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Points: 3449 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 21 2010 at 13:33
Let's all just relax and listen to this.
 
 
Warning: you're in for a 10 minute joyride.
 


Edited by jammun - February 21 2010 at 13:34
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Lincoln County Road or Armageddon.
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Points: 8138 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 21 2010 at 14:12
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hehe this post-punk band sounds like a cross of Hawkwind and La Düsseldorf. But as some people here "explained" previously, it is linked to the punk movement, therefore it has nothing to do with prog (?)...
 


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Originally posted by Raff Raff wrote:


As I said before, I believe this is the main problem with this thread - suggesting a new subgenre with such a controversial name, rather than assessing individual bands like the ones you just mentioned.
and post-METAL is not "controversial" ? = post-rock derivative of rock (not prog) + heavy-metal (derivative of... blues ? not prog)
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I think that  Portraits of  Past is a perfect example of Post Punk who defined a genre! Awesome band, but VERY underrated!

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Points: 4373 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 21 2010 at 14:24
Originally posted by lucas lucas wrote:

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hehe this post-punk band sounds like a cross of Hawkwind and La Düsseldorf. But as some people here "explained" previously, it is linked to the punk movement, therefore it has nothing to do with prog (?)...
 


Amazing how nomenclature and associations to spooky things can keep people from appreciating this late 70s/80s music, eh?
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Points: 24429 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 21 2010 at 14:29
Originally posted by lucas lucas wrote:

Originally posted by Raff Raff wrote:


As I said before, I believe this is the main problem with this thread - suggesting a new subgenre with such a controversial name, rather than assessing individual bands like the ones you just mentioned.
and post-METAL is not "controversial" ? = post-rock derivative of rock (not prog) + heavy-metal (derivative of... blues ? not prog)


Well, why don't you PM M@x then, and ask him to delete the entire subgenre, since you believe it is not prog - instead of treating everyone who disagrees with you like an idiot? I just wonder why we are wasting your time in discussing things, when you already have all the answers.
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Originally posted by Raff Raff wrote:

instead of treating everyone who disagrees with you like an idiot? 
Question you say it...I try to build a discussion but most of the progheads come and say : "no, it comes from punk so it can not be "prog" ".
 
Metal is not prog/ post-metal is experimental therefore it IS "prog".
Punk is not prog / post-punk is experimental therefore it is NOT prog.
 
Something is wrong in this reasoning...
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Points: 8138 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 21 2010 at 14:42
Originally posted by WalterDigsTunes WalterDigsTunes wrote:

Originally posted by lucas lucas wrote:

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hehe this post-punk band sounds like a cross of Hawkwind and La Düsseldorf. But as some people here "explained" previously, it is linked to the punk movement, therefore it has nothing to do with prog (?)...
 


Amazing how nomenclature and associations to spooky things can keep people from appreciating this late 70s/80s music, eh?
well, lots of "raw" punk bands are very good : ultravox, adicts, minutemen, GBH, the exploited, minutemen, minor threat, dead kennedys, TSOL, misfits...and I knew them before I began to dig post-punk.
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I'd like to hear somebody's opinion about this -in my opinion - fantastic Post Punk band ... Thank you in advance!!!Smile
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Points: 4373 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 21 2010 at 14:47
Originally posted by lucas lucas wrote:

Originally posted by WalterDigsTunes WalterDigsTunes wrote:

Originally posted by lucas lucas wrote:

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hehe this post-punk band sounds like a cross of Hawkwind and La Düsseldorf. But as some people here "explained" previously, it is linked to the punk movement, therefore it has nothing to do with prog (?)...
 


Amazing how nomenclature and associations to spooky things can keep people from appreciating this late 70s/80s music, eh?
well, lots of "raw" punk bands are very good : ultravox, adicts, minutemen, GBH, the exploited, minutemen, minor threat, dead kennedys, TSOL, misfits...and I knew them before I began to dig post-punk.


Ultravox and TSOL did go on some pretty synthtastic adventures, the former more than the latter. Pretty polished and state of the art stuff, yet exploratory at the same time.
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Originally posted by ko ko wrote:

 
This is post-hardcore, and just as bands like cult of luna, isis, the ocean and tusk, they could qualify for PA, but under post-metal, as there is no post-hardcore tag in PA.
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Originally posted by lucas lucas wrote:

Originally posted by ko ko wrote:

 
This is post-hardcore, and just as bands like cult of luna, isis, the ocean and tusk, they could qualify for PA, but under post-metal, as there is no post-hardcore tag in PA.
Ok, do you like their sound of not? Are they great band or not? Post Hardcore or Post Punk - newermind - but that sound is the future of serious rock music, imo.
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Points: 8138 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 21 2010 at 15:07
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given that I saw recently Dillinger Escape Plan on stage, plan to go and see Rolo Tomassi and iwrestledabearonce, bought CDs by sweet noise, coalesce and assjack, saying that I dislike hardcore or post-hardcore would be lying.  Also I have a friend of mine who is a die hard fan of hardcore and who got me into it. 
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Originally posted by lucas lucas wrote:

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given that I saw recently Dillinger Escape Plan on stage, plan to go and see Rolo Tomassi and iwrestledabearonce, bought CDs by sweet noise, coalesce and assjack, saying that I dislike hardcore or post-hardcore would be lying.  Also I have a friend of mine who is a die hard fan of hardcore and who got me into it. 
Thank you!
 
ps another great song by them  (just ignore that wrong cd cover!)
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Points: 8138 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 21 2010 at 15:18
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excellent.
Check out Orchid as well (I suggested them for PA).
The curious thing about Assjack (see my previous post) is that it is lead by Hank Williams III, yes the same guy who released country-rock albums.
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Points: 6797 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 22 2010 at 17:29
Originally posted by lucas lucas wrote:

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Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:

Furthermore, to deny that certain bands (joy division, Siouxie, etc.) are post-punk is absurd.
 
somepost-punk influence but belong to the gothic wave (see below).
 
following bands belong to the gothic wave :
- joy division, http://www.gutsofdarkness.com/god/objet.php?objet=1967 well cold-wave + post-punk
- siouxsie and the banshees http://www.gutsofdarkness.com/god/objet.php?objet=3466 post-punk goth
 
Talking Heads are tagged "new wave".
 
  
 
Joy Div and Siouxsie are Post Punk.  Joy Div Post Punk in every way possible.  In the type of music they play.  In the time period they sprung up.  In the fact they started as a punk band and then changed.  Siouxsie started as a punk band and then recorded at least two PP albums and singles .  They all were adopted by Goths but none of the above are Gothic  even 'Goths' at the time wouldn't call them that - unlike possibly Bauhaus, Sisters, Sex Gang, Southern Death Cult, UK Decay etc.
 
In the end, as Dean said the difficulty with this as a genre is, even the fans can't agree to what is what!  I would like to think that some bands would be accepted somewhere here.  But I have no idea where?  I still think that there is a place for SOME of these bands but probably not all. in the end there is a huge difference between what some describe as post punk like Wire and Violent Femmes (See previous posts) Still its fun seeing people get hot under the collar LOL
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Points: 6797 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 22 2010 at 17:39
 
 
 
 
 
 
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