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The Doctor 
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: June 23 2005 Location: The Tardis Status: Offline Points: 8543 |
 Posted: April 25 2010 at 15:24 |
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I thought Genesis did it best on their s/t album (yep. all on one album). Side 1...some of the best music 3-man Genesis ever did. Side 2...WTF?
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I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you?
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matansaldi
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Joined: August 10 2007 Location: Brazil Status: Offline Points: 5 |
Posted: April 25 2010 at 20:39 |
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It's not from the prog department, but still another example of how to fall from heaven to hell.
Iron Maiden's Seventh Son of a Seventh Son, and then No Prayer For the Dying. |
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It's getting better all the time?
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VanVanVan
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Joined: October 08 2009 Status: Offline Points: 756 |
Posted: April 25 2010 at 20:54 |
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Dream Theater going from Falling into Infinity to Scenes from a Memory.
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"The meaning of life is to give life meaning."-Arjen Lucassen
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Bitterblogger
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Joined: November 04 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1719 |
Posted: April 26 2010 at 14:08 |
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GENESIS: Wind and Wuthering>. . .And Then There Were Three
KING CRIMSON: ITCOTCK>In The Wake Of Poseidon
RICK WAKEMAN: Myths & Legends. . .>No Earthly Connection
STARCASTLE: Fountains Of Light>Citadel
ASIA: s/t>Alpha
And ELP of course deserves 3: Works V. 1>Works V.2>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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boo boo
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Joined: June 28 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 905 |
Posted: April 27 2010 at 05:50 |
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Personally I don't get why people hate In the Wake of Poseidon so much, I think it's a very tight album and actually a great companion piece to ITCOTKC, I don't understand how people like one but not the other.
Anywho.
90125 > Big Generator.
90125 is a fantastic pop record, I don't care what anyone says. So what if it's a "sell out" record, so is Lou Reed's Transformer but that record was better musically than anything he did before. As was Nirvana's Nevermind a better album than Bleach.
Sorry for bringing non-prog examples into this, but anyway. 90125 was pop but it was very inventive pop, Big Generator wasn't, and that was a truly terrible record, except for Final Eyes, that was a pretty good song.
Heh, I quite enjoy Let's Dance actually.
I guess I'm more keen to 80s pop than others here. Edited by boo boo - April 27 2010 at 05:57 |
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pr@halfpastfour
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Posted: April 27 2010 at 05:57 |
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Don't be sorry for non-prog examples, cause the issue is true for all kinds of music I think, and we meet a lot of examples. |
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www.halfpastfour.com
http://www.paperplanemusic.ca/ |
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boo boo
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Joined: June 28 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 905 |
Posted: April 27 2010 at 07:03 |
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With that being said.
Led Zeppelin: Presence > In Through the Out Door
But I don't think anything can beat.
Lou Reed: Berlin > Sally Can't Dance > Metal Machine Music.
Holy mother of god what a trainwreck. Edited by boo boo - April 27 2010 at 07:07 |
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shockedjazz
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Joined: March 12 2008 Location: Madrid (spain) Status: Offline Points: 169 |
Posted: April 27 2010 at 08:36 |
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90125 great pop !? . I cant agree the beatles are great pop, pop of the 80 is the greatest expresion of dullness. "Owner of a lonely heart" makes me mad make me wanna throw all my yes discs by the window. The band was so great in the 70! it have something very sad seeing those angelical psychedelic gods transforming into very nasty cliches...something about the hippies turning into yuppies IMO. And Lets dance is horrid in comparision with aladin sane, ziggy stardust, the man who sold the world and of course to scary monsters. |
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tamijo
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Joined: January 06 2009 Location: Denmark Status: Offline Points: 4287 |
Posted: April 27 2010 at 08:59 |
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"Lets Dance", is ok for a POP recording, but i consider Scary Monsters to be one of the Masterpieces
of Late 70's Rock
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Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours
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boo boo
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Posted: April 27 2010 at 10:04 |
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First off writing off all 80s pop doesn't fly with me, pop music is just as legitimate of a genre as any genre including prog. And I personally think pop music was better in the 80s than progressive rock was in the 80s, then again most neo prog bores me.
I'd take Thriller over Script for a Jester's Tear any day of the week.
MOST albums are horrid compared to those.
But I'm not comparing that album to those anyway, it's a different album in a different style made in a different era, why would I compare it to Ziggy Stardust or Alladin Sane?
Except for the fact that Let's Dance isn't any more pop music for the 80s than Ziggy was pop music for the 70s.
I wish proggies wouldn't be so blatantly anti-pop all the time, when all kinds of prog bands have blatant pop influences even in their "prog" material. Don't tell me Gentle Giant weren't poppy.
A lot of my favorite pop is from the 80s in particular. MJ, Prince, Talking Heads, The Police, a lot of New Wave stuff. I even like some Madonna, I won't lie.
There was some terrible pop from the 80s as with any decade (including the 60s and 70s) and as with any genre, but if you guys think Yes and Genesis were the worst of pop music in the 80s I dunno what to say, other than you need to re-jog your memory because what they did was really creative compared to some of the most generic stuff.
Jefferson Starship anyone? Edited by boo boo - April 27 2010 at 10:09 |
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Vibrationbaby
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Posted: April 27 2010 at 10:15 |
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I don't know what you guys are talking about. Every single prog album is a masterpiece.
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AtomicCrimsonRush
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: July 02 2008 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 14258 |
Posted: April 27 2010 at 10:47 |
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hmmm..... so interesting thoughts here - but every single album is not a masterpiece take these..................... please! i reviewed them 1 star cos they were the pits
 EMERSON LAKE & PALMER In the Hot Seat | review EMERSON LAKE & PALMER Love Beach | review EMERSON LAKE & PALMER Works Vol. 2 | review HAWKWIND Masters of the Universe | review METALLICA St. Anger | review MIKE OLDFIELD The Millenium Bell | review PINK FLOYD A Collection Of Great Dance Songs | review PINK FLOYD The Final Cut | review TERA MELOS Idioms, Vol. 1 | review VANGELIS Mythodea | review RICK WAKEMAN Frost In Space | review |
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richardh
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Joined: February 18 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 29166 |
Posted: April 27 2010 at 10:49 |
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IQ's The Wake released in 1985 had a dark impressive beauty. Totally uncomprmising prog that almost had a punk feel to it.Best neo prog album of that era IMO.
I had so much anticipation for the next album and dear ole dear what a horrible let down. Nomzamo (1987) not only had a different singer but the dark edgy prog was now replaced by AOR glossy overload like some third rate version of Asia. There was even a love duet.
 My opinion of IQ took such a dive that it was only about 10 years after that I discovered that Peter Nicholls had returned (some 5 years earlier) and they were back to making the kind of music I loved (Subterannea)
Nomzamo doesn't seem so bad now and has its moments although it still easily rates at the bottom of their album releases.
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shockedjazz
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Joined: March 12 2008 Location: Madrid (spain) Status: Offline Points: 169 |
Posted: April 27 2010 at 10:51 |
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Evrything could be creative compared to 80 pop, including rap, or coca-cola. Maybe thats the reason why i canot stand a lot Genesis material. Just the first ones, there were original compard to ¿what? to psychedelia not to mere synth pop. Everything else is decaing into mere comercialism, wich cold my heart with cliches (Material girl ¿What? And yes, there is influences on pop and prog if you consider pop the beatles or the byrds. And, yes i have a strong antipop taste and cant stand nor of these people you said: And Gentle giant is not poppie if by poppie you mean Madonna, maybe poppie as Caravan
  But anyway if there is a justification of considering Gentle giant poppie. One thing i know is a dont consider "Knots" poppie. Cant imagine how could the put that in a discotheque.
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shockedjazz
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Posted: April 27 2010 at 10:55 |
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Well i can stand Talking Heads
 . I love "Remain in light". And the live versions are wonderfull.
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shockedjazz
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Posted: April 27 2010 at 11:01 |
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"Fragile" less than "close to edge", good but dissapointing IMO
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boo boo
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Posted: April 27 2010 at 12:07 |
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Actually there exists a lot of very creative hip hop music, you just gotta know where to look.
Some hip hop artists like Madlib are even progressive rock fans.
Yes and other prog groups were very very influenced by The Beatles, The Beach Boys, The Byrds, Simon & Garfunkel, Beat music like The Hollies and The Zombies, Tin Pan Alley and even Motown. Shucks, Pop music is actually quite important in the development of progressive rock, Moody Blues and Genesis started out as straight up pop bands.
Of course pop music is an incredibly broad musical definition. As pop has been used to describe everything from The Beach Boys to The Jesus and Mary Chain, I wouldn't just casually write off everything that's "pop". Jazz was birthed from ragtime and dixieland, which was very much considered "pop" music.
Even classical music composers like Mozart and Beethoven, some may consider them the original "pop" musicians.
So unless you hate all of that stuff, you can't be truly "antipop", almost everything has some pop in it.
No I'm totally serious. In the 80s I think she was a very strong and consistant singles artist and I'd certainly take The Immaculate Collection over most of today's pop music.
Why not? I'm not saying it's not prog, but there's a lot of pop tucked in there.
The Shulmans started out as straight up pop musicians and they once released a record so poppy that it was thought to have been recorded by The Beatles under a different name. What they did with Gentle Giant was a more sophisticated kind of pop music, combining pop sensibilities with classical ones. Progressive pop. Edited by boo boo - April 27 2010 at 12:08 |
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KingCrimson250
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Posted: April 27 2010 at 13:55 |
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I dunno, maybe it's because I grew up in the 90s, but to me there is nothing that sounds worse than 80s pop. Even today on the radio when I hear some hip hop guy sample a pop song from the 80s I'm struck with how awful it is. The drum machines, the cheesy synthesizers, the over-polished vocals... It's like everything about it has been engineered to sound bad.
I hear people say a lot that Invisible Touch may not be a prog album but it is a terrific pop album. I think that IT is one of the worst pop albums I've ever heard. The unrelenting cheese is just too much for me. Maybe it's a generational thing? |
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Henry Plainview
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Joined: May 26 2008 Location: Declined Status: Offline Points: 16715 |
Posted: April 27 2010 at 14:08 |
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Sorry, but you 5 starred Piper at the Gates of Dawn and 4 starred Led Zeppelin II, so I think you don't really have anti-pop taste. ;-)
I agree that Gentle Giant are sort of vocal prog pop. You may not hear Knots at a club, but it's just as repetitive as most of the music they would play there.
I like Metal Machine Music. Not enough to buy the album he recorded with John Zorn, but I'll probably download the Metal Machine Trio sets he has on his website.
I have to agree with KC, with the exception of the song Take on Me (and I'm not sure whether I like that ironically or seriously) the synths and electro drums of the '80s are inherently bad for me. They're just some of the worst ideas anybody's ever had in the music business. I think it's a generational thing. Edited by Henry Plainview - April 27 2010 at 14:13 |
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if you own a sodastream i hate you
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Rasvamakkara
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Joined: January 01 2009 Location: Finland Status: Offline Points: 127 |
Posted: April 27 2010 at 14:39 |
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Evergrey: The Inner Circle -> Monday Morning Apocalypse.
The Inner Circle isn't even their best album, but it's still far superior to Monday Morning Apocalypse. Unfortunately Torn is even worse. It's pretty sad how the band that released the excellent In Search of Truth has gone down in flames so fast. Edited by Rasvamakkara - April 27 2010 at 14:39 |
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