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Points: 1601 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 08 2010 at 23:52
Originally posted by gottagetintogetout gottagetintogetout wrote:

All Rock music is Pop.  Discuss.

Not even remotely true....discussion terminated.
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Originally posted by gottagetintogetout gottagetintogetout wrote:

All Rock music is Pop.  Discuss.


different stages of pop Ermm

but the difference is significant and obviously chronologically distinct

As I said, the 60s/70s represented a cultural upswing in pop music, the 80s to today a dramatic downswing, just like economics, the rate of profit, and politics.


This gives you a pretty good idea of the strength of the American economy. After the 70s the US became a debtor nation.
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Originally posted by RoyFairbank RoyFairbank wrote:

Originally posted by gottagetintogetout gottagetintogetout wrote:

All Rock music is Pop.  Discuss.


different stages of pop Ermm

but the difference is significant and obviously chronologically distinct

As I said, the 60s/70s represented a cultural upswing in pop music, the 80s to today a dramatic downswing, just like economics, the rate of profit, and politics.


This gives you a pretty good idea of the strength of the American economy. After the 70s the US became a debtor nation.
You win. I can't argue aginst numbers I don't understand LOL
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Points: 3968 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 09 2010 at 03:47
Originally posted by RoyFairbank RoyFairbank wrote:

Originally posted by Marty McFly Marty McFly wrote:

Radio GaGa
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Lady oh Gaga

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there's just something creepy and sad about it LOL

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Originally posted by gottagetintogetout gottagetintogetout wrote:

All Rock music is Pop.  Discuss.

I recall reading Peter Hammill saying that he considered VDGG pop, and they are one of the weirdest of the major 70s prog bands.

I can't source this, however. 
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Originally posted by Kestrel Kestrel wrote:

Originally posted by gottagetintogetout gottagetintogetout wrote:

All Rock music is Pop.  Discuss.

I recall reading Peter Hammill saying that he considered VDGG pop, and they are one of the weirdest of the major 70s prog bands.

I can't source this, however. 



Cardiacs' Tim Smith always maintained they're a pop band. i think it very much depends how we define "pop".

I watched a Lady Gaga video just now to try and put a sound to the image... The video was pretty nicely done. Strong visuals, a good dash of humour, top notch editing. The music, on the other hand, seemed to be a summary of every bland, indistinct trope of R&B-inspired pop which has been dominating the charts for a few years now. In short, a triumph of style over substance and as such, exemplary pop music.
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Not a fan of her music (great verses, weak choruses) but I do find her to be a very colorful personality and not just a dull android like all the other pop divas.
 
Also, is it wrong that I still want to shag her in spite of the rumors of her being a hermaphrodite? Shocked


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Originally posted by boo boo boo boo wrote:

Not a fan of her music (great verses, weak choruses) but I do find her to be a very colorful personality and not just a dull android like all the other pop divas.
 
Also, is it wrong that I still want to shag her in spite of the rumors of her being a hermaphrodite? Shocked


Not wrong, no, but double the fun.....
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Originally posted by boo boo boo boo wrote:

Also, is it wrong that I still want to shag her in spite of the rumors of her being a hermaphrodite? Shocked
She's not a hermaphrodite, those rumors are really dumb. There's no way she could fit a dick into the outfits she wears, the whole thing started from a low res Youtube video for crying out loud.
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Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

Originally posted by RoyFairbank RoyFairbank wrote:

 
Wrong. There doesn't have to be imagery. I didn't say that. But when there is, is to reinforce a progressive form of music. Obviously, a Pink Floyd concert is about the music, despite the complex imagery. Pop uses imagery entirely differently in relation to music.

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These are just your perceptions and opinions, you know.  There are prog fans who don't like Gabriel or Fish's costumes either and I think a few posters have made a good case above for why Lady Gaga's image is not so completely unrelated to the music as you suggest.  Taking your arguments seriously requires assuming that everybody who listens to pop is empty in the top rack and that is quite a ridiculous assumption to say the least.



Its not about the music. Its a about the surrounding problems, the social problems. Lady Gaga - it has nothing to do with her as an individual or even her music as such - she is part of an exploitative set up which takes advantage of the masses and shovels sub-par cultural substitutes down their throats very lucratively. She is in the pop music business and a part of all the profit making and garbage production, in fact one of its "faces." That's a problem. Prog was strangled by this machine, but even Prog isn't the solution. What is needed- a new culture on serious, humanitarian foundations. Pop isn't either. Time to tear the whole capitalist edifice down. A few generations from now all that is made today, even the music this site covers, will be seen as false and backward. At the moment however, we can choose between the product of a cultural upswing in the 1960s and 70s, or the product of a declining era. That's prog vs. pop to me. 

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Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

Originally posted by RoyFairbank (also known as Jesus the second) RoyFairbank (also known as Jesus the second) wrote:




Its not about the music. Its a about the surrounding problems, the social problems. Lady Gaga - it has nothing to do with her as an individual or even her music as such - she is part of an exploitative set up which takes advantage of the masses and shovels sub-par cultural substitutes down their throats very lucratively. She is in the pop music business and a part of all the profit making and garbage production, in fact one of its "faces." That's a problem. Prog was strangled by this machine, but even Prog isn't the solution. What is needed- a new culture on serious, humanitarian foundations. Pop isn't either. Time to tear the whole capitalist edifice down. A few generations from now all that is made today, even the music this site covers, will be seen as false and backward. At the moment however, we can choose between the product of a cultural upswing in the 1960s and 70s, or the product of a declining era. That's prog vs. pop to me. 

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Argh, why do prog fans always have the most ridiculous opinions...


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Points: 3968 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 09 2010 at 16:11

Who was more favourite, Lady Gaga now or Britney Spears 10 years ago ?


One more thing - Prog is solution if you want. Pop is solution if you want. Just take whatever will make you happy. But isn't it strange to discuss pure pop on PROG forum ? How is it connected ?

What about Progressive Pop ? :-D
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Originally posted by Marty McFly Marty McFly wrote:

Who was more favourite, Lady Gaga now or Britney Spears 10 years ago ?


One more thing - Prog is solution if you want. Pop is solution if you want. Just take whatever will make you happy. But isn't it strange to discuss pure pop on PROG forum ? How is it connected ?

What about Progressive Pop ? :-D



Prog Pop and Prog Rock/Pop= Genesis after 1980, Asia,  just to start

Contrapositive (Pop/Rock of the prog-like variety): some lesser efforts of the Who, bands like Talk Talk in their hit days. That's very very good pop/rock with progressive sensibilities.

It does exist. However, I did not start this thread. I started a thread on prog elitism or the prog gag reflex. Someone else started this thread in support of Gaga. Someone had to represent the opposing side. I'm a thankless hero.


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Any genre can be expanded upon so it's dumb to think pop can't be progressive as any genre can.
 
The late Beatles stuff for example is easily progressive pop music. I'd say David Bowie, Super Furry Animals, Talking Heads, Primal Scream and a lot of the more creative britpop groups (such as Starsailor and The Verve) make pop music that is also very progressive. Not "prog rock" mind you.
 
The dream pop movement is another good example.
 
Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

Originally posted by boo boo boo boo wrote:

Also, is it wrong that I still want to shag her in spite of the rumors of her being a hermaphrodite? Shocked
She's not a hermaphrodite, those rumors are really dumb. There's no way she could fit a dick into the outfits she wears, the whole thing started from a low res Youtube video for crying out loud.
 
Oh I know it's bullcrap, I was joking.
 
Not the "want to shag her" part, that much is serious. Embarrassed


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I listened, i read about her, I watched a few videos. I can't stand her! Music industry construct, like Madonna, like Briteny Spears, etc. The Industry has a formula for cranking out these controversial, sexy, persona's that attract the masses. 

It doesn't bother me, I avoid it and listen to what I want to listen to. It's interesting how this thread has inflamed so much emotion.
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I don't think Gaga is popular because of her sex appeal, I find her attractive in a weird way but she doesn't fit the media's idea of a bombshell at all and there's plenty of divas who do, Katy Perry was way prettier but her 15 minutes of fame has already expired and now she's doing commercials for Acme treatment. Meanwhile Gaga is still going strong.

So why would a less "pretty" singer be so popular? Surely there's something that makes her so appealing to people.
 
Madonna is a parody of herself at this point, but I still defend her 80s material as genuinely good pop music. As for Britney, at first it was because she was hot jailbait, now I just think people feel sorry for her.


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Katy Perry was way prettier but her 15 minutes of fame has already expired and now she's doing commercials for Acme treatment. Meanwhile Gaga is still going strong.




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Maxim owns Blender magazine who listed Peter Gabriel and Ian Anderson among the worst lyricists in rock music so that should tell you something about their credibility.
 
I certainly don't agree with her being at number 1, but I wouldn't turn her down either.
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Originally posted by boo boo boo boo wrote:

Maxim owns Blender magazine who listed Peter Gabriel and Ian Anderson among the worst lyricists in rock music so that should tell you something about their credibility.
 
I certainly don't agree with her being at number 1, but I wouldn't turn her down either.


Wasn't my point.  My point was Perry isn't the washed up girl you said she was in terms of fame.

As for me, I'm as heterosexual as they come, and I do not find most of the women they least even remotely appealing.
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Oh, I guess she still is pretty popular then, my mistake.
 
As for the Maxim list, as with any list I agree with some of it and disagree with other things. I'm not big on Kim Kardashian or Marisa Miller. Rihanna is pretty but overrated.
 
Megan Fox is gorgeous, if a bit overexposed and not to mention a pretty terrible actress.
 
But anyway, I'm quote fond of Zoe Saldana. Heart


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Originally posted by boo boo boo boo wrote:

Oh, I guess she still is pretty popular then, my mistake.
 
As for the Maxim list, as with any list I agree with some of it and disagree with other things. I'm not big on Kim Kardashian or Marisa Miller. Rihanna is pretty but overrated.
 
Megan Fox is gorgeous, if a bit overexposed and not to mention a pretty terrible actress.
 
But anyway, I'm quote fond of Zoe Saldana. Heart


I simply do not get what people see in Megan Fox.  Dead

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