PM and 11 PM I listened to the radio using an earphone, so that my parents would not catch me in the act. On this time some more progressive tracks from recently released albums were played. One of these albums was Selling England by the Pound. I did like the song Firth of Fifth, which was played several times in these days (autumn 1973).
However, my 14-year old daughter has her own preferences and she calls progressive rock 'beaver music' (formerly 'goat music'). It's just a matter of taste... ------------- 
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Posted By: Wh1sKy
Date Posted: June 07 2010 at 07:56
| absolutely.iam 18 y.old and i loved genesis since first hear them :).my fav song is dancing with moonlit knight. |
Posted By: Synchestra
Date Posted: June 07 2010 at 08:01
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I'm 19, first heard Selling England at 17 and loved every moment of it. Been listening to the Flower Kings even longer and they're similar
I wouldn't go expecting all people my age to warm up to them so quickly, but to each their own.. ------------- 'Yeah, thats.. Whatever you're talking about for ya' - Zapp brannigan |
Posted By: MrProg
Date Posted: June 07 2010 at 08:10
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yeah I've been listening to prog since i was 16 and now im 21 :P ------------- Mr Prog at The End of Time... |
Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: June 07 2010 at 08:18
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Thats encouraging to read all these posts - i think she will enjoy them but it wil take time for her to adjust to the different style. She may like Yes better but they have so many long songs it may shock her LOL
In any case I would rather she listen to something I know and I know the lifestyle of the group and it wont lead her to darker music. -------------
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Posted By: The Sleepwalker
Date Posted: June 07 2010 at 08:21
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I think I was 15 when I got into Genesis. Started with Selling England, which has never really touched me, but when hearing Foxtrot I was convinced of their greatness. ------------- 
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Posted By: rod65
Date Posted: June 07 2010 at 08:23
| I can't see any reason why not. I was 12 when I got into prog, myself (currently 44 BTW). I have a 2 1/2 year-old daughter wth whom I listen to a wide range of music, including symphonic, neo-, and cross-over prog. She will often ask me to put some music on, and when she asks for "fast music," I know she wants to listen to Rush. She has described Yes as "happy music," and applied the descriptor "nice music" to more prog bands than I can name here. I think it's a matter of exposure, and of respecting her own growing tastes; i.e. if she doesn't like something, I take it off and find something more to her liking. I will also need to remain open, once she gets older and starts exploring music on her own, to the posibility of her introducing me to bands I might not otherwise encouter or seek out. Fair is fair. Then we will both have something to offer. |
Posted By: Progist
Date Posted: June 07 2010 at 08:30
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I think the fact that she's listening to it at all shows great promise. SEBTP sure beats Miley Cyrus or whatever 13 year old girls listen to these days? ------------- 
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Posted By: TODDLER
Date Posted: June 07 2010 at 08:37
I deal more with toddlers. I know I'm going off thread a bit but, just for another viewpoint regarding parents relation with their children in music, the parent must review the material first hand. Example: I was confident with Magical Mystery Tour watching my 7 and 4 year old boys singing the words and playing drums. My nine year old daughter stood and sang while dancing. Everything seemed fine until "Strawberry Fields Forever" came along and my daughter was in terror and I stopped the music to hold her. Actually, it was a mess. All 3 of my kids love the Yellow Submarine film and also Help! and listen to the entire Beatles catalog while skipping over S.F.F.....They seem to request a lot of insane children's songs like..."Bike" from Pink Floyd Relics. I had thought that tune to be on the darkside regarding some of the effects and hesitated upon playing it for them...but, they love it so maybe it's the atmosphere of S.F.F. that brings terror.
They request...'I'm so Cute" from Frank Zappa, my 4 year old sings the words to Sunny Afternoon by the Kinks and my daughter enjoys Russian Winter by Omega and the early Genesis. In observation many of the pieces I've mentioned are childlike in a musical approach and in the lyrics. She loves the lyrics of Peter Gabriel because she thinks he is telling her a story. She is drawn into the band's music for that fact alone.She understands play acting and that is a plus. You have to take precautions with electronic music....It's fine if the background has a Wendy Carlos feel or Johannes Schmoelling but, it's not good to play TD. As everyone here knows this fact however, your judgement is never an exact science when choosing the musical agenda for your children. Some children feel afraid of a melodic folk song. |
AtomicCrimsonRush wrote:Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: June 07 2010 at 08:38
Yes, exactly! I think thats a great idea to expose them to it rather than force them. i was exposed to Country as a kid but it made no difference altho i liked some Johnny Cash and Don Williams I was still into Kiss and Sweet and Pink Floyd. Mum was worried about Pink Floyd but had no problem with Kiss! Go figure. She even took me to a Kiss concert in 1980 with my sister. My daughter does listen to Miley Cyrus but shes grown tired of her - not enough diversity
i hope she can appreciate the greatness of Genesis as you all seem to in your teen years. I mean she can listen to the Phil collins years too as long as she enjoys the music and I have plenty on hand for her.She could listen to every album without spending cash on the albums.
I have thoughts about other prog too but not sure what is suitable for a teen daughter. Any thoughts?
Thx for responses.  A feel good thread at present  -------------
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Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: June 07 2010 at 08:44
 I would be careful to play anything dark as I dont want to encourage it really. If my daughter gets into emo music that will be a sad day for me personally but what can you do? I do my best to vbring them up in what way suits best. and its up to them what they get into. i know she was very interested in the DVD Musical war of the Worlds I grabbed at the concert I attended. Jeff waynes WotW is scary in places too especually the martian war machines but she understood it was musical experience and had no probs with the creepiness of it. Shes getting interested in twilight now and that concerns me a bit as it is vampirish. I showed her Avatar last week, her first M film but I was there with her to explain parts. She enjoyed it and it was nice to watch a decent film with her for a change. -------------
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Posted By: Wiktor Hatif
Date Posted: June 07 2010 at 08:47
WTF? How the hell "Selling England By The Pound" is good for the sleep time? It's rather noisy. I would give her "Islands" by King Crimson or Gentle Giant's "Acquiring The Taste" - these are very sleepy. From Genesis I would take "Trespass", but "Selling England By The Pound"? Bad choice... ------------- "Ffffaaahhh, seeko baaaaaa Neeeeee toe, kare lo yeahhh Sa sa sa sa saa! Fssss Drrrrrrrrr bo ki! Rapateeka! do go taaaam Rapateeka! do go tchaa" - "Atom Heart Mother" Pink Floyd/Ron Geesin |
Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: June 07 2010 at 08:49
yes Miley Cyrius has infiltrated our house of late - shes Ok but I cant see it lasting as its a fad lie Justin Bieber - they are great while they are young but thats not going to last is it? Bands with longevity such as Genesis and ELP and Yes for me are the pinnacle of success in prog. Rush is too heavy for my daughter, King Crimson too weird, hawkwind too spacey, but these other bands mentioned are ideal. heck, I'd prefer she listened to 'We cant dance' by Genesis or 'Invisible Touch' rather than Miley Cyrus.....
 i am just going to leave these CDs with her and she can listen to them as it suits her. i think she is excited her dad is lending her his precious music, and thats what she said today. She requested them after we talked about music at lunch. Now she is in her room cranking out Genesis - its a nice thing for me personally to see our interests beginning to be entwined as its so difficult to communicate with teens as a parent.
PS NICE sig by the way!  -------------
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Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: June 07 2010 at 08:54
Islands may not interest her I feel, and Gentle Giant - hmmmmm thats a thought, I could give her some of that as well. i am just glad she is not ignoring her dad's interests like so mamy teens do these days. -------------
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Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: June 07 2010 at 08:56
nice to hear from you, hope u can enjoy your time here at the progarchives. Say hello in the fun section too.
you have excellent taste in music!!! -------------
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Posted By: Adams Bolero
Date Posted: June 07 2010 at 09:03
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I was 17 when I first heard Nursery Cryme and loved it instantly so yes. ------------- ''Nobody realizes that some people expend tremendous energy merely to be normal.'' - Albert Camus |
Posted By: Wiktor Hatif
Date Posted: June 07 2010 at 09:08
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I'm 21 years old and I got to prog partially because of my dad, and two old records (on compact cassette's), that was lying around the house - Pink Floyd's Dark Side, and In The Court Of The Crimson King. It wasn't so long ago, about five years, but then I only had my cassette player and no money to buy records, no friends to borrow records. So I gave these two a shot :)
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Posted By: Bonnek
Date Posted: June 07 2010 at 09:10
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Sure, my brother fed me prog ages before I had any facial hair but I loved it right away. The secret is to find something that clicks with her and will make her explore the genre further. For me Floyd and Rush put me under the prog-spell. |
Posted By: Staker
Date Posted: June 07 2010 at 09:11
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I laughed at this thread's title. Of course teenagers can enjoy prog - they can enjoy every type of music just like everyone else. We're not stupid, you know. I'm 17, and the first genre of music I got into was prog, with Pink Floyd. I have diversified over the years, into metal, extreme metal, ambient, hard rock, experimental, and listen to lots of recent music. I don't listen to the radio - I hate it, and I hate almost all pop music that they'd play. Why am I like this, whereas most people my age are not? My two brothers got into prog before me, and it was them who showed me how awesome it was (It was actually Pigs on Animals which got me into prog). Before that I had almost no interest in music at all. Then my dad's music, mostly prog stuff like Pink Floyd, or hard rock like Led Zeppelin, started to get digitized from vinyl format, and we got into his collection of stuff. Nobody listened to the radio in our house so that was the only influence. In comparison, most other people have parent who like that kinda thing, or friends who like it. Radio is the easiest thing to listen to, hence it appeals to people, and hence it's convenient to enjoy the music on there. So if you are desperate to get your daughter into prog, then continue as you are. Note that some degree of freedom should be encouraged - sure, you might dislike the modern stuff, but maybe she does enjoy it along with prog. I think as a father myself I'd hate to have to hear it but it might be a price worth paying for to allow some freedom. On another note, I think teenagers connect with music very well - they're physically able and active, and have a lot of spare time to obsess over it (eg, learning an instrument) so if you want to get someone into prog, GET 'EM WHILE THEY'RE YOUNG. Oh, and going to sleep to Genesis? That's intense. Might I suggest some Stars Of The Lid? Eluvium? Ambient music? ------------- I > You. |
Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: June 07 2010 at 09:13
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Posted By: Zombywoof
Date Posted: June 07 2010 at 09:28
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Of course it is! I'm 17 now, and although I enjoy Tull, Giant, Crimson, VDGG, Zappa, and Magma a whole lot more, I can appreciate some Genesis when I'm in the right mood. Just last summer, I bought Selling England and Foxtrot from amazon (in fact I got an amazon account just to buy these two albums!) and I rotated them in my cd player for about three weeks! I even asked for The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway as a gift, and still enjoy it to this day. As for using Selling England to go to sleep to, I've always found Trespass a much better album for that purpose. The whole work is the audio equivalent to a surreal dream. I love it! ------------- Continue the prog discussion here: http://zombyprog.proboards.com/index.cgi ... |
Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: June 07 2010 at 09:29
i might watch the DVD 'Genesis LIve In Rome' with her tomorrow. I know she will enjoy that. -------------
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Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: June 07 2010 at 09:34
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Posted By: mckramin
Date Posted: June 07 2010 at 09:38
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I think kids are influenced in their music choices by what they are exposed to and by whom..I exposed my kids to all types of music, but mostly the prog and jazz I listen to and they both love it. Both are musicians and the youngest one is a drummer who has been classically trained in percussion and reads music, so I like to play some of the amazing drumming by the likes of Bruford and Harrison to get his head spinning and to challenge him. I also brought both of them to some live concerts at a very young age..I remember bringing my youngest son at the age of 10 to a Tony Levin concert where he was by far the youngest person in the audience and he loved it. To some degree I made sure they had exposure to a lot of different music for my own sanity to prevent having to listen to rap and pop in the house.  |
Posted By: Zombywoof
Date Posted: June 07 2010 at 09:42
Great, just be sure to set the player on timer so "The Knife" doesn't wake her up! That happened to me once.  ------------- Continue the prog discussion here: http://zombyprog.proboards.com/index.cgi ... |
Posted By: rod65
Date Posted: June 07 2010 at 09:46
As for suggestions appropriate to a 13-year-old girl, maybe I'm not qualified as my daughter is considerably younger, but I think it is good for girlts to have strong female role models in all areas, including the arts. Thus, anything my Magenta would probably be good. I would probably start with Revolutions as I think it is most likely to catch a teenager's imagination, but I may just be projecting too much of my remembered self here. For classic prog, of course Renaissance would be wonderful, particularly Scheherazade. I don't think either of these albums has any content that would cause me concern as a parent. Another suggestion, though the vocalist of course is male, is Yes's the Ladder--in places downright exuberant, and I think pretty accessible (in the best sense of the word).
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Posted By: Calculate900
Date Posted: June 07 2010 at 09:47
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Hello there. I'm 17 years old, and I've been listening to Genesis' older material for about a year now. I've listened to both Selling England By The Pound and Foxtrot in their entirety, and I just recently got Nursery Cryme and The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway. In the two former albums mentioned, there wasn't a song on either album I didn't enjoy. Of the two, I preferred Foxtrot (partially because of Supper's Ready, but I also like Time Table and Get 'Em Out By Friday), but both are excellent prog albums. That being said, Genesis isn't my favorite prog band. Among my favorites are Pink Floyd, Yes, ELP, and King Crimson. I also like Peter Gabriel's solo material, especially his experimental material from the third album. |
Posted By: Wiktor Hatif
Date Posted: June 07 2010 at 09:47
I often fell asleep to "Islands" KC and I wake up at "The Letters" because its high volume contrast - verse is perfectly silent and instrumental part is a volcano :D ------------- "Ffffaaahhh, seeko baaaaaa Neeeeee toe, kare lo yeahhh Sa sa sa sa saa! Fssss Drrrrrrrrr bo ki! Rapateeka! do go taaaam Rapateeka! do go tchaa" - "Atom Heart Mother" Pink Floyd/Ron Geesin |
Posted By: rod65
Date Posted: June 07 2010 at 09:52
| Follow-up tp last post: I might also suggest either of Touchstone's albums, Discordant Dreams or Wintercoast. Kim Sevior's voice is wonderful, and as they are a cross-over prog band, their sensibilities I think span a range of tastes. |
Posted By: Zombywoof
Date Posted: June 07 2010 at 09:53
That has happened to me too many times to count. Especially on the Ladies of the Road live album. Should this be added to the "You know you're a prog newbie when..." thread? ------------- Continue the prog discussion here: http://zombyprog.proboards.com/index.cgi ... |
Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: June 07 2010 at 09:55
Yes's The Ladder is something I had not considered but once again a nice choice.
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Posted By: Wiktor Hatif
Date Posted: June 07 2010 at 09:57
nope, because I play it to sleep deliberately :) Not, that I'm not listening it awake, but I just love falling asleep to great dreamy music. I know we're going a little off topic here :P ------------- "Ffffaaahhh, seeko baaaaaa Neeeeee toe, kare lo yeahhh Sa sa sa sa saa! Fssss Drrrrrrrrr bo ki! Rapateeka! do go taaaam Rapateeka! do go tchaa" - "Atom Heart Mother" Pink Floyd/Ron Geesin |
Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: June 07 2010 at 09:59
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Posted By: DisgruntledPorcupine
Date Posted: June 07 2010 at 10:03
I'm 15 and I love it. 
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Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: June 07 2010 at 10:03
Good advice again. i can see your point of view and will allow a lot of freedom but she is very keen to check them out after hearing from me how great they are. -------------
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Posted By: Zombywoof
Date Posted: June 07 2010 at 10:04
Maybe give her Wish You Were Here, Court of the Crimson King (but encourage her to start with track 2), Zappa's Grand Wazoo, or disc 2 of Tull's Living in The Past (starting on track 3). I have a talent for dosing off to Pawn Hearts (even though I love it), but that one isn't such a good idea for a 13 year-old girl. ------------- Continue the prog discussion here: http://zombyprog.proboards.com/index.cgi ... |
Posted By: Zombywoof
Date Posted: June 07 2010 at 10:06
I was kidding, so do I. Islands is one of my favorite albums, I have no idea why some people bash it the way they do. ------------- Continue the prog discussion here: http://zombyprog.proboards.com/index.cgi ... |
Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: June 07 2010 at 10:11
Tull is a good idea - not too bad for her to listen to i believe. i was thinking Passion Play but I wonder what she will think on track 2 when the hare that lost its spectacles starts
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Posted By: rod65
Date Posted: June 07 2010 at 10:11
Thanks. Another possibility for the same reasons (female voice), though it is quite solidly Neo-Prog and thus maybe outside of what you are looking for, is Legend's Triple Aspect.
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Posted By: Zombywoof
Date Posted: June 07 2010 at 10:23
A Passion Play is a fantastic record that I've grown up listening to, but it might scare off a new listener. Maybe try Songs from the Wood, Heavy Horses, Benefit, or Stand Up? "For Michael Collins, Jeffrey, and Me" is a fantastic song to go to sleep to. Also, you might be on to something with the mixed cd idea! Just be sure to throw in some mellow Porcupine Tree, Floyd, and maybe Harum for good measure. ------------- Continue the prog discussion here: http://zombyprog.proboards.com/index.cgi ... |
Posted By: TwoOneOneTwo
Date Posted: June 07 2010 at 10:26
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I'm 18 now but I can remember listening to and enjoying Genesis at the age of 10. It's never too early to start listening to good music. To sleep to, I would reccomend some Camel. Perhaps The Snow Goose? Heaven forbid she goes to bed listening to what most 13 year olds listen to. Its bad for her health! ------------- Rush - Time Machine Tour - August 7th in Seattle! |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: June 07 2010 at 10:29
Well, when I was a late teenager I most certainly did.
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Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: June 07 2010 at 10:45
Actually i remember as a teen going to sleep listening to Alice Cooper -  -------------
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Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: June 07 2010 at 10:46
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: June 07 2010 at 10:59
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My nephew (6 years) has already his favourites:
1.- Selling England by the Pound
2.- Dark Side of the Moon
3.- A night at the Opera
4.- The War of the Worlds
I don't know if he fully understands them, but he lis listens this CD's and watchs the DVD's all day long.
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Posted By: Lizzy
Date Posted: June 07 2010 at 11:19
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Prog indoctrination should start at a very early age. Even if the kids cannot stand it now, in 15-20 years they'll be the biggest progheads you'll know. Long road trips with music also help a lot. As for early Genesis and teens, well, all I can say is that I have been introduced to them by a 14 year-old kid. I'm lame just like that, but truly thankful. |
Posted By: m2thek
Date Posted: June 07 2010 at 11:24
| I'm 19, and Genesis is my favorite band. So, yes =P |
Posted By: rod65
Date Posted: June 07 2010 at 11:32
Yes to your comment on road trips. On a recent week out of town, I had the CD player stocked with prog. Very often, when we got into the car, my daughter (2 1/2 yrs) would ask for "driving music."
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Posted By: Lizzy
Date Posted: June 07 2010 at 11:44
Awww. That is very sweet. Well, we've always liked to travel, and since my dad was in charge of the driving part, he'd also pick the music; so we'd get a lot Kansas, Tull, DIO or Zappa in the car. Now we do get a lot of Genesis and Blackmore's Night (this one's for my mom ). But the thing is, that now when I'm listening to certain albums, I tend associate them with different places, which really brings a lot of good memories.Keep on playing that 'driving music'.:D |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: June 07 2010 at 11:44
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Yes of course. There are plenty of teenagers on this forum who know good music when they hear it, including early Genesis..
I fist picked up on prog at about 14, and was listening to early Genesis by about 15. That was mid 80's so there was plenty of ghastly processed pop music on he radio to distract me. I chose to ignore most of it. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: migdal
Date Posted: June 07 2010 at 11:46
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Once I was a teenager too [in the '70is.] and i was listening prog.rock,I remember Genesis "Live" was my favorite,but I was listening and Krautrock like Can - "Ege Bamyasi",Amon Duul II - "Wolf City" and Faust "IV" When I was start listening music (because of my older sister) with The beatles ,The Rolling Stones,The Who, Easy Beats,T,Rex.....(and I was born in a socialistic ex.Yugoslavia,now I live in Republic of Macedonia),so there is no rules.....
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: June 07 2010 at 11:47
That might explain a few things, too. Although what I am not quite certain of.  ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: June 07 2010 at 12:05
No. It is impossible for the modern teenager to stay awake for long enough let alone concentrate for more than 10mins at a time.  ------------- Help me I'm falling! |
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: June 07 2010 at 12:09
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Funny...how kids still "fall asleep" to music. I remember putting on the big beefy Koss headphones and listening to Fly By Night and falling asleep. It was weird cause the volume was pretty high and I still fell asleep...only to be woken up by a loud transition pc.
I was using my fathers reel-reel so I could hear a lot of music without having to flip a vinyl or cassette tape in my sleep. Yes and DSOTM were other favs to fall asleep by... -------------   
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Posted By: PopLies
Date Posted: June 07 2010 at 12:10
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I think it's just a matter of taste. If they have good taste, then yes, they can enjoy early Genesis and the like. |
Posted By: himtroy
Date Posted: June 07 2010 at 12:53
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Yeah....I'm only eighteen and am as into prog as the people here are. I've been that way for a few years too. I also have a five person band, every one of us are around my age and very into prog rock. ------------- Which of you to gain me, tell, will risk uncertain pains of hell? I will not forgive you if you will not take the chance. |
Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: June 07 2010 at 13:02
I was a teenager once....some time ago......hmmm.....it's all getting hazy  Yes is the answer. My 8 year old son is already very keen on Gabriel. He is slowly but surely being introduced to some Marillion, Yes, and harder stuff to wean him off Cowell and his bloody awful pap  I WILL succeed ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org Now also broadcasting on www.progzilla.com Every Saturday, 4.00 p.m. UK time! |
Posted By: VanVanVan
Date Posted: June 07 2010 at 13:27
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I'm 18 and I think Genesis is probably the greatest prog band that has ever existed, even though I got into the genre mainly through newer stuff. When I'm older and I have kids Supper's Ready will be their lullaby. ------------- "The meaning of life is to give life meaning."-Arjen Lucassen |
Posted By: Chris S
Date Posted: June 07 2010 at 13:29
From Nate Dogg to Bo Hansson. My kids have been growing up on prog for the past 22 years. Last week I came home and the 21 year old and 16 Year old were playing Rush - Roll The Bones. What a pleasure, Pink Floyd or Mike Oldfield arguably their favourites, but they love current music  such as their generation and non prog like Van Morrison, Simple Minds, Waterboys etc. My wife and I taught them well On the flip side they have introduced me to some decent stuff occasionally
Early Genesis? They sing along to it.......................------------- ...As I venture through the slipstream, between the viaducts in your dreams...[/COLOR] |
Posted By: rod65
Date Posted: June 07 2010 at 13:30
Hi, migdal. I see this is your first post. Welcome.
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Posted By: Wiktor Hatif
Date Posted: June 07 2010 at 14:00
Actually, I don't know if it is such a good idea to teach prog at this age. When he/she'll grow to his teenage mutiny he/she most certainly will turn back to this music, as it's gonna link with a childhood :/ ------------- "Ffffaaahhh, seeko baaaaaa Neeeeee toe, kare lo yeahhh Sa sa sa sa saa! Fssss Drrrrrrrrr bo ki! Rapateeka! do go taaaam Rapateeka! do go tchaa" - "Atom Heart Mother" Pink Floyd/Ron Geesin |
Posted By: elder08
Date Posted: June 07 2010 at 14:02
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Idk why me and a couple of fellow proggies my age can't really get into genesis I really don't know why but they don't grip me I like them but I don't really listen to much of them ------------- "There are people who say we [Pink Floyd] should make room for younger bands. That's not the way it works. They can make their own room."- David Gilmour |
Posted By: Tsevir Leirbag
Date Posted: June 07 2010 at 16:51
Selling England by the Pound ≠ Noisy
Ruins or Merzbow = Noisy
However, I'm fifteen and I'm way into free jazz, contemporary music, musique actuelle, fusion, Rock in Opposition, Zeuhl and progressive music... ------------- Les mains, les pieds balancés Sur tant de mers, tant de planchers, Un marin mort, Il dormira - Paul Éluard |
Posted By: Tursake
Date Posted: June 07 2010 at 16:56
Im a teenager and I enjoy early Genesis, end of discussion 
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Posted By: Scizoidman94
Date Posted: June 07 2010 at 16:56
| I'm 16 and i love genesis. I started when I was 15 so i'm kinda a newbie. |
Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: June 07 2010 at 16:56
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I've been listening to Prog since I was a little boy, though my first music "love" was alt. rock and hard rock, then slowly started to appreciate Prog more and more and with the arrival to this site... well... you know..
I started to 'really' appreciate Prog when I was 14, now I'm 16.
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Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: June 07 2010 at 17:01
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Absolutely. I'm a teenager and PG-era Genesis is some of my favorite music.
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Posted By: TGM: Orb
Date Posted: June 07 2010 at 17:09
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No. It's completely and utterly impossible for anyone who under the age of 20 to wield the intellectual and emotional maturity required to appreciate the otherworldly textures of The Fountain Of Salmacis or the morally infused rock of The Musical Box. If you fall into this unfortunate and loutish group, your time would be better spent familiarising yourself with We Can't Dance or, if you're feeling bold, perhaps even Invisible Touch. Duke shouldn't be approached before 15 and Wind & Wuthering is a bit thematically complicated for an underdeveloped psyche. /thread Of course teenagers can enjoy early Genesis... next? |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: June 07 2010 at 17:19
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Absolutely not, ignore all of the teenagers at PA who claim to enjoy such music and at other prog sites and discount people such as myself who listened to such music when they were teens and earlier and remember really liking it back then, but are really false memories, cause they don't count. It's completely delusional. The only music teenagers can really enjoy is Magma, Univers Zero and the like. To put it in teen-speak, wurdah Genesis! ;) Seriously, my daughter's been enjoying some music I like since she was very small, she's now six, as long as it's not horrifyingly bizarre. She likes Magma and William Sheller. My son's favourite (three) is a Jean-Paul Vannier track which he calls the "uh-uh' song and often requests it. I just played my daughter and son some early Genesis, "Fireside Song" off Genesis first, and they didn't seem to like it. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: June 07 2010 at 17:29
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OK after reading some of the posts in this thread, teenagers should be forbidden. Of course anytime you forbid a teenager from doing something, you know what's likely to happen. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: The Monodrone
Date Posted: June 07 2010 at 18:42
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To answer your question: Yes, very much so. I'm an 18 year old male and I've been listening to Gabriel-era Genesis for a few years. They're definitely my favorite Symphonic Progressive band. Foxtrot and SEbtP are some of my favorite all-time albums. Supper's Ready became a favorite of mine after I listened to it enough to memorize the lyrics! ... Radio music utterly dreadful... -------------  
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Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: June 07 2010 at 19:03
One o fthe funniest posts here.
Yes I am surprised at so many teens here. i shouldnt be but just cos i am an old dude doesnt mean we all are. Oh well. continue the conversation peolpe; its fascinating that this thread took off. i thought it was a personal thing but it seems we all have something to say on the topic. i didnt expect 4 pages on it but i am delighted it sparked some interest.. -------------
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Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: June 07 2010 at 19:10
I will talk to you in understandable english
early Genesis = very good
Post Gabriel Genesis up to Duke = satisfactory
Post Duke up to last album = very bad
seriously I would not play Magma in front of my kids as they would run for cover and i would get the LOOK from my wife. But she likes Collins, so we have some mutual agreement here that our kids could listen to Genesis without argument so I am going for that. -------------
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Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: June 07 2010 at 19:15
I am starting to feel very old. i wonder if i am the oldest around here? oh well, look at me as a father figure for prog.
As a teen I can only remeber Sweet, Kiss, and Floyd. I had The Wall, that is definite and I rmember flicking thru the war of the Worlds booklet - vinyl was king and I was surrounded by vinyl, the album covers were all over the floor and I spent hours studying them. Now look at me, a hopeless proghead!
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Posted By: Tsevir Leirbag
Date Posted: June 07 2010 at 19:17
Seriously, I don't see why Magma couldn't be listened to by children. It is one of the best bands ever. ------------- Les mains, les pieds balancés Sur tant de mers, tant de planchers, Un marin mort, Il dormira - Paul Éluard |
Posted By: renoprog
Date Posted: June 07 2010 at 19:45
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I enjoyed reading everybody's posts.
But I just remembered that my young pre-teen daughter loved "sherazade" by renaisance. I highly reccomend that. She also loved Jacula when she was younger because of the Ghoolish cover. For some reason she was in a weird mood. To get her to stop crying, we had to tell her that someone is getting killed on tv.
Considering Genesis: The first song I thought of was "harold the barrel". Then I remembered the sad ending. Their are a lot of Genesis songs that have the story telling quality. I thinks it helps explaining the song ahead of time.
Also "the snow goose" if you have the actual story behind it. I remember seeing a made for tv movie of it. I can't recall if it was from English tv or not. Also I would think the cool vocals that Gentle Giant would do might remind them of "row, row, row your boat" ------------- "I brake for Proggers" |
Posted By: missinglink07
Date Posted: June 07 2010 at 20:06
I'm 17 and i've been listening to Genesis for about 2 years now, so yes, they can  I've got everything from their debut through Wind & Wuthering.Just from my own experiences and observations, it's around age 13-15 that kids will start to develop their musical tastes beyond whatever their parents listen to or what's on the radio. Typically you get those who like classic rock, those who like metal, those who like pop/hip-hop, and in rare cases those who like prog (the cool ones ).------------- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=841cXnzESZw - A song I wrote, please listen! |
Posted By: Thandrus
Date Posted: June 07 2010 at 20:06
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Heh, my relationships with Genesis have been weird, to say least. I even remember writing some bashing posts on this forum Now Genesis is one of my most favorites :) So my advice: if you wan't to get a teenage girl to listen to Genesis, put either something less complicated ("Dusk", "After The Ordeal") or something overtly romantic ("One For The Vine"). |
Posted By: Xanthous
Date Posted: June 07 2010 at 20:25
| Fifteen years old here and I enjoy a little bit of the Genesis every once in awhile. I'm more into Tangerine Dream and that kind of stuff, but you can never go wrong with the early Genesis. |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: June 07 2010 at 20:41
My daughter actually likes "Cuckoo Cocoon" and it was unfair of me to test her with a track from From Genesis to Revelation. This is what got her into Magma when she was about three: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3gt7f_jade-chante-magma_music - http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3gt7f_jade-chante-magma_music Watching videos of kids singing or playing "prog" can work wonders. More of us who have young kids might considering making such vids in or order to progelytize the kids at a very early age. That worked wonders in Magmatizing her, and even led her to invent her own language called Im. My wife is very tolerant of the music I like provided it's on softly. I wouldn't play Comus in front of the kids or wife. She's not a music lover, though. We do both like Abba and various J-pop stuff. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts |
Posted By: UndercoverBoy
Date Posted: June 07 2010 at 21:16
| I'm fifteen and love early Genesis. They used to be my favorite band. |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: June 07 2010 at 21:25
Yep ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: ProgressiveAttic
Date Posted: June 07 2010 at 21:31
I got in love with early Genesis as a teenager (13) and still am both a 70s Genesis fan and a teenager (18)  ------------- Michael's Sonic Kaleidoscope Mondays 5:00pm EST(re-runs Thursdays 3:00pm) @ Delicious Agony Progressive Rock Radio(http://www.deliciousagony.com) 
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: June 07 2010 at 22:22
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wow 5 pages already, incredible-- though Yes, Tull and Crimson were popular with my friends in high school, almost no one knew of Genesis (at least not the original one). Strange because prog was rather well respected in California in the 80s, even albums as Discipline and 90215 were popular, but not early Genesis, almost like they didn't exist. Weird. Maybe all the pop stuff had soured their reputation, or maybe with Gabriel having such a strong solo career, they'd become moot. |
Posted By: kawkaw123
Date Posted: June 07 2010 at 22:59
| Yes, because i do and im 20. but I still prefer newer prog bands. I don't get the fascination with the older bands here maybe its because the majority of the people here are old. I mean sure Genesis and Yes both have there classics but they aren't any better than the new bands out there. |
Posted By: Horny Watermelon
Date Posted: June 07 2010 at 23:00
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i think its more the question of, "can teenagers enjoy prog"? When i
first got into prog at 15, my friend and i were the only people in our
year who listened to it. Even though mostly everyone i talked to about
prog admitted to never listening to it, they still made jokes and gave
us lots of crap about it. To each their own i suppose. I just hate when people say that music 'artists' such as lady gaga and all those electronic rap songs are 'real music'. its quite sad. |
Posted By: trackstoni
Date Posted: June 08 2010 at 03:43
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Doubt it , but , maybe 20 years & over ,and specially the early ones of Genesis !!!!!! ------------- Tracking Tracks of Rock |
Posted By: dedokras
Date Posted: June 08 2010 at 03:50
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absolutely, I started listening to early Genesis 15 years ago at 15, so...yes
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Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: June 08 2010 at 04:02
Today We watched the "Genesis Video Show" DVD and when we got to 'I Cant dance' I was cringing but she laughed at the silly antics of the trio walking like wirdos. My little 4 yr old son said "are we watching The Goodies?" And that summed it up for me. a lot of Genesis clips were funny or silly even with Benny Hill in one and Spitting Image puppets in another. But it was great to listen to Genesis instead of Hannah Montana for a while. we saw bits of the "Live In Rome" DVD but she lost interest very quickly, though thought it was funny te crowd singing and Collins taking photos of the crowd. Whereas the Video Clips sparked her interest with hundreds of questions such as , who is that guy, does he play drums too, why does he look like a priest, whos the keybrd player, whats this song about (No Son of Mine, Jesus He Knows me, Ripples), Why do they have symbols all over their DVD cover etc etc etc etc...... It was a fun time. -------------
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Posted By: XunknownX
Date Posted: June 08 2010 at 04:08
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Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: June 08 2010 at 04:11
I enjoyed watching Genesis on DVD with family though. I think its the first time they accepted my music.... Genesis seem to appeal to a wide audience. All ages are in the audience at concerts and all types of people - Genesis seem to appeal to a target audience wider than the average prog.
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Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: June 08 2010 at 04:12
Definitions of teenager on the Web:
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Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: June 08 2010 at 04:18
| I already enjoyed Genesis when I was a little kid. One of my older brothers was in his teens and he was really into Genesis, Yes, Kayak etc. and I remember that I thought he had quite some fascinating music. |
Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: June 08 2010 at 04:22
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Hmmmm heres a good site too
Teenagers there are some that are good all of the time but they are few and far between. If you are or were blessed with even one of those always good ones, count yourself as being one of the very fortunate of peoples of this world. The rest of them well let me just say that they have the other kind. Let’s face it the trouble with most teenagers’ lies in their parent’s genes or DNA or whatever that thing is that is passed down to them from their parents and grandparents. You know what I mean…that badness or that goofiness or that seriousness or that meanness or that shyness or that cantankerous thing that your father had on his side of the family or your mother had on your mother’s side of the family. What can we do about those things that we would like to change if we could? Well, in my humble opinion, there exists little or nothing that we can do to change that which is built into them. About all that we can attempt to do is to make ourselves admit to ourselves that our son or our daughter has those traits that we never cared for in him or in her and we must not try to make them different from what they are but we must learn how to work with what he or she has and build as decent a person as we can from what we have got to work with. That means that we must learn that our children’s flow is going to often go against our own flow and at those times we must let that flow of theirs flow around us or over us and then once that is done we must let our flow surround them and comfort them and encourage them in helping them to use their flow to mesh with this worlds’ flow more naturally so that we all can flow and mix our flows together to make life good and sound for all of us everywhere. What exactly does all of this flowing business need to do with a sometimes disrespectful or a belligerent teenager or a son or daughter that lies or cheats or is just plain lazy or bullies? Well, I think that once we accept the facts about our sons and our daughters their innate shortcomings for what they are and from whence they came and admit to ourselves that our son and our daughter are not going to change those attitudes or those unwanted and often times unwarranted outburst of temper or that laziness that was born in them the sooner we all will see that those episodes that we dislike or even hate about our children will subsist and decline to the point of near extinction. However, if we are unable to accept these unlikable or detestable (to us) traits that are in our own children, well, I am thinking that we are only going to set our family’s lives up for trouble and more trouble until that day comes when our children have children and teens of their very own at which time we as parents get our long awaited parental revenge. But, do you want to wait ten or fifteen years or more for that revenge or would you rather forgo the revenge part and go after the more immediate relief effort that the flowing of all rivers experience on their winding and bumpy way to the everlasting expanse and wonderment of this world’s deep oceans? Read more: http://warnick.instablogs.com/entry/why-are-teenagers-so-hard-to-raise/#ixzz0qFfA64hY - http://warnick.instablogs.com/entry/why-are-teenagers-so-hard-to-raise/#ixzz0qFfA64hY Now that is deep.............. comments? agree? disagree? whats it got to do with OP? Keep the comments coming as this is more enlightening than the polls at present. -------------
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Posted By: progkidjoel
Date Posted: June 08 2010 at 04:53
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I've loved early Genesis (especially A Trick Of The Tail and Foxtrot) since before I was 10, and still do as a 16 year old. So definitely yes!
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Date Posted: June 08 2010 at 04:58
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Posted By: progkidjoel
Date Posted: June 08 2010 at 05:00
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^Same here - I also have a massive soft spot for Invisible Touch... Easily a 4 star album for me
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Posted By: Textbook
Date Posted: June 08 2010 at 05:24
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As a father myself, I find the biggest problem with this kind of relationship is that the father pushes his "obviously superior" progressive music onto his children, but does not reciprocate by sitting down to take their music seriously, which can, even if the child does not express it, paint him as an out-of-touch snob who is to be endured until he goes back to his room. I'm not saying this is ACR's situation, I wouldn't know, but it seems to be quite common. |