Lady Gaga
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Topic: Lady Gaga
Posted By: Stonebolt
Subject: Lady Gaga
Date Posted: May 07 2010 at 20:04
I thought this would either create some mature interesting discussion, or an all out flame war. Either way, I figure the responses to this thread will amuse me. Anyway, here's my list of reasons why I like Lady Gaga:
1) She's a character: When hearing somebody like Lady Gaga or Marylin Manson for the first time, a lot of people cringe at the vastly innappropriate lyrics, think "what a freak," and turn it off. People may also do the same thing when looking at their costumes and makeup. It's true that Lady Gaga's lyrics, stage persona, and appearance are perverted. But here's the thing: Lady Gaga is a CHARACTER, not a REAL PERSON. She's played by a singer/composer/actress. Lady Gaga blends the art of characterisation with the art of music, just like prog artists blend visual art and music. I acknowladge that Lady Gaga hasn't done anything original here. Pretty much all pop artists, rappers, shock rockers, and many metal artists blend music with characterisation. But I think Lady Gaga has a better character than most. She is completely is your face, upbeat, outlandish, and is shows no angst or disrespect for the opposite sex.
2) She creates pretty good synth lines: She hits the listener over the head with a cool electronic riff as soon as you turn on the song. It's not very subtle but it works. Even if you hate her voice, song structure, and lyrics, try listening to the opening riffs of Love Game or Just Dance. Admit it: If that was a guitar playing that riff you'd love it.
3) She can actually sing: Ok, she uses a lot of electronic effects on her voice but she doesn't NEED them. She can actually sing smoothly and on pitch naturally. You probably haven't heard her do that, and it's not on the radio, but it's around. And it's not just good technique, it's also that her voice just naturally sounds good. It's not whiny or annoying like some other pop stars.
4) Parts of her songs flow so smoothly it's almost spacey: The chorus of Papparazi is the perfect example of this. (no really) Sometimes it seems like all the parts of the of her songs are flowing together, somehow being unusually consonant, which I realize is an oxymoron, but I don't know how to explain it better.
One thing I can say that's a weak point of her music though is this: It gets a little old. However pretty much every artist has at least one "weak point" in my opinion.
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Posted By: RoyFairbank
Date Posted: May 07 2010 at 20:26
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Completely disagree (100%) but only know 1% of her material. Her persona, pretentious costumes and lip-syncing escapades with gay dancers is disgusting and unartistical and utterly commercial. What I've heard of her music is unoriginal, grating and full of contempt for the listener. It can be encapsulated in this smilie equation: Gaga=  |
Posted By: Stonebolt
Date Posted: May 07 2010 at 20:32
| Lol, well I'm just glad you expressed you opinion Roy. |
Posted By: A Person
Date Posted: May 07 2010 at 20:35
| I don't hate Lady Gaga as much as I do some other pop, that's gotta count for something, right? |
Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: May 07 2010 at 20:45
You're complaining about pretentious costumes....on a prog forum? If you hear something behind you I think it is PETER GABRIEL WITH A KNIFE LOOK OUT! As far as I know, she doesn't lip-sync. Unartistic? By what standards do you get to measure what is "art"? If you don't like something, is it simply not art? Does intending to make money really render something "not art"? How can the intent change the nature of the object? Can you make a value judgment on Lady Gaga when you admit you haven't heard much of her work? For that matter, is it possible to make a value judgment on the work of others at all? ------------- if you own a sodastream i hate you |
Posted By: thellama73
Date Posted: May 07 2010 at 20:51
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I'm with you, man. I have gone on record a bunch of times on this forum expressing admiration for GaGa. I think she has a real flair for writing catchy songs, which is a really difficult thing to do well, and she doesn't seem to be the trashy, disgusting role model that a lot of young pop singers are. She actually seems pretty centered.
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Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: May 07 2010 at 21:26
HP has already said it, but you realize that this is what people who don't listen to prog might say about Fish? Being that one of the foremost prog rock bands and certainly one that's liked by many on this forum was at the forefront of ermmm commercialization in the 80s, I am not able to condemn an artist for the only reason of being commercial.  |
Posted By: zappaholic
Date Posted: May 07 2010 at 21:45
Miss Germanotta is pop music's greatest troll (I mean in the internet sense of the word). She's gaming the system for all she can, and is having a big laugh at both her fans and her detractors.
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Posted By: UndercoverBoy
Date Posted: May 07 2010 at 21:55
I agree. The fact that she writes all her music and doesn't use auto-tune already puts her miles ahead most other pop stars out there.
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Posted By: RoyFairbank
Date Posted: May 07 2010 at 21:57
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To all who challenge me: Peter Gabriel and Fish do not lip-sync, they do not dress as universes and need help exiting limos, they did not do it for money (they could and in Gabriel's case would do it to a greater degree doing the opposite), they were doing it to express the music, which was artistical prog, not stupid madonna like pop. The slipperman says something to me, GAY DANCERS AND FISH NET DON'T. All modern pop is written by old bald men and engineered in the studio aimed at the lowest denominator- Genesis and Marillion were aimed at expanding the boundaries in an original and authentic way (less for Marillion ) they addressed important issues (look at Back In NYC or the even better life force of He Knows You Know or anything from Clutching at Straws). Lady GaGa by positioning herself as the "Princess of Pop" is balancing herself atop a cesspool. I don't care how much glitter she uses to try to hide it. I'll stick to searching for meaningful Music and when I can't find it, I'll go for skilled works of the past like 80s AOR and Experimental sh*t. I have come. I have spoken. I have came. btw I refuse to believe GuyGuy does not use auto-tune and that she writes her own material |
Posted By: RoyFairbank
Date Posted: May 07 2010 at 22:02
^supplment to previous post
These are production people.... the old bald men I was talking about.... Gaga gets only one alone credit.... but this is common in Modern pop, they get credits just for singing (with auto-tune) LOOK AT BEYONSE, SHE GETS A CREDIT JUST FOR SINGING ON TELEPHONE SEE? |
Posted By: zappaholic
Date Posted: May 07 2010 at 22:03
TMI, dude.
/sorry, had to
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Posted By: RoyFairbank
Date Posted: May 07 2010 at 22:07
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Posted By: UndercoverBoy
Date Posted: May 07 2010 at 22:11
Lady Gaga also doesn't lip-synch either. She's in a completely different universe than Britney Spears and the other shallow pop stars you pigeon-hole her into, and I would take her music over 80's AOR any day.
I can't believe that I feel so adamantly about defending Lady Gaga (I really am not a fan,) but I think that some of your attacks are a bit misguided, especially considering you've admitted to only hearing 1% of her music.
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Posted By: thellama73
Date Posted: May 07 2010 at 22:15
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I think Speechless is the second best song on The Fame Monster (after Teeth.) I don't understand why so many critics panned it.
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Posted By: RoyFairbank
Date Posted: May 07 2010 at 22:16
My references to 80s AOR and listening to 1% of her music are tongue-in-cheek, because I realize the humor of my position  but my criticism stands:For instance, I just proved she doesn't write her own material. We all know from looking at Prog credits what what I posted means. She almost certainly lip-syncs (on American Idol she did), and absolutely absolutely uses auto-tune and related programs. She's well handled, well created, she's supposed to be "edgy" and aims at a slighty older audience but other than that there is no difference from her and any other Pop Tart |
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: May 07 2010 at 22:17
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I have never heard her music. Not one bar. I will say that she intrigues me, however. But not enough to be bothered. I am lazy, you understand.  ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: thellama73
Date Posted: May 07 2010 at 22:21
It's fine that you don't believe she writes any of her own music, but you have an awfully strange definition of "proof." -------------
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Posted By: RoyFairbank
Date Posted: May 07 2010 at 22:22
You've never listened to her music. Okay so your 99% like me in that category. However, mr. big text, what intrigues you about her? You know a previous poster just revealed she's a fake blonde (I think)? That just kills it for me man. |
Posted By: UndercoverBoy
Date Posted: May 07 2010 at 22:23
| Someone dying their hair for a character kills the music for you? You have a very strange view on musical quality. |
Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: May 07 2010 at 22:24
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I don't care one way or another -- I don't like dance music.
As with most humans, I wish her well, though. ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: RoyFairbank
Date Posted: May 07 2010 at 22:25
a-hem:
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Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: May 07 2010 at 22:27
Because only Fish and Gabriel get to dress up. If anybody else does it, it's disgusting.  |
Posted By: thellama73
Date Posted: May 07 2010 at 22:27
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^^Yes, I saw it the first two times you posted it. Co-writing credits don't prove anything. By your logic, she could have written everything and those guys could have been given partial credit for some minor production details they added.
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Posted By: RoyFairbank
Date Posted: May 07 2010 at 22:30
They are professional songwriters who work with people like Brittany Spears. Look at the links. They weren't just sipping tea while Gaga twirled hits out of her fingers btw. my references to her hair dying are because I like blondes and was making joke.   |
Posted By: thellama73
Date Posted: May 07 2010 at 22:34
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Donovan was a professional songwriter who appeared on Alice Cooper's "No More Mister Nice Guy" but didn't help write it. Paul McCartney was a professional songwriter who chomped carrots on the Beach Boys' "Vegetables" but didn't help write it. Those guys are also production geniuses, so that may be where their credits come from. Or maybe they helped polish out some rough edges in the songwriting, but there's no evidence that she wrote none of of it, as you claim.
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Posted By: RoyFairbank
Date Posted: May 07 2010 at 22:41
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Au Contraire if I could speak french Where is the evidence that she wrote any of it? They aren't just production specialists as you claim. They are primarily song-writers, in fact, some of the best in the world. It is fashionable however to give stupid credits so the "artist" can save face. Come on you know this. When they write hits for Spears and her ilk, Destiny's child, etc. that is their job... they don't downgrade their job for one artist. Further - alice cooper and Paul McCartney could obviously write and were playing in a time when they were expected to be able to do so. In the 80s people started using professional writers (though some genres had been doing so already and very much so in the 1960s). Even good bands with some experience in writing. Jefferson Starship for instance. But once the write-it-yourself generation of hit-makers went under - they are all in their 60s now - this current state of affairs took hold. Don't deny it.
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Posted By: thellama73
Date Posted: May 07 2010 at 22:46
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I don't deny it. But I also don't deny the possibility that a young lady who claims to write her own songs and talks at length about how she came up with the lyrics might be telling the truth. Like I said, you have a right to believe what you want, but don't go calling it "proof" when it absolutely is not. -------------
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Posted By: RoyFairbank
Date Posted: May 07 2010 at 22:51
it is proof, think rationally - learn to generalize. Without generalizations the world makes no sense. A scorpion would be mysterious every time and you wouldn't know to prevent yourself being stung. btw, if you didn't notice, I replaced the album by spears I had for a moment with an earlier one when she had more "street" cred -when she was popular in 2003- and they gave almost all the writing credits and even a production credit. notice one guy is named Roy "Royalty" Hamilton  classic! |
Posted By: thellama73
Date Posted: May 07 2010 at 22:54
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Allow me to recap your argument in the form of a syllogism. Premise A: Many of Lady Gaga's songs give co-writing credit to professional songwriters. Premise B: Many of these songwriters have written songs for Britney Spears and other pop stars. Conclusion: Lady Gaga has never written a note of original music. Plato you ain't, sir. -------------
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Posted By: Synchestra
Date Posted: May 07 2010 at 22:55
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I love this thread. Its (mostly) intelliegent discussion on a name in pop who has become a meme in her own right.
That said, I hate her. Its her image. I usually try not to judge music based on image (which is the point of alot of Disney pop and such, of which Gaga is not a part of) but I think she tries to hard to come off as strange and abnormal. I respect the fact that she does have talent (though I'll admit I was suprised to find that out  ) and I admire how much passion she stirs up among music fans... But she tries so hard to be the character shes created. Its fairly hollow and will get old quickly (unless she tries to be Madonna, and change her image every album... Actually I would be impressed if she was successful at that)------------- 'Yeah, thats.. Whatever you're talking about for ya' - Zapp brannigan |
Posted By: RoyFairbank
Date Posted: May 07 2010 at 22:59
Aristotle invented the syllogism I told you about the strengths of induction join the dark side llama  |
Posted By: thellama73
Date Posted: May 07 2010 at 23:02
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I'll never join you!
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Posted By: RoyFairbank
Date Posted: May 07 2010 at 23:02
seriously, though my friend, obviously she may have gone over the lyrics with someone... I learned recently of this charming case where T.E. Lawrence wrote a rough poem to express his love and sent it to the all-time famous poet Robert Graves to make it into a real poem. On a much pettier scale - that could happen with Lady GuyGuy |
Posted By: thellama73
Date Posted: May 07 2010 at 23:10
I was really hoping you would take the bait and this would turn into a Star Wars quote thread. 
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Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: May 07 2010 at 23:13
Gaga? GAH! 
This is WAAAAAY cooler, kiddiwinks. V
Would you prefer the original studio version:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeZfk5NJew4&feature=related - ninahagenafricanreggae
or live?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7fFb6GKbxY - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7fFb6GKbxY ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: RoyFairbank
Date Posted: May 07 2010 at 23:19
wrong you were |
Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: May 07 2010 at 23:21
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSTU4Cnb4BY&feature=related - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSTU4Cnb4BY&feature=related
Mwa ha ha haaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
goodnight. ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: thellama73
Date Posted: May 07 2010 at 23:26
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Also, it might interest you to know that she was hired by her record label as a songwriter before she became a solo artist. http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/features/Lady-GaGa-Totally-GaGa.4891798.jp - http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/features/Lady-GaGa-Totally-GaGa.4891798.jp -------------
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Posted By: RoyFairbank
Date Posted: May 07 2010 at 23:41
I'll concede that she has a carefully-cultivated reputation as being a sort of songwriter and can probably play a decent piano but that the nature of the beast is that her pop career is a well-oiled machine and certainly none of the profit-interested people involved want to leave it to her, no matter how good her writing is. In any case the involvement of the song-writing cabal suggests that on her own Gaga could not reach any where near the same levels that she did with her grade A assistance. In any case, everyone involved is aiming towards the same dubious goal: create a hit pop album. There is no artistical strain involved here - it is a matter of technique. sorry, I've nodded off twice writing this. I need to hit the sack. It's not complete.... |
Posted By: Stonebolt
Date Posted: May 07 2010 at 23:45
It's just a stage persona. Do yu like KISS? Do their costumes ruin it for you? |
Posted By: A Person
Date Posted: May 07 2010 at 23:51
To be honest, a bit. Not much to ruin, but that is my opinion. |
Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: May 07 2010 at 23:54
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I don't really understand - whether it's Fish or KISS, whoever - how and why costumes come to play any role in appreciating music anyway. Um, music is meant to be listened to, right? Don't like the outfits? Just look away and listen, shouldn't be hard. How does it concern anyone if the costumes help the artist get more fans than he/she deserves for the music? |
Posted By: WalterDigsTunes
Date Posted: May 08 2010 at 00:16
Bravo! Say "NO!" to new music and "YES!" to pre-1989 heroes! |
Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: May 08 2010 at 00:33
 Now dig this, Walter: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CST7XOxw4Dk&feature=related - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CST7XOxw4Dk&feature=related
Dunno -- just thought of crazy, uber-talented former East-German opera fraulein Nina H, tonight. Ever hear her band Spliff (sans Nina)? Cool stuff! ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: May 08 2010 at 01:01
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I have a friend who says GaGa is s modern David Bowie/Ziggy Stardust.... ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: Kestrel
Date Posted: May 08 2010 at 01:59
| I don't mind Gaga at all - I just find the actual synth music kind of boring. If that were amped up a bit I would probably listen to her quite frequently. |
Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: May 08 2010 at 05:09
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Just wanting to say that your whole demonstration is ridiculous RoyDude, and that your attitude is what makes all proggers look like childish elitist snobs (some are, but not all ).
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: May 08 2010 at 07:35
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Posted By: zappaholic
Date Posted: May 08 2010 at 07:44
Like I said upthread - SHE'S TROLLIN' ALL Y'ALL.
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Posted By: Marty McFly
Date Posted: May 08 2010 at 08:54
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Radio GaGa Radio GaGa Lady oh Gaga Lady oh Gaga Ahem ------------- There's a point where "avant-garde" and "experimental" becomes "terrible" and "pointless," -Andyman1125 on Lulu  Even my |
Posted By: RoyFairbank
Date Posted: May 08 2010 at 10:01
you really do have the worst avatar there's just something creepy and sad about it |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: May 08 2010 at 21:27
We may not understand it, but unfortunatly in the Pop world the "looks" of the arstists is more important than their talent. Who cares if they can't sing and there's about no music in the song, as long as they are Pretty, handsome, and Hot, so they can put their pictures in the CD cover and have them dance on the promotional video. |
Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: May 08 2010 at 21:34
I do know that people place more importance to looks in pop. But it's not just pop, whether it's metal or prog, you will find a lot of people a bit too concerned about how the artists look and dress up. It's especially ridiculous for a prog fan to be bothered about it because prog is not about image, whereas imagery, for better or worse, is a big deal in metal. |
Posted By: RoyFairbank
Date Posted: May 08 2010 at 21:41
The big point is that in Prog imagery reinforces a progressive presentation, in pop it reinforces a regressive presentation. You can repeat this quote endlessly onward  |
Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: May 08 2010 at 21:50
What pray is this crucial role that imagery plays in Red album, enlighten us. |
Posted By: RoyFairbank
Date Posted: May 08 2010 at 22:00
Wrong. There doesn't have to be imagery. I didn't say that. But when there is, it is to reinforce a progressive form of music. Obviously, a Pink Floyd concert is about the music, despite the complex imagery. Pop uses imagery entirely differently in relation to music. Semi-obvious edit: that is, in relation to music that has no substance to it. The lasers themselves have the same technology. |
Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: May 08 2010 at 22:04
These are just your perceptions and opinions, you know. There are prog fans who don't like Gabriel or Fish's costumes either and I think a few posters have made a good case above for why Lady Gaga's image is not so completely unrelated to the music as you suggest. Taking your arguments seriously requires assuming that everybody who listens to pop is empty in the top rack and that is quite a ridiculous assumption to say the least. |
Posted By: RoyFairbank
Date Posted: May 08 2010 at 22:14
Its not about the music. Its a about the surrounding problems, the social problems. Lady Gaga - it has nothing to do with her as an individual or even her music as such - she is part of an exploitative set up which takes advantage of the masses and shovels sub-par cultural substitutes down their throats very lucratively. She is in the pop music business and a part of all the profit making and garbage production, in fact one of its "faces." That's a problem. Prog was strangled by this machine, but even Prog isn't the solution. What is needed- a new culture on serious, humanitarian foundations. Pop isn't either. Time to tear the whole capitalist edifice down. A few generations from now all that is made today, even the music this site covers, will be seen as false and backward. At the moment however, we can choose between the product of a cultural upswing in the 1960s and 70s, or the product of a declining era. That's prog vs. pop to me.  |
Posted By: UndercoverBoy
Date Posted: May 08 2010 at 22:16
| All Rock music is Pop. Discuss. |
Posted By: himtroy
Date Posted: May 08 2010 at 23:52
Not even remotely true....discussion terminated.
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Posted By: RoyFairbank
Date Posted: May 08 2010 at 23:58
different stages of pop  but the difference is significant and obviously chronologically distinct As I said, the 60s/70s represented a cultural upswing in pop music, the 80s to today a dramatic downswing, just like economics, the rate of profit, and politics.  This gives you a pretty good idea of the strength of the American economy. After the 70s the US became a debtor nation. |
Posted By: Synchestra
Date Posted: May 09 2010 at 00:29
You win. I can't argue aginst numbers I don't understand ------------- 'Yeah, thats.. Whatever you're talking about for ya' - Zapp brannigan |
Posted By: Marty McFly
Date Posted: May 09 2010 at 03:47
Oh yeah said Mr. Big Tough Guy. You don't know it, but in on thread in Collaborators zone I said that I want my old avatar back, but am not able to find it. ------------- There's a point where "avant-garde" and "experimental" becomes "terrible" and "pointless," -Andyman1125 on Lulu Even my |
Posted By: Kestrel
Date Posted: May 09 2010 at 04:23
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I recall reading Peter Hammill saying that he considered VDGG pop, and they are one of the weirdest of the major 70s prog bands. I can't source this, however. |
Posted By: The Hemulen
Date Posted: May 09 2010 at 04:56
Cardiacs' Tim Smith always maintained they're a pop band. i think it very much depends how we define "pop". I watched a Lady Gaga video just now to try and put a sound to the image... The video was pretty nicely done. Strong visuals, a good dash of humour, top notch editing. The music, on the other hand, seemed to be a summary of every bland, indistinct trope of R&B-inspired pop which has been dominating the charts for a few years now. In short, a triumph of style over substance and as such, exemplary pop music. |
Posted By: boo boo
Date Posted: May 09 2010 at 05:56
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Not a fan of her music (great verses, weak choruses) but I do find her to be a very colorful personality and not just a dull android like all the other pop divas.
Also, is it wrong that I still want to shag her in spite of the rumors of her being a hermaphrodite? ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/kingboobs/?chartstyle=LastfmSuicjdeGirls" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Kojak
Date Posted: May 09 2010 at 06:41
Not wrong, no, but double the fun..... |
Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: May 09 2010 at 07:51
Argh, why do prog fans always have the most ridiculous opinions... ------------- if you own a sodastream i hate you |
Posted By: RoyFairbank
Date Posted: May 09 2010 at 15:49
Cuz |
Posted By: Marty McFly
Date Posted: May 09 2010 at 16:11
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Who was more favourite, Lady Gaga now or Britney Spears 10 years ago ? One more thing - Prog is solution if you want. Pop is solution if you want. Just take whatever will make you happy. But isn't it strange to discuss pure pop on PROG forum ? How is it connected ? What about Progressive Pop ? :-D ------------- There's a point where "avant-garde" and "experimental" becomes "terrible" and "pointless," -Andyman1125 on Lulu Even my |
Posted By: RoyFairbank
Date Posted: May 09 2010 at 16:24
Prog Pop and Prog Rock/Pop= Genesis after 1980, Asia, just to start Contrapositive (Pop/Rock of the prog-like variety): some lesser efforts of the Who, bands like Talk Talk in their hit days. That's very very good pop/rock with progressive sensibilities. It does exist. However, I did not start this thread. I started a thread on prog elitism or the prog gag reflex. Someone else started this thread in support of Gaga. Someone had to represent the opposing side. I'm a thankless hero. |
Posted By: boo boo
Date Posted: May 10 2010 at 09:56
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Any genre can be expanded upon so it's dumb to think pop can't be progressive as any genre can.
The late Beatles stuff for example is easily progressive pop music. I'd say David Bowie, Super Furry Animals, Talking Heads, Primal Scream and a lot of the more creative britpop groups (such as Starsailor and The Verve) make pop music that is also very progressive. Not "prog rock" mind you.
The dream pop movement is another good example.
Oh I know it's bullcrap, I was joking.
Not the "want to shag her" part, that much is serious.  ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/kingboobs/?chartstyle=LastfmSuicjdeGirls" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: yanch
Date Posted: May 11 2010 at 07:11
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I listened, i read about her, I watched a few videos. I can't stand her! Music industry construct, like Madonna, like Briteny Spears, etc. The Industry has a formula for cranking out these controversial, sexy, persona's that attract the masses. It doesn't bother me, I avoid it and listen to what I want to listen to. It's interesting how this thread has inflamed so much emotion.
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Posted By: boo boo
Date Posted: May 11 2010 at 07:22
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I don't think Gaga is popular because of her sex appeal, I find her attractive in a weird way but she doesn't fit the media's idea of a bombshell at all and there's plenty of divas who do, Katy Perry was way prettier but her 15 minutes of fame has already expired and now she's doing commercials for Acme treatment. Meanwhile Gaga is still going strong. So why would a less "pretty" singer be so popular? Surely there's something that makes her so appealing to people.
Madonna is a parody of herself at this point, but I still defend her 80s material as genuinely good pop music. As for Britney, at first it was because she was hot jailbait, now I just think people feel sorry for her. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/kingboobs/?chartstyle=LastfmSuicjdeGirls" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: May 11 2010 at 07:26
http://omg.yahoo.com/blogs/a-line/katy-perry-tops-magazines-hot-100-list/472/?nc - - Don't be so sure. ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: boo boo
Date Posted: May 11 2010 at 07:32
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Maxim owns Blender magazine who listed Peter Gabriel and Ian Anderson among the worst lyricists in rock music so that should tell you something about their credibility.
I certainly don't agree with her being at number 1, but I wouldn't turn her down either. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/kingboobs/?chartstyle=LastfmSuicjdeGirls" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: May 11 2010 at 07:36
Wasn't my point. My point was Perry isn't the washed up girl you said she was in terms of fame. As for me, I'm as heterosexual as they come, and I do not find most of the women they least even remotely appealing. ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: boo boo
Date Posted: May 11 2010 at 07:45
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Oh, I guess she still is pretty popular then, my mistake.
As for the Maxim list, as with any list I agree with some of it and disagree with other things. I'm not big on Kim Kardashian or Marisa Miller. Rihanna is pretty but overrated.
Megan Fox is gorgeous, if a bit overexposed and not to mention a pretty terrible actress.
But anyway, I'm quote fond of Zoe Saldana.  ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/kingboobs/?chartstyle=LastfmSuicjdeGirls" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: May 11 2010 at 07:56
I simply do not get what people see in Megan Fox.   ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: Rocktopus
Date Posted: May 11 2010 at 09:25
Nicely put. All of it. ------------- Over land and under ashes In the sunlight, see - it flashes Find a fly and eat his eye But don't believe in me Don't believe in me Don't believe in me |
Posted By: npjnpj
Date Posted: May 11 2010 at 10:47
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I've heard a few bars of her songs here and there and as this is music that just doesn't appeal to me, I say: Why bother? It might be catchy, ok she writes her own material, but ultimately there's been so much of that sort of stuff around for years that I'm just not interested. Ultimately it's just the stuff caught in contemporary musical restrictions. Just another singer being set up as the next Madonna. Who cares? It's naff. |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: May 11 2010 at 10:57
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5 Pages about Lady Ga Ga in Prog Archives and stil people says we're elitist.
I started a thread about lesser known PROG bands and it lasted 2 or 3 pages.
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Posted By: npjnpj
Date Posted: May 11 2010 at 11:13
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Probably because a road accident is more interesting than a motor show.
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: May 11 2010 at 11:15
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Lady GaGa uses synthesizers. ... Lady GaGa for Neo-Prog? ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: May 11 2010 at 12:04
The prog metal team has rejected her so crossover is our only hope.... ------------- 
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: May 11 2010 at 12:04
When only two people in the entire planet have heard about those bands that's what happens... -------------
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: May 11 2010 at 12:06
In the terrible Transformers she was still kind of hot. Then the atrocious sequel arrived and this girl was a big mountain of botox, especially in her now-disgusting lips. I don't know why some women think having lips the size of a frog is attractive in any way. Now she looks vulgar... -------------
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Posted By: Garion81
Date Posted: May 11 2010 at 12:13
Collagen, T, not Botox. Botox is a toxin that freezes nerves usually used on the forehead above the bridge of the nose. Once treated people cannot move the muscles in their forehead hence no wrinkles. Collagen is a filler that is used in cosmetic surgery. ------------- 
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: May 11 2010 at 12:27
Collagen then it is. Anyway, I don't understand why they think it makes them look better (the same with botox... those cardboard-looking faces can't be any less atractive) -------------
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Posted By: boo boo
Date Posted: May 11 2010 at 13:17
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Thank ya Garion, I'm tired of everyone not knowing what botox is. The purpose of botox is removing wrinkles, used tastefully and moderately it's not that bad looking at all, but there is absolutely no reason for a girl as young as Fox to use such a thing.
I agree that the collagen trend is a confounding one, yeah I like big lucious lips, but only when they're real. It's a shame when girls like Fox feel insecure enough to want to alter their appearance even when they're already considered bombshells, in Transformers and Jennifer's Body she looked great.
Personally I thought the first Transformers was ok, or at least the closest thing to half decency Michael Bay will ever get. Havent seen the sequel but I am aware of the jive talking minstrel robots. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/kingboobs/?chartstyle=LastfmSuicjdeGirls" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Kojak
Date Posted: May 11 2010 at 13:28
| Megan Fox has no character in her face, esp. with all the surgery...Lady Gaga, at least, has character. And more substance than most pop 'artists' (think Cheryl Cole, etc). She reminds a bit of, looking back, David Bowie, when he was doing all his character changes in the 70's, all those costumes and personas and what have you, but her music is not nearly as interesting, it's just pop, but then Bowie was probably considered pop in his time...I was impressed with her piano playing on Jonathan Ross a coupla months back, so I do now believe she could write her own stuff, if she can at least play it..... |
Posted By: boo boo
Date Posted: May 11 2010 at 13:31
I kinda agree, Fox is technically gorgeous (or she was before the surgery at least) but she doesn't have a whole lot of personality. And I tend to be more into chicks who are a bit less generic and more unique looking, and Gaga certainly has that going for her. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/kingboobs/?chartstyle=LastfmSuicjdeGirls" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Manuelmoreno
Date Posted: May 11 2010 at 15:22
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Well, my girlfriend likes Lady Gaga so I have to listen to her music... much more that I would like. Anyway, I've always thought that it is possible to make a nice rock-cover of Bad Romance. Really, no joke, it can be a really powerful song with heavy guitar riffs. |
Posted By: Garion81
Date Posted: May 11 2010 at 17:35
Not a problem. Part of my court ordered public service. Actually my Fiancée works for Allergen the makers of Botox. She is a promotional material reviewer Manager. Her job is take sure all advertising is compliant with FDA regulations. -------------
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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: May 13 2010 at 07:37
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Awesome!  |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: May 13 2010 at 08:01
A Cappella? Glee? Gaga's one thing, but Glee... 
For crying out loud.
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Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: May 13 2010 at 09:11
Her album speaks for itself
 She is a self-confessed fame monster. Gorgeous, a body to die for, a personality like a cracked whip, attitude as far as you can shove into a black hole, and R&B rhythms that casue pple to girate like vibrating jackhammers. The perfect package! I saw her on American Idol - great role model for the young audience with her sexualised suggestive stage act, scantily clad women and spiteflu lyrics - thanks Gaga for adding to more confusion of GenY who swallow all your lies and deceptions. And everyone is buying into this crap despite the fact you are a MANUFACTURED PLASTIC FANTASY.
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: May 13 2010 at 10:39
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Sh!t:
- Lady Gaga
- Botox
- Collagen
- A pseudo Glee
- Megan Fox
- American Idol
Hey...Is this still Prog Archives?
Iván -------------
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Posted By: Negoba
Date Posted: May 13 2010 at 11:19
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Lady Gaga is an entertainment package. Calculated, well funded, and it works. It (referring to package rather than the actress who is only the lead role in this production) is clearly an update of Madonna's role 25 years later, but it's harder to shock now. So she's gone for simply pseudo-avant, wierd, and it is indeed superficially entertaining. There have always been packaged acts like this and probably will be forever.
Is the act anything other than a variation on an old flavor of candy? No, but not much is really.
So get off my lawn while I listen to Powerslave. ------------- You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all. |