Lady Gaga

I don't care one way or another -- I don't like dance music.

gottagetintogetout wrote: Someone dying their hair for a character kills the music for you?  You have a very strange view on musical quality.

Because only Fish and Gabriel get to dress up.  If anybody else does it, it's disgusting.

thellama73 wrote: ^^Yes, I saw it the first two times you posted it. Co-writing credits don't prove anything. By your logic, she could have written everything and those guys could have been given partial credit for some minor production details they added.

They are professional songwriters who work with people like Brittany Spears. Look at the links. They weren't just sipping tea while Gaga twirled hits out of her fingers


btw. my references to her hair dying are because I like blondes and was making joke.

Au Contraire if I could speak french

Where is the evidence that she wrote any of it? They aren't just production specialists as you claim. They are primarily song-writers, in fact, some of the best in the world. It is fashionable however to give stupid credits so the "artist" can save face. Come on you know this. When they write hits for Spears and her ilk, Destiny's child, etc. that is their job... they don't downgrade their job for one artist.

Further - alice cooper and Paul McCartney could obviously write and were playing in a time when they were expected to be able to do so. In the 80s people started using professional writers (though some genres had been doing so already and very much so in the 1960s). Even good bands with some experience in writing. Jefferson Starship for instance. But once the write-it-yourself generation of hit-makers went under - they are all in their 60s now - this current state of affairs took hold. Don't deny it.

1. "Me Against the Music" (featuring Madonna) Spears, Madonna, Christopher Stewart, Nikhereanye, Penelope Magnet, The-Dream, O'Brien Christopher "Tricky" Stewart & Penelope Magnet 3:44 2. "(I Got That) Boom Boom" (featuring Ying Yang Twins) Roy "Royalty" Hamilton, Royal, Holmes, Jackson Roy "Royalty" Hamilton 4:51 3. "Showdown" Spears, Cathy Dennis, Bloodshy & Avant, Jonback Bloodshy & Avant 3:17 4. "Breathe on Me" Lee, Anderson, Greene Mark "Metro" Taylor 3:43 5. "Early Mornin'" Spears, Moby, Christopher Stewart, Magnet Moby 3:45 6. "Toxic" Cathy Dennis, Bloodshy & Avant, Jonback Bloodshy & Avant 3:21 7. "Outrageous" R. Kelly R. Kelly 3:21 8. "Touch of My Hand" Spears, Harry, B. Muhammad, Soloman Jimmy Harry & Shep Soloman 4:19 9. "The Hook Up" Spears, Christopher Stewart, Nikhereanye, Magnet Christopher "Tricky" Stewart & Penelope Magnet 3:54 10. "Shadow" Spears, Lauren Christy, Scott Spock, Graham Edwards, Charlie Midnight The Matrix 3:45 11. "Brave New Girl" Spears, Brian Kierulf, Josh Schwartz, Kara DioGuardi Kierulf & Schwartz 3:30 12. "Everytime" Spears, Annette Artani Guy Sigsworth & Britney Spears 3:53

They even give writing credits to Spears


Edited by RoyFairbank - May 07 2010 at 22:49

thellama73 wrote: I don't deny it. But I also don't deny the possibility that a young lady who claims to write her own songs and talks at length about how she came up with the lyrics might be telling the truth. Like I said, you have a right to believe what you want, but don't go calling it "proof" when it absolutely is not.

it is proof, think rationally - learn to generalize.

Without generalizations the world makes no sense. A scorpion would be mysterious every time and you wouldn't know to prevent yourself being stung.

btw, if you didn't notice, I replaced the album by spears I had for a moment with an earlier one when she had more "street" cred -when she was popular in 2003- and they gave almost all the writing credits and even a production credit.

notice one guy is named Roy "Royalty" Hamilton classic!


Edited by RoyFairbank - May 07 2010 at 22:57

I love this thread. Its (mostly) intelliegent discussion on a name in pop who has become a meme in her own right.

I'll never join you!

I was really hoping you would take the bait and this would turn into a Star Wars quote thread. 

thellama73 wrote: I was really hoping you would take the bait and this would turn into a Star Wars quote thread.

wrong you were

Also, it might interest you to know that she was hired by her record label as a songwriter before she became a solo artist.
http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/features/Lady-GaGa-Totally-GaGa.4891798.jp