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Henry Plainview 
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Joined: May 26 2008 Location: Declined Status: Offline Points: 16715 |
 Posted: January 25 2010 at 15:06 |
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You'd have to be an idiot not to know that caffeine and nicotine are drugs, especially since whenever these discussions come up, the substance abusers always shout BUT CAFFEINE IS A DRUG TOO WHY DON'T YOU CARE ABOUT THAT!? Unlike a most people, I don't regularly drink caffeinated beverages because it's already hard enough for me to get up in the morning without my being addicted to a stimulant, but I think the difference between caffeine/nicotine and LSD is obvious: LSD causes you to lose touch with reality, and the most caffeine can do is make you feel energetic. Nicotine is stronger, but that still only has peripheral mood effects. I read an interesting study a while ago that said that the relaxation given by a cigarette is actually just the relief of nicotine withdrawal, and I think increasing stress is a bad idea, but I guess others may disagree. And yes, lots of people abuse alcohol as well, but I also judge people who get piss drunk for fun. In fact, many studies show that alcohol is actually more harmful than many drugs that are illegal (I just saw this today, which caused me to once again laugh at the shortsightedness of my peers), which is always used as proof that marijuana and whatever else should be legalized, but I tend to take it the other way, although I realize that outlawing alcohol would be a very bad idea.
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if you own a sodastream i hate you
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zappaholic
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Joined: March 24 2006 Location: flyover country Status: Offline Points: 2822 |
Posted: January 25 2010 at 20:07 |
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No hippie thread is complete without Neil.
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"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard." -- H.L. Mencken
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Rabid
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Joined: May 20 2008 Location: Bridge of Knows Status: Offline Points: 512 |
Posted: January 26 2010 at 03:37 |
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I read that the term 'Hip' was first used by the Haight Independent Proprietors.......a bunch of shop-keepers on Haight St., determined to make a cheap buck out of the 'freak' scene........that was 'generalized' to associate freak-types as 'Hippies'.
Don't know how true THAT is?????? Edited by Rabid - January 26 2010 at 03:48 |
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"...the thing IS, to put a motor in yourself..."
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Dean
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Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
Posted: January 26 2010 at 03:46 |
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^ "not very"
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What?
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Rabid
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Joined: May 20 2008 Location: Bridge of Knows Status: Offline Points: 512 |
Posted: January 26 2010 at 03:50 |
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OK.
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"...the thing IS, to put a motor in yourself..."
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someone_else
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VIP Member Joined: May 02 2008 Location: Going Bananas Status: Offline Points: 24574 |
Posted: January 26 2010 at 03:54 |
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I wouldn't say so. Neil just looks like a hippie, but he is just an afterimage of hippiedom, placed in the wrong context of time. In fact he may be rather a yuppie (a word from the time of his heyday) than a hippie.
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Rabid
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Posted: January 26 2010 at 03:55 |
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"...the thing IS, to put a motor in yourself..."
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Atavachron
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Posted: January 26 2010 at 04:05 |
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a good myth though |
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: January 26 2010 at 05:39 |
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Better not lick the stamps. |
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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TODDLER
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VIP Member Joined: August 28 2009 Location: Vineland, N.J. Status: Offline Points: 3126 |
Posted: January 26 2010 at 22:05 |
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I missed the hippie age. I was 13 in 1969. I had hippies all around me though. I would stay in my room and practice guitar but, when I wanted a drink of water, hippies were in the kitchen. I'm sure some of you knew what it was like to have older brothers and sisters that brought hippies into the house? At the time, I was listening to Arthur or the Decline and Fall of the British Empire by the Kinks. I would hear late 60's music in the house at night and it scared me.
 They came off as being rather snooty. They would pick at me because I didn't know "Sunshine of your Love" by Cream. They would ridicule me because I would work on Johnny Smith and The Ventures guitar pieces instead of Clapton and Hendrix.  I suppose I looked like a young punk and was treated like one. Eventually I came around and opened my mind to the 60's music but, it was in 1971 and things were changing then. It was strange for me to see British Invasion acts turning into flower power bands. Or the Lovin Spoonful, a band from America that had top 40 hits suddenly doing an album like 'Everything Playing". Hippies that I Met seemed fixated on adapting some sort of religion whether it be Buddist or Devil worship. I was much too young to know if this was all a fringe fad or true to the core attitude. All I knew is that it was scary. It's very much like that scene in Monster House where Bones is trying to scare DJ in his bedroom. Happy Halloween Doofus. The consumption of LSD was scary at the time and so many were taking it, you might think the mental hospitals would start turning people away. Peter Green and Syd Barrett were 2 acid casualties that never fully recovered and I'm sure there were many others. I wondered why it was so easy for people to give in? I was a castaway and so I did not know or care enough to steal drugs from hippies and find out myself. Good thing I didn't.
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himtroy
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Posted: January 27 2010 at 19:54 |
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Yes, citing that a lot of people say something is a good way of proving it's wrong. Looking at the facts would be another good choice. But that would lead to you being wrong, so I wouldn't suggest it.
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TODDLER
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Posted: January 27 2010 at 21:03 |
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More wax museum information here........There was a kind of fad that ruled over circles of the youth from 1970 to 1975 in South Jersey. That fad was Devil worship and it was on a very vast level. The films, the music and the witchcraft in high school. Kids were always talking about casting spells. I grew up in Vineland, N.J. and there were some very disturbing and tragic events which took place during my high school years. There was a bizzare Satan cult killing in 1971. There was a Satan worshippers sect in our area. Remember Lilith Sinclair? High Priestess of the Church of Satan on the west coast? She was investigated for the murder of a kid in our school. Her and a segment of the group had migrated to Vineland and the police were conducting a huge investigation attempting to link her to the murder. Maybe Miss Sinclair felt that taking vunerable kids into her group was perfect timing because witchcraft was very commercial then. I stayed in my room most of the time anyway. I didn't care to indulge. Black Sabbath's first album was a huge influence on kids my age. However, this was no Heavy Metal mentality or concept relayed. There was no such term at that time. It was defined as Hard Rock. There was no Lost Boys movie to influence kids to form their private vampire cult. In the media there was Dark Shadows and the memory of films like Rosemary's Baby from 1966. Revised in people's minds nevertheless. There were many Jesus freaks trying to convert kids off the street. They had study groups and were relentless. They would pass judgements upon you just for taking a walk down the street. There were many in-houses where they resided and took kids under their wing. They were well aware of the Devil worship society and drug consumption crowds in Vineland. My only concern was the fact that Lilith Sinclair and the Church of Satan posed as one of these groups, but conducted services in a church that many well respected citizens attended on Sundays. Eventually she was forced out of the area after the Black Magic sacrifice of a student in our school.
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mystic fred
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Posted: January 28 2010 at 01:41 |
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I got flamed on another forum for jokingly referring to the Velvet Underground "banana" album as "hippy trippy"..
some people have no sense of humour - or am i right?
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mystic fred
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Posted: January 28 2010 at 01:51 |
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they were strange times indeed - Glam rock and Heavy rock ruled in the mid 70's, everyone was trying to out-do the 60's but it went too far and things became really gross.
beneath all this pretentious floss we were still in the 1950's in people's minds, it was not until the 90's that the real meanings and ethics of the 60's bore fruit - the environment, standard of living, racism, world village etc.
Punk Rock was just a reaction to all the floss by disaffected unemployed teenagers making a noise, never liked it and still don't.
i have a lot of happy memories of the 70's, people were a lot more neighbourly then, though many areas such as Health and Safety regulations have come a long way, people used to work in apalling conditions, and nearly everybody smoked and drove under the influence of alchohol before the law was tightened up, and no "Political Correctness".
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Atavachron
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 30 2006 Location: Pearland Status: Offline Points: 65521 |
Posted: January 28 2010 at 02:36 |
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'Trapeze trousers' ? Is this another term for bellbottoms?
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Raff
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Posted: January 28 2010 at 05:48 |
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Well, if you need a laugh, in Italy we call them 'elephant leg trousers'   ... |
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TODDLER
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VIP Member Joined: August 28 2009 Location: Vineland, N.J. Status: Offline Points: 3126 |
Posted: January 28 2010 at 07:28 |
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I remember a few detailed aspects about the hippie social gatherings and their love for music. As I said before being anywhere between ages 12 and 13, and having an interest only in becoming a guitar player........and hippies visiting the house, I recall plain as day the abundance of interest and appreciation for Canned Heat, Mike Bloomfield, Paul Butterfield, Peter Green's Fleetwood Mac, John Mayall and various others who were basically wiped off the face of the earth by the 80's. And in the 90's these artists were virtually unknown to the youth. Mike Bloomfield was often mentioned in music conversations with hippies. He hosted festivals and played great blues/rock guitar. You could walk down the street back then and ask the average Joe who Mike Bloomfield was and the immediate reaction was ..........Great guitar player! Quite like circles of people today who rave over Satriani and Vai. All hippies for the most part knew he was great!
Canned Heat were headliners and bands like the Allman Brothers and the Doors were opening acts for them. Everyone knew that Blind Owl Wilson was the greatest harmonica player around. As I grew older and pursued guitar instruction for a part time living, Kids were mis-informed and could not conceive how the artists I mentioned above were during the 60's, big as sliced bread. The usual suspects like Clapton, the Dead, Hendrix and Joplin were the extent of a child's vision into the 60's music culture. The music industry closed doors on about half of the greats from the 60's. It wasn't the artists fault by any means. It was a business decision made by executives puffing on their fat cigars and relaxing in their office lounge chairs.
This is why kids today look at you like your flippin' nuts when you mention names other than the usual suspects Many kids will do the research and discover the hidden truth but, will never visualize clearly how popular these artists really were. As I said before, these artists were discussed at every hippie gathering. As the style of wording or expression in journalists articles is often subtle and not revealing and to the point anyway. It was music that reached all hippies and not a selective few who were underground freaks. They have got it all wrong. The representation of the 60's is often misleading in this way.
I remember everytime I asked my dad to drive me to the record store to purchase "Chicago Transit Authority" it would be sold out. I mean, Chicago became a huge success in top 40 but, do people in today's society really think of that first album as a popular item in the 60's? The answer is a definite no. It is not thought to be in the same boat with releases like Cream's Wheels of Fire or The Doors self titled. Overall it is not. Listening to Paul Butterfield and Canned Heat was just as common as listening to the Beatles White Album in 1968. Think of all the red tape you would have to plough through to get that concept written in stone today. Simple analogy is that the industry's version of what the hippie people loved is quite false and in reality is a lie. The wall is so thick that no matter how many books you wrote on the subject, you will never reach that many people again. The irony of the situation is that the x-revolutionists created a new society of their own which was 10 times worse than the one that they rebelled against in 1969. .
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clarke2001
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Posted: January 28 2010 at 08:41 |
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'Trapeze trousers' is what we call them in my country. I didn't bother to check for the English term ,because this one seems quite self-explanatory. In fact, I though the term might be known in English too - because of that classic rock band, Trapeze.  The clues about the knowledge of another language could be quite misleading - I was convinced the English term for a bell-ringer is...hunchback. |
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FusionKing
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Joined: December 28 2009 Location: Scotland Status: Offline Points: 522 |
Posted: February 02 2010 at 11:38 |
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Yeah. I'm a hippy. I am a student with hair down to my butt, who hates every established political, social and religious system. Rock music, cigarettes, beer and beads are my life. I'm saving up for a motortrike, I sing in a band, I still use and buy vinyl. Many of my beliefs are shaped by quantum theory and alternative medicine. I like a good bit of banter on philosophies regarding life, the universe and everything. I'm anti-war, anti-theist and pro drug legalisation. I am the only youth where I live who has these beliefs and lives the way I do. All the folk under 40 years old are boring, unimaginative farts at the moment... (Or so it seems over here anyway!)
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ExittheLemming
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Posted: February 02 2010 at 20:04 |
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Best to emigrate (I did) |
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