I think that's at least part of it.

But there's a positive side to it as well. Distancing yourself can be a very effective way to look at things in another way and something that can lead to new discoveries and facilitate a less trench-warfare look on music.   

 

and you probably know that the guy you cite in your sig doesn't even regard his band as progressive, rather "psychedelic pop" if memory serves well.

 

When I went to prog, I was very delighted with all new discoveries, but now looking back to all the bands I discovered, I realize very few of the bands I discovered are REALLY original or at least "listenable". I even think there is a lot more to enjoy in the "alternative" rock (of which many bands are in PA)...

 

I don't know, but the more I listen to progo-prog bands (I don't include the technical death metal, technical thrash, electro-jazz bands like squarepusher, art-pop, jazz-rock, stoner, math-rock, mathcore...and all not 100% prog bands) the less I like them. I still like the giants of prog (including Dream Theater) but there is too much clones among their followers, or bands wanting to sound like them.

There are more topics on Yes and their choice of a new singer from You Tube than a band like Pulasr. You have members from different generations. Because I heard Jon Anderson back in 1970, I have a different perspective on his meaning and purpose to prog school. My frustrations regarding a thread such as this, are as follows........Why would a person like Jon Anderson work with Paul Green's school of rock? There is way too much analogy of rock music applied in that school. It's very insulting to me. Things just happened in rock naturally and now that it is being observed with over indulgent modern concepts, I have no respect for the conversation. It is pathetic to me that Jon Anderson worked with students of Paul Green's school of rock. It's the wheel chair situation again. It's very pathetic that Jon Anderson had to resort to measures like asking his guru if he should be working with Paul Green's school of rock. Even though his spiritual guru suggested to him that it would not be in his best interest (in so many words), to do so, don't you as a person find something very annoying and un-intelligent about the whole affair?

When students of Green's school appeared on the Woodstock now and then special, and discussed the fight between Pete Townsend and Abbie Hoffman, one kid stated "Wow! .......Woodstock was all about peace and love but this was really cool because someone was going to die. What the H is up with that? That seems like a contrived attitude that derives from today's way of thinking.


It's more of the subject matter that is constantly being posted on this site that annoys me than the prog music causing me to feel jaded. Also, the terms like Proto-prog are ridiculous. These particular kinds of bands were mixing progressive elements into their music back in the late 60's and even early 70's. People that grew in my generation did not perceive it like a sport event. Yes, Genesis, King Crimson and various other usual suspects are consistently discussed and bands like Pulsar, Ange, Jade Warrior, Stomu Yamashta, Omega, and many, many others are hardly mentioned let alone posting a thread on them. You can locate amazing reviews of great interest on these bands that are included on the P.A. website which is very positive. But, I would love to know how many prog fans enjoy the same Omega titles that I do. I would also enjoy hearing criticisim about the band for educational purposes but, it is rare since I've become a member that I would see this evidence. I found it very unusual that Guru, Guru appreciation thread was posted recently and the Popol Vuh. I find myself replying to threads that I hate but, attempt to render something positive. The choice of thread music topics should be split in half.....50-50.....all the way down. It is maybe due to a generation gap or lack of interest. Some people just don't get it! It's not all about one band or even just 100 percent prog. It is a crossover at times into other genres. It is love turned into hatred due to the way progressive rock is perceived by an abundance of different generations that post threads on the current activity of Yes, Genesis and various others. Certain doors are open and too many others are closed. I always thought that education was to think for yourself? Why do I get the impression that concept is not applied enough?  

 

 

Yes, Prog was popular in the 70s and No, Krautrock was not popular among the punks.

listen to post-punk and no wave and you will understand. See the post-punk thread in PA for band names.

 

 

Anyway, I've been slowly going back to my main (and first) musical love, classical music. Though this is more recent. The main reason is, then, my total rejection for prog snobs... If you really are so into listening to advanced music, go listen to 20th-21st century academic music... And stop putting down anything that doesn't sound "complex"..... And stop being jealous, also, of commercial success. 

I fully agree (including good prog in the ".." of course). In 24 years, I've never been disappointed with the classical composers I've know for that long. And in rock, no matter when, I still get a kick out of some songs by The Doors or albums like Chaos AD (extreme metal) or some DT stuff... Good music should never disappoint you. 

You are correct that some people say things like that, but in the classical and jazz polls recently the vast majority of people voted that they love prog far more than either. I think as more and more people here have been listening to prog for longer periods of time, they are more naturally going to grow bored of it and prefer something else, especially over the big 5. That's the reason I would absolutely say that I like jazz and classical more than prog, and I imagine that's the case for anybody who has been around forever. I remember a long time ago I saw threefates say that she has listened to BSS at least once a week since it came out, and that is not something most people can do!

I wasn't aware the two were in opposition to each other. And how exactly does one define "substance"?

roger, you shouldn't be surprised that most of us don't listen to pop music, even if a lot of us like a lot of non-prog rock.

 

I'm not sure if I've taken your meaning correctly here, but I've been listening to prog for 40 years and have never grown bored with it. Obviously I've been on the planet longer than probably the majority of PA members, which has given me more time to be exposed to more music. That doesn't mean I've necessarily heard more than all you young 'uns, but I identify with a lot of different types of music as milestones in my life. I don't think I've listened to Foxtrot in, probably, the past 20 years... but I don't need to 'cos I can ''listen'' to it in my head any time.

 

On a more general note... Between the years 1977-1983 i was involved in the burgeoning Punk/New Wave/ Indie/Post-Punk/ whatever music scene in Glasgow. I played in a couple of bands that went on to become quite influential and famous (they shall of course remain nameless here). At the time I chose to pursue a proper career. Somebody shoot me! Anyway, at that time if you admited to liking prog people would laugh in your face. And if you said you liked The Moody Blues . Maybe this is partly why anything to do with ''punk'' is so controversial here. However I hope that same kind of intolerance doesn't hold sway here at PA. I'm a mature adult now and I would never lose sleep over any personal embarassment. However I obviously haven't fully gotten over those early ridicules, as I still feel the need to apologise for liking Elton John.    

 

a very knowledgeable Troll to boot

 

Stonie you're not as bad as the resident Troll on my Vinyl forum - Birdy he's called, a cantankerous old Hill Billy, he loves to upset and contradict everyone, makes ridiculously silly threads and is a self-appointed master of Prog - I have a lot of fun with him..

 

 

Well put.

 

 

 

 

 

 ... yeah, that makes sense.

Some people may be irritated by the attitude many on the forum have pertaining to prog music so animosities may arise that make the person seem anti-prog when really they're just trying to express that non-progressive music is not to be seen as inferior. 

Plus it's fun to bash prog because the average prog fan is so uptight and desperately tries to validate his opinions by adding some objective metric to music that doesn't exist. I mean this is the easiest site in the world to troll because the concepts of hyperbole and sarcasm seem very foreign to many who post here. 

 

What people post is a reflection of themselves - hiding behind screen-names is no defence, the characters may become badly drawn caricatures, but there are still a real people tapping at the keys revealing a little of themselves with each key-press. Over time we can all construct a profile of the personality behind the mask, even mine.

Proof: See Dean's above post. 

Let's get down and dirty to Paramore and raise prog-bashing children together <3

stonie, I'm not going to give you the satisfaction even if I were upset, but I'm not because that was not terrible. I'm surprised you managed to find a page on ED that wasn't horribly NSFW and riddled with memes (that are the very form of irony they are complaining about!), but I guess you have a talent.

seventhsojourn wrote: Henry Plainview wrote: You are correct that some people say things like that, but in the classical and jazz polls recently the vast majority of people voted that they love prog far more than either. I think as more and more people here have been listening to prog for longer periods of time, they are more naturally going to grow bored of it and prefer something else, especially over the big 5. That's the reason I would absolutely say that I like jazz and classical more than prog, and I imagine that's the case for anybody who has been around forever. I remember a long time ago I saw threefates say that she has listened to BSS at least once a week since it came out, and that is not something most people can do! Mr ProgFreak wrote: Then the person either loses interest in music or discovers that there's more to music than innovation ... like substance and emotion. I wasn't aware the two were in opposition to each other. And how exactly does one define "substance"?   I'm not sure if I've taken your meaning correctly here, but I've been listening to prog for 40 years and have never grown bored with it. Obviously I've been on the planet longer than probably the majority of PA members, which has given me more time to be exposed to more music. That doesn't mean I've necessarily heard more than all you young 'uns, but I identify with a lot of different types of music as milestones in my life. I don't think I've listened to Foxtrot in, probably, the past 20 years... but I don't need to 'cos I can ''listen'' to it in my head any time.   On a more general note... Between the years 1977-1983 i was involved in the burgeoning Punk/New Wave/ Indie/Post-Punk/ whatever music scene in Glasgow. I played in a couple of bands that went on to become quite influential and famous (they shall of course remain nameless here). At the time I chose to pursue a proper career. Somebody shoot me! Anyway, at that time if you admited to liking prog people would laugh in your face. And if you said you liked The Moody Blues . Maybe this is partly why anything to do with ''punk'' is so controversial here. However I hope that same kind of intolerance doesn't hold sway here at PA. I'm a mature adult now and I would never lose sleep over any personal embarassment. However I obviously haven't fully gotten over those early ridicules, as I still feel the need to apologise for liking Elton John.

If you were in a new wave band, wouldn't that mean, on some level, you were bored with prog? I'm not saying you ever disliked prog, but I'm 100% certain that nobody who still comes here actually hates every single band listed, not even laplace could pull that one off, and I think that the people who occasionally complain, assuming they aren't trolling, are just experiencing the same thing when you would rather play in a new wave band than a prog one.

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if you own a sodastream i hate you

that the theorem and proof would both be laced with sarcasm was an inevitability Pat.

lol what kind of a post is this? 

You need to grow up Teo. This is a place for mature discussion and such off kilter comments cannot be tolerated if we are to foster sincere discussion. This is a place of class. For shame Teo, for shame.