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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 22 2010 at 19:20
Originally posted by jammun jammun wrote:

Well here's my screed.

It's a given that LTIA is probably the best album ever made.  Don't argue with me. Wrong Tongue  Second is probably Galactic Zoo Dossier.  Don't argue with me.  Wrong Tongue


By the way, I am not arguing with you...


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 22 2010 at 19:32
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Originally posted by jammun jammun wrote:

Well here's my screed.

It's a given that LTIA is probably the best album ever made.  Don't argue with me. Wrong Tongue  Second is probably Galactic Zoo Dossier.  Don't argue with me.  Wrong Tongue


By the way, I am not arguing with you...
Don't argue with me Wink  I'm just stating the facts.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 22 2010 at 19:34
Originally posted by jammun jammun wrote:

Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Originally posted by jammun jammun wrote:

Well here's my screed.

It's a given that LTIA is probably the best album ever made.  Don't argue with me. Wrong Tongue  Second is probably Galactic Zoo Dossier.  Don't argue with me.  Wrong Tongue


By the way, I am not arguing with you...
Don't argue with me Wink  I'm just stating the facts.

I'm merely contradicting you. Big smile


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 22 2010 at 19:44
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Originally posted by jammun jammun wrote:

Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Originally posted by jammun jammun wrote:

Well here's my screed.

It's a given that LTIA is probably the best album ever made.  Don't argue with me. Wrong Tongue  Second is probably Galactic Zoo Dossier.  Don't argue with me.  Wrong Tongue


By the way, I am not arguing with you...
Don't argue with me Wink  I'm just stating the facts.

I'm merely contradicting you. Big smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 22 2010 at 19:55
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 22 2010 at 19:57
Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

Sometimes people's taste change in music, but they may be long time visitors to this forum so they still come here to discuss music because there is very clearly a section marked for non-prog music and for non-musical topics so obviously the only function of the forum is not to discuss prog.

Some people may be irritated by the attitude many on the forum have pertaining to prog music so animosities may arise that make the person seem anti-prog when really they're just trying to express that non-progressive music is not to be seen as inferior. 

Plus it's fun to bash prog because the average prog fan is so uptight and desperately tries to validate his opinions by adding some objective metric to music that doesn't exist. I mean this is the easiest site in the world to troll because the concepts of hyperbole and sarcasm seem very foreign to many who post here. 



This is quite true.
ESPECIALLY the very last sentence.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 22 2010 at 20:01
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 22 2010 at 20:20
Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:


Plus it's fun to bash prog because the average prog fan is so uptight and desperately tries to validate his opinions by adding some objective metric to music that doesn't exist. I mean this is the easiest site in the world to troll because the concepts of hyperbole and sarcasm seem very foreign to many who post here. 
It is easy to troll on any site, so we are no exception. Trolling is a poor gauge of anything other than the tolerance of others who "tut" and move on. Flame-wars seldom last here, not through any heavy-handed diligence of the Mods, but through tired exasperation - Trolls have assumed free-speech on their side - we have the kill-switch on ours - check-mate, cheque please. Hyperbole is okay, everybody exaggerates millions of times a day, it never wins an argument though; hammer the point home too hard and you punch through the otherside, destroying whatever you were trying to build in the process. Sarcasm is harder and seldom amuses more than one person, but it is so rarely executed with any finesse that is is rapidly becoming a lost art. Much of what passes for sarcasm is merely mean spiritedness and petty cruelty that it loses any value other than to offend and upset - and for what end? Two seconds of smugness? Seems a shallow victory to me.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 22 2010 at 20:22
Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

Plus it's fun to bash prog because the average prog fan is so uptight and desperately tries to validate his opinions by adding some objective metric to music that doesn't exist. I mean this is the easiest site in the world to troll because the concepts of hyperbole and sarcasm seem very foreign to many who post here. 


This. 1000x this.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 22 2010 at 20:26
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Sarcasm is harder and seldom amuses more than one person, but it is so rarely executed with any finesse that is is rapidly becoming a lost art.


And it's being replaced with Hipster Irony.

(Above link is from Encyclopedia Dramatica, the posting of which carries two necessary consequences: 1) NSFW  2) Henry rages.)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 22 2010 at 20:32
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:


Plus it's fun to bash prog because the average prog fan is so uptight and desperately tries to validate his opinions by adding some objective metric to music that doesn't exist. I mean this is the easiest site in the world to troll because the concepts of hyperbole and sarcasm seem very foreign to many who post here. 
It is easy to troll on any site, so we are no exception. Trolling is a poor gauge of anything other than the tolerance of others who "tut" and move on. Flame-wars seldom last here, not through any heavy-handed diligence of the Mods, but through tired exasperation - Trolls have assumed free-speech on their side - we have the kill-switch on ours - check-mate, cheque please. Hyperbole is okay, everybody exaggerates millions of times a day, it never wins an argument though; hammer the point home too hard and you punch through the otherside, destroying whatever you were trying to build in the process. Sarcasm is harder and seldom amuses more than one person, but it is so rarely executed with any finesse that is is rapidly becoming a lost art. Much of what passes for sarcasm is merely mean spiritedness and petty cruelty that it loses any value other than to offend and upset - and for what end? Two seconds of smugness? Seems a shallow victory to me.
 
What people post is a reflection of themselves - hiding behind screen-names is no defence, the characters may become badly drawn caricatures, but there are still a real people tapping at the keys revealing a little of themselves with each key-press. Over time we can all construct a profile of the personality behind the mask, even mine.



Quite a post Dean, well said as usual

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 22 2010 at 20:53
Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

It is easy to troll on any site, so we are no exception. Trolling is a poor gauge of anything other than the tolerance of others who "tut" and move on. Flame-wars seldom last here, not through any heavy-handed diligence of the Mods, but through tired exasperation - Trolls have assumed free-speech on their side - we have the kill-switch on ours - check-mate, cheque please. Hyperbole is okay, everybody exaggerates millions of times a day, it never wins an argument though; hammer the point home too hard and you punch through the otherside, destroying whatever you were trying to build in the process. Sarcasm is harder and seldom amuses more than one person, but it is so rarely executed with any finesse that is is rapidly becoming a lost art. Much of what passes for sarcasm is merely mean spiritedness and petty cruelty that it loses any value other than to offend and upset - and for what end? Two seconds of smugness? Seems a shallow victory to me.
 
What people post is a reflection of themselves - hiding behind screen-names is no defence, the characters may become badly drawn caricatures, but there are still a real people tapping at the keys revealing a little of themselves with each key-press. Over time we can all construct a profile of the personality behind the mask, even mine.



Quite a post Dean, well said as usual


Yeah......................, right. Tongue

Speaking seriously though, this is the only online forum I haunt and I am as I present myself. Hiding behind a screen name and behaving badly is a cowardly act.  Frankly I think it's more fun to present yourself as you really are anyway.  I only hang out here to have a good time.  Should posting, reviewing, and participating cease to be fun, I'll certainly vanish without creating a thread about it.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 22 2010 at 20:56
Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Sarcasm is harder and seldom amuses more than one person, but it is so rarely executed with any finesse that is is rapidly becoming a lost art.


And it's being replaced with Hipster Irony.

(Above link is from Encyclopedia Dramatica, the posting of which carries two necessary consequences: 1) NSFW  2) Henry rages.)


Really looking forward to the part where Henry comes in and goes psycho
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 22 2010 at 20:56
Theorem: It's fun to bash prog because the average prog fan is so uptight and desperately tries to validate his opinions by adding some objective metric to music that doesn't exist. I mean this is the easiest site in the world to troll because the concepts of hyperbole and sarcasm seem very foreign to many who post here. 

Proof: See Dean's above post. 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 22 2010 at 20:57
Originally posted by Trouserpress Trouserpress wrote:

Hmm... I haven't seen much evidence of this myself, but maybe I'm not looking in the right threads.


Quite.  Perhaps being scarce around here has its benefits.  Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 22 2010 at 21:15
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Pat, please bear my child

Let's get down and dirty to Paramore and raise prog-bashing children together <3
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 22 2010 at 23:29
Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:


Originally posted by Petrovsk Mizinski Petrovsk Mizinski wrote:

Pat, please bear my child

Let's get down and dirty to Paramore and raise prog-bashing children together <3
You really should do it... That glorious sarcasm of yours will prevent you of having children any other way...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 23 2010 at 00:03
stonie, I'm not going to give you the satisfaction even if I were upset, but I'm not because that was not terrible. I'm surprised you managed to find a page on ED that wasn't horribly NSFW and riddled with memes (that are the very form of irony they are complaining about!), but I guess you have a talent.
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Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

You are correct that some people say things like that, but in the classical and jazz polls recently the vast majority of people voted that they love prog far more than either. I think as more and more people here have been listening to prog for longer periods of time, they are more naturally going to grow bored of it and prefer something else, especially over the big 5. That's the reason I would absolutely say that I like jazz and classical more than prog, and I imagine that's the case for anybody who has been around forever. I remember a long time ago I saw threefates say that she has listened to BSS at least once a week since it came out, and that is not something most people can do!
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Then the person either loses interest in music or discovers that there's more to music than innovation ... like substance and emotion. Smile
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I'm not sure if I've taken your meaning correctly here, but I've been listening to prog for 40 years and have never grown bored with it. Obviously I've been on the planet longer than probably the majority of PA members, which has given me more time to be exposed to more music. That doesn't mean I've necessarily heard more than all you young 'uns, but I identify with a lot of different types of music as milestones in my life. I don't think I've listened to Foxtrot in, probably, the past 20 years... but I don't need to 'cos I can ''listen'' to it in my head any time.
 
On a more general note... Between the years 1977-1983 i was involved in the burgeoning Punk/New Wave/ Indie/Post-Punk/ whatever music scene in Glasgow. I played in a couple of bands that went on to become quite influential and famous (they shall of course remain nameless here). At the time I chose to pursue a proper career. Somebody shoot me! Anyway, at that time if you admited to liking prog people would laugh in your face. And if you said you liked The Moody Blues Ouch. Maybe this is partly why anything to do with ''punk'' is so controversial here. However I hope that same kind of intolerance doesn't hold sway here at PA. I'm a mature adult now and I would never lose sleep over any personal embarassment. However I obviously haven't fully gotten over those early ridicules, as I still feel the need to apologise for liking Elton John. Wink   
If you were in a new wave band, wouldn't that mean, on some level, you were bored with prog? I'm not saying you ever disliked prog, but I'm 100% certain that nobody who still comes here actually hates every single band listed, not even laplace could pull that one off, and I think that the people who occasionally complain, assuming they aren't trolling, are just experiencing the same thing when you would rather play in a new wave band than a prog one.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 23 2010 at 02:38
Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

Theorem: It's fun to bash prog because the average prog fan is so uptight and desperately tries to validate his opinions by adding some objective metric to music that doesn't exist. I mean this is the easiest site in the world to troll because the concepts of hyperbole and sarcasm seem very foreign to many who post here. 

Proof: See Dean's above post. 

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that the theorem and proof would both be laced with sarcasm was an inevitability Pat.
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