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Points: 4625 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 29 2010 at 00:31
Originally posted by jammun jammun wrote:

I am glad the misunderstanding turned out ok.  My brother is a cop.  One hazard of the job is that they don't know in any particular situation who/what they are dealing with, so tend to err on the side of caution if they want to go home to their families in the evening.  Some may consider their actions excessive, but imagine if you had a job where you had daily contact with the general public, and you never knew if they were friend or foe.  It does cause a bit of paranoia.
Paranoia is still an irrational emotion, despite its reasons. If they are really worried that much, they should just quit. At the end of the day, I couldn't look at myself in the mirror if my code of conduct jeopardized numerous innocents just to potentially save my hide.
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Points: 8815 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 29 2010 at 00:57
Slart - I am glad to hear that you are okay and that you recovered your truck fine. Having a gun pointed at you must have been frightening!

However, had that happened to me, I would find myself laughing about it in no time. Six cop cars had to pull me over just to find out that I was driving my own truck! I would laugh as I told the story to my friends. I'm just one guy! What did they think I would do?

At the very least, you gained an entertaining story from this. 
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Points: 14258 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 29 2010 at 01:26
Interesting thread. i never have this sort of trouble. i was pulled up for speeding a few years back. No guns involved though........ Must be an american thing.LOL
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Originally posted by Deathrabbit Deathrabbit wrote:

Originally posted by jammun jammun wrote:

I am glad the misunderstanding turned out ok.  My brother is a cop.  One hazard of the job is that they don't know in any particular situation who/what they are dealing with, so tend to err on the side of caution if they want to go home to their families in the evening.  Some may consider their actions excessive, but imagine if you had a job where you had daily contact with the general public, and you never knew if they were friend or foe.  It does cause a bit of paranoia.
Paranoia is still an irrational emotion, despite its reasons. If they are really worried that much, they should just quit. At the end of the day, I couldn't look at myself in the mirror if my code of conduct jeopardized numerous innocents just to potentially save my hide.

Safety is number one issue no matter what job you do.  If you think you can do it better go do it. I really am in awe of these guys restraint for the most part in dealing with things you and I never have to deal with or see. They truly see and deal with the worst of humanity and  they do it because the large majority of them believe what they do is important and serves the greater good. I  know there are not so nice people doing the job but you  know what name me one job that doesn't have that element?  People also make mistakes are they any different?  In the end criminals kill way more innocent people than cops do in fact it is a no brainer to think ratio difference would be wide. We are talking about very few incidences.  There is no way to eliminate all of them just like there is no way you can eliminate crime.  I would rather take my chances with a cop than a criminal. 

If you have nothing to hide then let them do their job and you will be okay just like Slarty did.  


Edited by Garion81 - April 29 2010 at 01:27


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Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

I just had to share this.

A couple of weeks ago I thought my truck had been stolen and reported it.  Turned out it had been towed off.  I recovered it reported back to the police department that it was a mistake but got voice mail. 

So I'm running an errand on my lunch break today and all of a sudden I got pulled over and there were about six police cars and a motorcycle had descended on me.  One car cut me off.  An officer got out and pointed a gun at me yelling at me to put my hands up and turn off the truck.  I was handcuffed and told get face down on the pavement in the middle of the road.  When they checked my license and found that I was the registered owner, they let me go.

File that under too much excitement for one day.

In the end, I'm glad they were looking out for me and didn't hurt me.  Yikes!!!

And we in Czech Republic are ridiculing our cops that they are too afraid to do anything. Yikes indeed, this is quite terrible if such things can happen. I heard that USA police can be tough ' n ' rough, but this is too much. Maybe effective, but brutal.

By truck you mean something like that:

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Points: 638 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 29 2010 at 02:03
^ Haha! First truck would be a sweet ride! VROOOOOOOM!!!
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Originally posted by Garion81 Garion81 wrote:

Originally posted by Deathrabbit Deathrabbit wrote:

Originally posted by jammun jammun wrote:

I am glad the misunderstanding turned out ok.  My brother is a cop.  One hazard of the job is that they don't know in any particular situation who/what they are dealing with, so tend to err on the side of caution if they want to go home to their families in the evening.  Some may consider their actions excessive, but imagine if you had a job where you had daily contact with the general public, and you never knew if they were friend or foe.  It does cause a bit of paranoia.
Paranoia is still an irrational emotion, despite its reasons. If they are really worried that much, they should just quit. At the end of the day, I couldn't look at myself in the mirror if my code of conduct jeopardized numerous innocents just to potentially save my hide.

Safety is number one issue no matter what job you do.  If you think you can do it better go do it. I really am in awe of these guys restraint for the most part in dealing with things you and I never have to deal with or see. They truly see and deal with the worst of humanity and  they do it because the large majority of them believe what they do is important and serves the greater good. I  know there are not so nice people doing the job but you  know what name me one job that doesn't have that element?  People also make mistakes are they any different?  In the end criminals kill way more innocent people than cops do in fact it is a no brainer to think ratio difference would be wide. We are talking about very few incidences.  There is no way to eliminate all of them just like there is no way you can eliminate crime.  I would rather take my chances with a cop than a criminal. 

If you have nothing to hide then let them do their job and you will be okay just like Slarty did.  
 
 
If two cops say you did something (even though you didn't ), this is prima facie evidence for a case.  
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the great think about the USA is indeed the fact that the cops don't take any sh1t. Sorry that Slarti got a bit of a scare but apart from those awful racially motivated incidents, which are isolated cases, these guys put their ' you know whats' on the block daily to manage millions of nutters out there ( and that applies to worldwide too)
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Points: 22989 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 29 2010 at 07:02
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

I usually distrust of police officer's discretionary abilities...


Yes I agree with you, I also have a strong issue with excessive authority, but let's not forget we're talking about a country where any regular guy can carry a weapon Confused
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Points: 17304 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 29 2010 at 07:19
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Exactly Alex, if we defang the cops, we can enjoy the excessive authority of the street gangs, like in Mexican border towns where the armed drug gangs rule the citizens and police.  Thousands have been murdered.  The cops are often outmatched in firepower.

I'll take our cops and their occasional incidents.  There is no utopia. 
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Points: 22989 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 29 2010 at 07:22
^ Actually I think banning weapons completely would be the obvious solution. It works, you know. 
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It doesn't work, unfortunately.  At least here.  Whenever you have weapons bans, only the law abiding citizens are kept from weapons.  The criminals still find their weapons on the black market.  What you would end up with in the USA is an armed criminal population, and defenseless regular population. 

Perhaps in Europe where the culture is different and the weapons are not widespread already, it works nicely.  It wouldn't work here unless and until they could stop the black market and get these existing weapons off the street.

Even if you were to shut down manufacturers worldwide, I suspect the criminals in the US would find a way to manufacture their ownLOL. 
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When the government tells you you can't own a gun, that's the time to be damn sure you have one.
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I agree it would take longer because the weapons are already there, and I don't think that addressing the market would be the solution, but addressing the "customers". I think that people would, in the end, get used to the idea by knowing that one would have to serve a few years in jail if caught with a gun. Anyway, it's the only solution to get out of this vicious circle. And it only seems that it doesn't work because no one wants to relate to the experience of other countries. 
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Points: 32553 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 29 2010 at 08:10
It doesn't work because it isn't practical.

A few years in jail for being caught with a gun?  Lordie, we'd have to build a few hundred more prisons then. LOL

Let me put it this way: If a man with a gun and an evil intent enters my home, I don't want to have to protect my family with a kitchen knife, okay?
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^ That attitude is the exact reason which doesn't allow you to exist this situation. It's called a vicious circle. People have guns and may sometime threaten me... I'll get a gun too, that will solve the problem. LOL

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Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

^ That attitude is the exact reason which doesn't allow you to exist this situation. It's called a vicious circle. People have guns and may sometime threaten me... I'll get a gun too, to solve the problem. LOL


And I see absolutely nothing wrong with that.  I think more people should have guns.

Imagine how far these murderers would get in a school shooting if at least the faculty were packing heat and trained in the use of firearms.  Instead of just blocking the door so his students could escape the massacre of Seung-Hui Cho, Professor and hero Liviu Librescu might have saved himself as well as his class.

In fact, I would wager that there wouldn't have been a massacre in the first place.  How often do people go in and shoot up a police station like they do schools?


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^ It's obvious that police men are the most affected by the general use of guns in the States, that was the (agreed) starting point of my discussion with Jim.

Anyway, it's clear that you've made up your mind and you're not really interested in different views... The more guns, the merrier Tongue... I'll rest my case and let the discussion get back to its initial course. Smile
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Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

^ It's obvious that police men are the most affected by the general use of guns in the States, that was the (agreed) starting point of my discussion with Jim.

Anyway, it's clear that you've made up your mind and you're not really interested in different views... The more guns, the merrier Tongue... I'll rest my case and let the discussion get back to its initial course. Smile


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