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akamaisondufromage
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Posted: January 24 2010 at 15:13 | ||||
I'm sure you're right Raff. Although I can't help thinking that Magazine was influenced more than The Stranglers by Prog. A shame if Magazine didn't get in here in some genre especially as they went completely against the grain by forming a band with keyboards before punk had even started to fade - actually when it was at its peak.
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tszirmay
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Posted: January 24 2010 at 15:17 | ||||
I just got my CD versions of Magazine's first 3 albums and what a blast. Having seen them live I can attest that Adamson has the wobbliest bass this side of Mick Karn (or Jah Wobble!!!!), I still have flashbacks today. Magazine were viciously exciting and deserve attention . How about Ultravox ? I mean Vienna, Mr.X, Astradyne, the entire Systems of Romance album and any early John Foxx album certainly qualifies somewhat.
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tszirmay
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Posted: January 24 2010 at 15:28 | ||||
Magazine will probably be thwarted entrance because of the opulent F word on "Permafrost" , a cool , icy track that defies description. But "Song from Under the Floorboards" is the proggiest slice of bass-driven punk prog ever! "Back to Nature" ain't shabby either.
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Rocktopus
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Posted: January 24 2010 at 15:37 | ||||
Some of my favorite are:
Lemon Kittens Fibonaccis and Athletico Spizz 80 / Spizzoil / Spizzenergi (they changed their name a lot) |
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Over land and under ashes
In the sunlight, see - it flashes Find a fly and eat his eye But don't believe in me Don't believe in me Don't believe in me |
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akamaisondufromage
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Posted: January 24 2010 at 15:43 | ||||
The Stranglers must have fallen down pretty quick with all those stray F's
Song also has some of the best lyrics ever put to music!
Do listen!
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Icarium
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Posted: January 24 2010 at 15:46 | ||||
this probably be seen as balsphemic but i would boldly say that the combination of New wave and Post-punk was the real progressive movement in the 80s (i thought of this wile I was trying to sleep). wile Neo-prog are takeing the ideas of 70s prog, but playing it with more modern instruments (keybords and synths), more melodick but stil epic, the New wave/post punk scene took some new fresh ideas wile still being artistic and atmospheric but used the music of what was more popular around that time and made it more complex and grandious, wile the post punk bands took the atitude and straight aheadness of punk but added more complex instrumentation, keybords, and fused funk, electronic, krautrock, reggea and experimenal music. New wave took the melodic side of prog and simplyfied it, added more catchyness to it, more straight disco grooves, but wile not sounding 100% disco, litle bit of glam rock, but oceanc of lush keybords and solid tenor voices
this two were the most creative and moldmooving music moovments in the 80s, with bands like Talk Talk, Tears for Fears, Joe Division, Killing Joke, Bauhaus, Cure, Depeach Mode helped pawn the way for lots of creativity for years to come many helped develop genres like Post-rock, Industrial rock, Grunge and goth rock Edited by aginor - January 24 2010 at 16:11 |
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seventhsojourn
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Posted: January 24 2010 at 15:49 | ||||
What was that thread about prog snobbery!
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whydontyoueatcarrots
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Posted: January 24 2010 at 15:50 | ||||
This Heat - Deceit.
On the dark side of things, critiqued as being the bridge between post-punk and krautrock. Deceit is their most song oriented album, most of their stuff is more improvised/noisey. I like all their stuff, but they were really my intro to the genre. |
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Mom, I tore a big hole in the convertible
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Raff
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Posted: January 24 2010 at 15:53 | ||||
Word. I listened to a lot of so-called 'new wave' in the early Eighties, and its general level of quality and innovation was amazing. Pity that some people are too blinkered to see it. And Chris, yes, you're right, it's snobbery - but sometimes it's hard to go against the grain. I wish people would actually LISTEN to music, instead of relying on tags and definition often stuck on a band or artist by people who have no clue whatsoever. Edited by Raff - January 24 2010 at 15:53 |
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tszirmay
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Posted: January 24 2010 at 15:57 | ||||
Label= Libel
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The Doctor
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Posted: January 24 2010 at 15:59 | ||||
^ I'm a huge new wave fan. I grew up with that music, so intermixed with listening to Yes, Genesis, ELP, Crimson and Floyd and so on, I was also listening to the Cars, Talking Heads, the Police, Duran Duran, Tears for Fears and so on.
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I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you?
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Tsevir Leirbag
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Posted: January 24 2010 at 16:01 | ||||
Cardiacs
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Les mains, les pieds balancés
Sur tant de mers, tant de planchers, Un marin mort, Il dormira - Paul Éluard |
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Raff
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Posted: January 24 2010 at 16:11 | ||||
True, but remember the labels.. They were called prog-punk right from the beginning, and in any case they're not related to the original punk movement, as is the case of all the other above-mentioned bands.
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ExittheLemming
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Posted: January 24 2010 at 16:13 | ||||
The Fall - Hex Enduction Hour (the track Hip Priest was used on the soundtrack for Silence of the Lambs)
The Cure - Pornography or 17 Seconds Echo & the Bunnymen - Heaven Up Here Television - (anything and everything) Siouxsie & the Banshees - Ju Ju and Kaleidoscope Talking Heads - More Songs About Buildings and Food and Fear of Music (after that... Nah) Monochrome Set - Strange Boutique and Love Zombies Wall of Voodoo - Call of the West The Psychedelic Furs - The Psychedelic Furs Magazine - (anything and everything) U2- October (yes, really) Patti Smith Group - Horses and Wave XTC - Drums and Wires and Black Sea Pere Ubu - The Modern Dance The League of Gentlemen - The League of Gentlemen (with Robert Fripp) The Teardrop Explodes - Kiliminjaro and Wilder The Fire Engines - Lubricate Your Living Room The Cocteau Twins - Garlands The Simple Minds - Real to Real Cacophony Aztec Camera - High Land Hard Rain Orange Juice - Texas Fever (an EP with 6 tracks) The list goes on... |
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harmonium.ro
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Posted: January 24 2010 at 16:17 | ||||
All first three U2 albums are great post-punk albums. |
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The Doctor
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Posted: January 24 2010 at 16:26 | ||||
Yeah. Boy, War and October are all brilliant. War being my favorite of the three.
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akamaisondufromage
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Posted: January 24 2010 at 16:26 | ||||
Great list exit! Just gets a bit too Scottish towards the end though!
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Raff
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Posted: January 24 2010 at 16:29 | ||||
Seconded. My personal favourite is War, but the other two are none too shabby either. |
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akamaisondufromage
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Posted: January 24 2010 at 16:31 | ||||
I forgot Japan who must be the exception to the rule?
Doctor What evil person made you listen to Duran Duran (eeeugh )
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The Doctor
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Posted: January 24 2010 at 16:35 | ||||
^ I still like Duran Duran.
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