post punk ?

Raff wrote: JLocke wrote: Raff wrote: Bonnek wrote: By the way, did anyone care to look at All Music. Check the Experimental Rock section http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=77:4437 Prog-Rock Post-Punk Kraut Rock Post-Rock No Wave Proto-Punk Neo-Psychedelia Noise-Rock Progressive Metal Neo-Prog Math Rock Canterbury Scene Karl, you can bring up all the examples you want (as I have), but some people here will not take notice of you. They see what they want to see, and will not waver a second from their beliefs. There are people here who believe PA is a den of iniquity because of the Prog-Related section, and don't know what is happening on other sites or publications - or perhaps they just refuse to see. Who gives a damn what other sites are doing? We have no loyalty to them, or anybody else. We make decisions based on what we think is best for us. I could really care less what the boys next door are up to. Well, I collaborate with one of those other sites, so I for one care about what happens outside PA. I hope I haven't lost my right to do so. And I would advise you to tone down the aggression - I want to have a civil discussion here, not have to defend myself every time I post.

Bonnek wrote:   Now I think many will not agree with this.  So what? I can't bring up the exact posts immediately, but I've read on multiple occasions (in the new bands thread) that the fact whether other prog sites include a certain artist or not, is surely a decisive factor to add them here as well (or not). Using other prog resources as guides for adding a certain artist from time to time, and adding an entirely new sub-genre simply because somebody else decides to are two very different things, my friend. Also, the point you make sounds like saying: 'I will spell the word 'progresive' with one 's' because that's how I feel it should be spelled and I don't care how others spell it. No it doesn't. What I'm saying is that we should make sure our decisions make the most sense for us before we do anything as monumental as adding a completely new sub-genre to the site. If you honestly can't grasp that, I don't know what to tell you. But I am NOT simply being stubborn about this for no good reason.

Raff wrote: Bonnek wrote: Now I think many will not agree with this. I can't bring up the exact posts immediately, but I've read on multiple occasions (in the new bands thread) that the fact whether other prog sites include a certain artist or not, is surely a decisive factor to add them here as well (or not). Also, the point you make sounds like saying: 'I will spell the word 'progresive' with one 's' because that's how I feel it should be spelled and I don't care how others spell it. It definitely is for controversial additions (Prog-Related or not). I know this as a fact, and any of the Admin Team will be able to confirm it. There is another factor too: prog fans visit many sites to read reviews or find other information, and will see bands or artists included there that here are not. This is how many members' suggestions occur. Like it or not, we don't exist in a void. We can choose to be different, but it's not necessarily a win-win situation.

It should also be pointed out that we are not always *behind* the other sites with band additions.  Sometimes we are ahead of them.  I have added bands to PA which you will NOT find on the other wonderful prog sites, or who were not there when I added them to this site. 

Sorry, guys, but I don't like the implications of some of the things said in the above posts. If you believe the likes of me and Olav are showing off because we get promos for free from other sites, well, you're off base. If all we wanted to do was show off, we would not care to see some of those artists we review added to PA. Finding links and samples, as well as writing bios and adding albums, is a lot of work, and I can tell you that the only reason I do that (and Olav as well - we've talked about it very often) is because we care for this site.

Personally, I have learned a lot about music since I started reviewing for Progressor, and that activity has broadened my horizons a lot. This is something I want to share with the people here, and not to use as a way to state, 'look, I know more than you do'. This is just not me - and, if you think so, it means you don't know anything about the person I am.

 As a final remark, I do not think for a second that the other sites are ' wonderful', and could not care less about engaging into a competition with them. Most of them work very differently (i.e. they are based on news and reviews, while ours is a database), and I believe this is a good thing. However, as we don't exist in a void, I don't see why we should not consider what they do. I don't really believe it was necessary to be offensive in order to make a point.

*That* was offensive??  Wow.  I stand by my central tenet that we do fine here and don't need to feel inferior to other sites, though my comments were general, not aimed at anyone. 

Edited by Finnforest - February 19 2010 at 14:42

thellama73 wrote: I like Devo, but I can think of nothing about their music that would warrant them a progressive rock label.

The following band are tagged "post-punk" :

The following bands belong to the gothic wave :

I see no link between over blown twiddling and experimentation. Post punk was the direct descendent of punk, which kicked down the doors for young musicians to break rules. Post punk and 'Prog' couldn't be more different.

Easy Money wrote: I like post-punk, but I think it's obvious that the site will not be adding post-punk as a subgenre anytime soon. Post-punk bands that are progressive will be added to existing subgenres. I was listening to Devo's first album the other day, amazing record, very progressive. I think people should try to present a strong case with musical examples etc for XTC and Pere Ubu, I think those bands might have a shot. Meanwhile bands like Massacre and Material are already here.

As I said before, I believe this is the main problem with this thread - suggesting a new subgenre with such a controversial name, rather than assessing individual bands like the ones you just mentioned.