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Snow Dog
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Posted: January 24 2010 at 13:49 |
I'm a kind of Post Hippy.
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ExittheLemming
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ExittheLemming
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Posted: January 24 2010 at 13:55 |
micky wrote:
indeed...
as I said earlier Dean... the nativity of hippiedom.... smoking tons of dope might make you horny and give you the munchies... but it doesn't change the fact the world is a nasty, selfish, violent place.
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The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip
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Posted: January 24 2010 at 16:05 |
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The Pessimist
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Posted: January 24 2010 at 17:31 |
zappaholic wrote:
The Pessimist wrote:
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Came here for Cartman. Leaving satisfied.
/hippies can't stand death metal
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Perhaps I'm the polar opposite to a hippy then
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Arnold Schoenberg
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: January 24 2010 at 21:37 |
akamaisondufromage wrote:
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Ah the Fabulous Furry Freak Brothers. ![LOL LOL](smileys/smiley36.gif) I was looking for this album cover ![](http://i19.ebayimg.com/03/c/05/a8/ef/0c_7.JPG) and found this: ![](http://cover7.cduniverse.com/CDBABY/Large/79/634479323379.jpg)
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Posted: January 25 2010 at 01:14 |
yeah Altamont was rough, Jerry Garcia described it as: "..like arriving
in Hell-- there were burning tires, and the light had a weird pinkish
glow."
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think everyone's view is correct to some degree; In the Bay Area,
hippie 'culture' lasted well into the early 1980s, and it wasn't till
the cold stench of the Reagan era had taken hold that it began to
die-off. But in the rest of the world it was probably over much
earlier. Dean is correct that hippies were not associated with
Prog rock but in California by about 1978, the few remaining one's
appreciated Yes, Tull and Floyd as much as anyone - in addition to
related artists as Traffic, Rush, Kansas, and Zeppelin - each band embraced by a comatose movement who's musical
heroes were dead or dying .. Hey: show me a hippie who doesn't like either Floyd or Tull and I'll show you one lonely longhair.
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Dean
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Posted: January 25 2010 at 02:21 |
^ of course that's the other thing to remember - anyone with long hair was called a hippy for years after, the people Punks called Hippies didn't call themselves that.
this from Sounds, 1974:"For though Hawkwind have become token hippies, the irony is that for the most part they are real hippies - Nick certainly admitted feeling distressed that "hippy" was now used as a term of abuse. But how many hippies are there left, really? For in Amsterdam, that supposed citadel of the type, the cold fact is that they pulled only one third capacity at the Concertgebouw."
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Posted: January 25 2010 at 03:05 |
I don't know if hippies still exist. I have seen people under 40 dressed up like hippies now and then, not to mention some human beings who did not survive the 60's unharmed and are still stuck in these days with more than one leg, but I can't tell if these people can properly be called 'hippies' in the context of this time. The word does not sound more actual in my ears than 'beatnik', 'mod' or 'punk'.
Speaking for myself, I know that I'm definitely NOT a hippie. Maybe I wanted to be one for a while, but it does not fit in with my own ideas. I have a particular dislike for spirituality in general and Eastern morosophies in particular; I never wanted to have a Persian carpet and wish it could fly, for I love to have solid ground beneath my feet. I prefer the exclusivity of marriage above "free love". The smell of patchouli brings me in a state which precedes vomission. I quit smoking pot when I was about half my current age without yearning for it ever again. And I'm happy this way ![Smile Smile](https://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley1.gif) .
I'm just a conservative...
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Blacksword
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Posted: January 25 2010 at 07:38 |
himtroy wrote:
It seems like most of the people here have no conception of "hippies" beyond what they've seen in footage of Woodstock. Also, FACT Alcohol is worse for you than many of the drugs you people are complaining about people using. |
That is very much a generalisation about drugs vs drink.
Drink and drugs affect different people in different ways. I tend to throw up after 5 pints, and feel like sh!t for two days afterwards. However I can get stoned, and still function (although obviously I wouldn't drive!) Many of my friends can drink up to 20 pints on a day session, but are turned inside out by weed.
Anyway, back on topic, I'm not a hippie, because I'm not a pacifist, I'm afraid. Sorry folks. Also, like a great many here on this forum I work for an 'evil' multinational corporation.
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Posted: January 25 2010 at 09:04 |
Could someone (older than 40) explain something to me?This might be off topic, but perhaps it's not. I was born in 1976, so I don't know what was going on. What was happening in the 70's? In the years after hippie movement and before punk? Of course, there was prog rock, there was glam rock, disco, there was NYC proto-punk stuff. Fashion was more or less similar (or am I wrong?) ,at least from today's persepctive. But what was the mindset? Was the youth in 1972-1974 cynical or nostalgic about hippies? What were the philosophies? Counter-culture? What was 'cool'? Cinema? Art? Attitude? Tell me about the time of flip clocks... ![Heart Heart](smileys/smiley27.gif) ![](http://jacklambert.files.wordpress.com/2006/06/flipclock.jpg) When exactly long hair became short, and trapeze trousers became narrow ones? 1976? 1980? I remember some of my parent's friends with long hair and moustache as late as 1983. I know there are as many different answers as different people, but still... Please?
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Snow Dog
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Posted: January 25 2010 at 09:12 |
I had long hair til about.......'77?
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Easy Money
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Posted: January 25 2010 at 09:22 |
Re Moris' question: In the states, in the mid-70s in little cow-poke suburbia. Young sheep like counter-cultural followers still looked sort of like hippies, but not as cliche. No sandals or peace signs, but we still had bell-bottoms that were starting to become disco-fied designer jeans. Our hair was long, but not as long. We made fun of hippies for their idealism, 'groovy lingo' and extreme politics, but co-opted their substances and lax attitudes about sex. The new generation was into Alice Cooper, Deep Purple and P-Funk, not The Beatles and Hendrix.
Short hair and straight leg jeans came from the NYC gay community as early as the early 70s, as well as proto-punk. This new style spread to the rest of the east coast by the late 70s and short haired punk and new wave started being cool in suburbia by 79 or 80. Although squares still had hair over their ears well into the mid 80s. The west coast and south were slower to cut their hair than the east coast.
Reagan era hip-conservatism and new wave style sensibilities combined in the mid-80s to put 'hippie' on hiatus until the rave scene and the Seattle grunge scene brought it back.
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Posted: January 25 2010 at 09:40 |
@Moris: Think of it like this - in 1969 Martin Scorsese was in the production team of the Woodstock film as an editor (and he even can be seen for a second in the film), and in 1974 he was shooting Taxi Driver. I this that speaks volumes about the change of interests, perspectives, etc.
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: January 25 2010 at 11:57 |
I let my hair get a little long, but when it takes too long to dry in the morning I get it cut rather short. Perpetual change, baby.
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Posted: January 25 2010 at 12:50 |
No, but the g/f is. Her favorite color is tie-dye.
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Negoba
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Posted: January 25 2010 at 13:00 |
My hair is down past the middle of my back.
I grew up listening to heavy metal in the 80's though.
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Dean
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clarke2001 wrote:
Could someone (older than 40) explain something to me?
This might be off topic, but perhaps it's not.
I was born in 1976, so I don't know what was going on.
What was happening in the 70's? In the years after hippie movement and before punk?
Of course, there was prog rock, there was glam rock, disco, there was NYC proto-punk stuff.
Fashion was more or less similar (or am I wrong?) ,at least from today's persepctive.
But what was the mindset? Was the youth in 1972-1974 cynical or nostalgic about hippies? What were the philosophies? Counter-culture? What was 'cool'? Cinema? Art? Attitude?
Tell me about the time of flip clocks...![Heart Heart](smileys/smiley27.gif)
![](http://jacklambert.files.wordpress.com/2006/06/flipclock.jpg)
When exactly long hair became short, and trapeze trousers became narrow ones? 1976? 1980? I remember some of my parent's friends with long hair and moustache as late as 1983.
I know there are as many different answers as different people, but still...
Please?
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Fortunately (!) the 70s fashion that we all think of is a bit of a caricature of what people really wore - glam & glitter was not street wear, most teenagers (certainly of the Prog persuasion) wore denim and a printed T-shirt much like they have done ever since. Jeans were flared (somewhere between 16" & 28") but platform and stack heeled boots were not that common (it's really difficult to drive a car or ride a motorcycle in them). Punk fashion in the UK was not quite as wide-spread as the fashion culture historians would have you believe either and by the time it hit the High Street (~1979) the movement itself had more or less gone. From a male perspective it generally meant nothing more than the jeans becoming narrower and the t-shirt graphics changing from Peace and Love to Anarchy and the colours changing from Purple and Orange to Grey and White.
What we did have in the UK was a massive inflation and an economic recession, which lead to the 3-Day week, unemployment, strikes and the Winter Of Discontent... which basically meant we were too skint to waste money on food, clothes and haircuts (and soap, shampoo and a razor) when there was good music to be bought and great gigs to go to.
I managed to hang on to my hair until '78, but I needed to get sponsorship to go to Uni so had it trimmed to shoulder length for the interview. That length didn't suit me, so I had it cut a bit shorter the following year - it stayed shortish for another 4 or 5 years, but by the Mid-80s I was one of those pony-tailed ex-hippies Iain referred too (but not an insurance clerk ![Wink Wink](smileys/smiley2.gif) ).
Can't say much about the flip-clocks, being a electronics apprentice I was more interested in LED and Nixie clocks and even owned a Sinclair Black Watch.
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