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Topic: Post-Punk for beginnersPosted By: The Hemulen
Subject: Post-Punk for beginners
Date Posted: January 24 2010 at 04:53
So, I've been dipping a toe into the world of post-punk every now and again for a while now, but I seem to be doing it slightly wrong. Whilst I love all the weirder, fringey post-punk acts like Tuxedomoon, Stump and The Diagram Brothers, I just can't get my head round 'classic' genre-defining acts like The Fall.
Can anyone here recommend me a handful of essential post-punk albums so I can at least get a handle on what this highly creative movement was all about?
Replies: Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: January 24 2010 at 05:06
A couple of bands which come to mind are The Violent Femmes and The Talking Heads. For the first band, their s/t debut is a must-have. For the Talking Heads, I would get any one of their first four...but Fear of Music and Remain In Light are their masterpieces.
Oh and The Smiths are also worth checking out.
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Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: January 24 2010 at 06:14
one band KILLING JOKE !!!!!! they are the chiefs of post-punk and the Police also have som post punk but they are more cathy and ska reggea influenced
Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: January 24 2010 at 07:29
Post- Punk eh? I doubt if it's because you're doing it wrong. I'm not sure there is a right way to do PP. Who can define it firstly cos I don't know. And when did PP start? Was 'The Scream' by Siouxsie and the Banshees Punk or PP? I would listen to it anyway cos it's brilliant and make up your own mind? It's also an incredibly diverse 'genre'. Someone mentioned Talking Heads and Violent Femmes in the same breath now I always thought TH were PP but never thought of the VF, but having a quick look at Wiki there they are!! (I know wiki know nothing).
So TH - Fear of Music and VF Violent Femmes both great albums - miles apart mind you!
So bearing in mind they are all completely different and nothing like Stump (The only one of your three I have listened to)
Wire - Chairs Missing
Joy Division - (Take your pick)
Devo - Are we not men?
The Fall (Yes I know) - Live at the Witches Trials
Human League - Travelogue
Magazine - Real Life
PIL - Metal Box
XTC - Drums and Wires
Cabaret Voltaire - Red Mecca
Psychedelic Furs
Gang of Four - Entertainment!
And so on......
A start anyway,not a list for all prog lovers and I'm sure there are many more that you would like who sound like Stump (The Box (Not the one here) sound ish to me).
Julian Cope stream of obscure and less obscure post punk sampler. He doesn't half go on though!
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Posted By: Bonnek
Date Posted: January 24 2010 at 07:38
If you like Tuxedo Moon, check out Durutti Column! Albums : Circuses and bread, Vini Reilly
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: January 24 2010 at 08:13
I would second the suggestions of Talking Heads (Remain in Light is a masterpiece, one of those must-hear albums), as well as Siouxsie and the Banshees. The Scream is quite raw, still very much in the punk mould, while the following albums are definitely more polished (and I mean this in a good way). My personal favourite would be Juju, followed by A Kiss in the Dreamhouse. I also believe The Cure would qualify as post-punk, especially their first two albums, Three Imaginary Boys and Seventeen Seconds.
Posted By: Kazuhiro
Date Posted: January 24 2010 at 08:42
La Dusseldorf
Posted By: The Hemulen
Date Posted: January 24 2010 at 08:50
Thanks for all the recommendations! Lots of these albums are available on Spotify, it seems, so I'll check 'em all out in due course.
I'm listening to that Fall album right now, and I think it might be working for me. I've only ever heard The Fall in isolated bursts before - a radio play here, a youtube video there - and I found them jarring. Listening to a bunch of songs in context makes a lot more sense to my ears, it seems.
Posted By: Procol Harum Machine
Date Posted: January 24 2010 at 09:00
Delta 5- Singles and Sessions 1979-1981
Tubeway Army - Tubeway Army
Most of the other good stuff stuff has been said already.
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Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: January 24 2010 at 09:13
Killing Joke - s/t album from 1980. and Night Time (this is my favourite dark and gloomy atmosphere, Kings and Queens is a wonderfull song
Posted By: seventhsojourn
Date Posted: January 24 2010 at 13:56
akamaisondufromage wrote:
Post- Punk eh? I doubt if it's because you're doing it wrong. I'm not sure there is a right way to do PP. Who can define it firstly cos I don't know. And when did PP start? Was 'The Scream' by Siouxsie and the Banshees Punk or PP? I would listen to it anyway cos it's brilliant and make up your own mind? It's also an incredibly diverse 'genre'. Someone mentioned Talking Heads and Violent Femmes in the same breath now I always thought TH were PP but never thought of the VF, but having a quick look at Wiki there they are!! (I know wiki know nothing).
So TH - Fear of Music and VF Violent Femmes both great albums - miles apart mind you!
So bearing in mind they are all completely different and nothing like Stump (The only one of your three I have listened to)
Wire - Chairs Missing
Joy Division - (Take your pick)
Devo - Are we not men?
The Fall (Yes I know) - Live at the Witches Trials
Human League - Travelogue
Magazine - Real Life
PIL - Metal Box
XTC - Drums and Wires
Cabaret Voltaire - Red Mecca
Psychedelic Furs
Gang of Four - Entertainment!
And so on......
A start anyway,not a list for all prog lovers and I'm sure there are many more that you would like who sound like Stump (The Box (Not the one here) sound ish to me).
Julian Cope stream of obscure and less obscure post punk sampler. He doesn't half go on though!
Great to see Magazine getting a mention; Secondhand Daylight is a classic! Pink Flag by Wire is worth checking out too.
Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: January 24 2010 at 14:18
Some of my favourites:
Echo & The Bunnymen - Heaven Up Here The Birthday Party - Junkyard Joy Division - Closer Siouxsie & The Banshees - Juju The Smiths - Meat Is Murder Public Image Ltd. - The Flowers of Romance Crime and the City Solution - The Adversary: Live Marc Seberg - 83 Josef K - Entomology
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: January 24 2010 at 14:36
^ akahouseofcheese's recommendations are top-notch
I would classify The Scream as being on the cusp between Punk and Post-Punk and would rate Switch as being one of the first post-punk songs.
I'd pick Reproduction over Travelogue for the Human League, or perhaps even http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Golden_Hour_of_the_Future - The Golden Hour Of The Future , but that may be too "out there" for some but it does give a good account of their more experimental origins.
Anyway, minor picking.
I'll add a few of my own personal, (but perhaps less well known), faves:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sound - The Sound - Jeopardy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pop_Group - The Pop Group - For How Much Longer Do We Tolerate This Mass Murder?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Comsat_Angels - The Comsat Angels - Waiting For A Miracle
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Random_Hold - Random Hold - Etceteraville
Somewhat later: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danielle_Dax - Danielle Dax - Pop Eyes
...and I'd probably throw in Bauhaus - Mask for good measure.
...I can't recommend a Fall album because I don't really like them much on album, though I do really enjoy seeing them live.
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: January 24 2010 at 14:42
Vompatti wrote:
Some of my favourites:
Crime and the City Solution - The Adversary: Live
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Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: January 24 2010 at 14:43
seventhsojourn wrote:
akamaisondufromage wrote:
Magazine - Real Life
Great to see Magazine getting a mention; Secondhand Daylight is a classic! Pink Flag by Wire is worth checking out too.
Thanks! I'm always banging on about Magazine hey ho! I think they should be here somewhere! I almost went for SD I think more people prefer it (But not me) and I concidered The Correct Use of Soap too!
Agree about Pink Flag too!
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Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: January 24 2010 at 14:49
Dean wrote:
^ akahouseofcheese's recommendations are top-notch
I would classify The Scream as being on the cusp between Punk and Post-Punk and would rate Switch as being one of the first post-punk songs.
I'd pick Reproduction over Travelogue for the Human League, or perhaps even http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Golden_Hour_of_the_Future - The Golden Hour Of The Future , but that may be too "out there" for some but it does give a good account of their more experimental origins.
Anyway, minor picking.
I'll add a few of my own personal, (but perhaps less well known), faves:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sound - The Sound - Jeopardy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pop_Group - The Pop Group - For How Much Longer Do We Tolerate This Mass Murder?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Comsat_Angels - The Comsat Angels - Waiting For A Miracle
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Random_Hold - Random Hold - Etceteraville
Somewhat later: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danielle_Dax - Danielle Dax - Pop Eyes
...and I'd probably throw in Bauhaus - Mask for good measure.
...I can't recommend a Fall album because I don't really like them much on album, though I do really enjoy seeing them live.
Gosh praise indeed! I will check out your suggestions I don't know.
Prefer In the Flat Field but luckily we are all different.
The Fall was one of the best bands I have ever seen live too. Very tight.
I also have a bit of a thing for Wall of Voodoo 'Call of the West.'
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: January 24 2010 at 14:55
I forgot to mention another favourite band of mine, though they might be a bit too 'mainstream' rock'n'roll for some: The Pretenders. Their first two albums had definitely a punk edge, though with a sophistication (as in the reggae-tinged "Private Life") that straightforward punk did not possess. And Chrissie Hynde is one of my favourite female vocalists of all time (like Siouxsie).
Posted By: seventhsojourn
Date Posted: January 24 2010 at 14:57
akamaisondufromage wrote:
seventhsojourn wrote:
akamaisondufromage wrote:
Magazine - Real Life
Great to see Magazine getting a mention; Secondhand Daylight is a classic! Pink Flag by Wire is worth checking out too.
Thanks! I'm always banging on about Magazine hey ho! I think they should be here somewhere! I almost went for SD I think more people prefer it (But not me) and I concidered The Correct Use of Soap too!
Agree about Pink Flag too!
Absolutely! How about it PA?!
Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: January 24 2010 at 15:01
this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqM_DTvghzw&feature=channel - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqM_DTvghzw&feature=channel
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: January 24 2010 at 15:06
seventhsojourn wrote:
akamaisondufromage wrote:
seventhsojourn wrote:
akamaisondufromage wrote:
Magazine - Real Life
Great to see Magazine getting a mention; Secondhand Daylight is a classic! Pink Flag by Wire is worth checking out too.
Thanks! I'm always banging on about Magazine hey ho! I think they should be here somewhere! I almost went for SD I think more people prefer it (But not me) and I concidered The Correct Use of Soap too!
Agree about Pink Flag too!
Absolutely! How about it PA?!
You know, unfortunately anything with a connection to punk is considered highly controversial here, and as such to be handled with extreme care. For instance, I would support the inclusion of Talking Heads, and supported that of The Stranglers as well (they were rejected), but I realize they stand very little chance. People tend to react to additions they don't agree with as if someone had killed their cat (or even a family member), and because of that it is necessary to tread very carefully.
Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: January 24 2010 at 15:13
Raff wrote:
seventhsojourn wrote:
akamaisondufromage wrote:
seventhsojourn wrote:
akamaisondufromage wrote:
Magazine - Real Life
Great to see Magazine getting a mention; Secondhand Daylight is a classic! Pink Flag by Wire is worth checking out too.
Thanks! I'm always banging on about Magazine hey ho! I think they should be here somewhere! I almost went for SD I think more people prefer it (But not me) and I concidered The Correct Use of Soap too!
Agree about Pink Flag too!
Absolutely! How about it PA?!
You know, unfortunately anything with a connection to punk is considered highly controversial here, and as such to be handled with extreme care. For instance, I would support the inclusion of Talking Heads, and supported that of The Stranglers as well (they were rejected), but I realize they stand very little chance. People tend to react to additions they don't agree with as if someone had killed their cat (or even a family member), and because of that it is necessary to tread very carefully.
I'm sure you're right Raff. Although I can't help thinking that Magazine was influenced more than The Stranglers by Prog. A shame if Magazine didn't get in here in some genre especially as they went completely against the grain by forming a band with keyboards before punk had even started to fade - actually when it was at its peak.
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Posted By: tszirmay
Date Posted: January 24 2010 at 15:17
I just got my CD versions of Magazine's first 3 albums and what a blast. Having seen them live I can attest that Adamson has the wobbliest bass this side of Mick Karn (or Jah Wobble!!!!), I still have flashbacks today. Magazine were viciously exciting and deserve attention . How about Ultravox ? I mean Vienna, Mr.X, Astradyne, the entire Systems of Romance album and any early John Foxx album certainly qualifies somewhat.
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Posted By: tszirmay
Date Posted: January 24 2010 at 15:28
Magazine will probably be thwarted entrance because of the opulent F word on "Permafrost" , a cool , icy track that defies description. But "Song from Under the Floorboards" is the proggiest slice of bass-driven punk prog ever! "Back to Nature" ain't shabby either.
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Posted By: Rocktopus
Date Posted: January 24 2010 at 15:37
Some of my favorite are: http://www.myspace.com/lemon131kittens - Lemon Kittens http://www.myspace.com/fibonaccis - Fibonaccis and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVmv7t9Dqqo&feature=related - Athletico Spizz 80
Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: January 24 2010 at 15:43
tszirmay wrote:
Magazine will probably be thwarted entrance because of the opulent F word on "Permafrost" , a cool , icy track that defies description. But "Song from Under the Floorboards" is the proggiest slice of bass-driven punk prog ever! "Back to Nature" ain't shabby either.
The Stranglers must have fallen down pretty quick with all those stray F's
Song also has some of the best lyrics ever put to music!
Do listen!
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Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: January 24 2010 at 15:46
this probably be seen as balsphemic but i would boldly say that the combination of New wave and Post-punk was the real progressive movement in the 80s (i thought of this wile I was trying to sleep). wile Neo-prog are takeing the ideas of 70s prog, but playing it with more modern instruments (keybords and synths), more melodick but stil epic, the New wave/post punk scene took some new fresh ideas wile still being artistic and atmospheric but used the music of what was more popular around that time and made it more complex and grandious, wile the post punk bands took the atitude and straight aheadness of punk but added more complex instrumentation, keybords, and fused funk, electronic, krautrock, reggea and experimenal music. New wave took the melodic side of prog and simplyfied it, added more catchyness to it, more straight disco grooves, but wile not sounding 100% disco, litle bit of glam rock, but oceanc of lush keybords and solid tenor voices
this two were the most creative and moldmooving music moovments in the 80s, with bands like Talk Talk, Tears for Fears, Joe Division, Killing Joke, Bauhaus, Cure, Depeach Mode helped pawn the way for lots of creativity for years to come many helped develop genres like Post-rock, Industrial rock, Grunge and goth rock
Posted By: seventhsojourn
Date Posted: January 24 2010 at 15:49
Raff wrote:
seventhsojourn wrote:
akamaisondufromage wrote:
seventhsojourn wrote:
akamaisondufromage wrote:
Magazine - Real Life
Great to see Magazine getting a mention; Secondhand Daylight is a classic! Pink Flag by Wire is worth checking out too.
Thanks! I'm always banging on about Magazine hey ho! I think they should be here somewhere! I almost went for SD I think more people prefer it (But not me) and I concidered The Correct Use of Soap too!
Agree about Pink Flag too!
Absolutely! How about it PA?!
You know, unfortunately anything with a connection to punk is considered highly controversial here, and as such to be handled with extreme care. For instance, I would support the inclusion of Talking Heads, and supported that of The Stranglers as well (they were rejected), but I realize they stand very little chance. People tend to react to additions they don't agree with as if someone had killed their cat (or even a family member), and because of that it is necessary to tread very carefully.
What was that thread about prog snobbery!
Posted By: whydontyoueatcarrots
Date Posted: January 24 2010 at 15:50
This Heat - Deceit.
On the dark side of things, critiqued as being the bridge between post-punk and krautrock. Deceit is their most song oriented album, most of their stuff is more improvised/noisey. I like all their stuff, but they were really my intro to the genre.
------------- Mom, I tore a big hole in the convertible
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: January 24 2010 at 15:53
aginor wrote:
this probably be seen as balsphemic but i would boldly say that the combination of New wave and Post-punk was the real progressive movement in the 80s (i thought of this wile I was trying to sleep). wile Neo-prog are taking the ideas of 70s prog, but playing it with more modern instruments (keybords and synths), more melodick but stil epic, then New wave/post punk scene took some new fresh ideas wile stil being artistic and atmospheric but used the music of what was more popular around that time and made it more complex and grandious, wile the post punk bands took the atitude and straight aheadness of punk but added more complex instrumentation, keybords, and fused funk, electronic, krautrock, reggea and experimenal music. New wave took the melodic side of prog and simplyfied it, added more catchyness to it, more straght disco grooves, but wile not sounding 100% disco, litle bit of glam rock, but oceanc of lush keybords and solid tenor voices
this two were the most creative and moldmooving music moovments in the 80s, with bands like Talk Talk, Tears for Fears, Joe Division, Killing Joke, Bauhaus, Cure, Depeach Mode helped pawn the way for lots of creativity for years to come many helped develop genres like Post-rock, Industrial rock, Grunge and goth rock
Word. I listened to a lot of so-called 'new wave' in the early Eighties, and its general level of quality and innovation was amazing. Pity that some people are too blinkered to see it.
And Chris, yes, you're right, it's snobbery - but sometimes it's hard to go against the grain. I wish people would actually LISTEN to music, instead of relying on tags and definition often stuck on a band or artist by people who have no clue whatsoever.
Posted By: tszirmay
Date Posted: January 24 2010 at 15:57
Label= Libel
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Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: January 24 2010 at 15:59
^ I'm a huge new wave fan. I grew up with that music, so intermixed with listening to Yes, Genesis, ELP, Crimson and Floyd and so on, I was also listening to the Cars, Talking Heads, the Police, Duran Duran, Tears for Fears and so on.
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Posted By: Tsevir Leirbag
Date Posted: January 24 2010 at 16:01
Raff wrote:
seventhsojourn wrote:
akamaisondufromage wrote:
seventhsojourn wrote:
akamaisondufromage wrote:
Magazine - Real Life
Great to see Magazine getting a mention; Secondhand Daylight is a classic! Pink Flag by Wire is worth checking out too.
Thanks! I'm always banging on about Magazine hey ho! I think they should be here somewhere! I almost went for SD I think more people prefer it (But not me) and I concidered The Correct Use of Soap too!
Agree about Pink Flag too!
Absolutely! How about it PA?!
You know, unfortunately anything with a connection to punk is considered highly controversial here, and as such to be handled with extreme care. For instance, I would support the inclusion of Talking Heads, and supported that of The Stranglers as well (they were rejected), but I realize they stand very little chance. People tend to react to additions they don't agree with as if someone had killed their cat (or even a family member), and because of that it is necessary to tread very carefully.
Cardiacs
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Sur tant de mers, tant de planchers,
Un marin mort,
Il dormira
- Paul Éluard
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: January 24 2010 at 16:11
True, but remember the labels.. They were called prog-punk right from the beginning, and in any case they're not related to the original punk movement, as is the case of all the other above-mentioned bands.
Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: January 24 2010 at 16:13
The Fall - Hex Enduction Hour (the track Hip Priest was used on the soundtrack for Silence of the Lambs) The Cure - Pornography or 17 Seconds Echo & the Bunnymen - Heaven Up Here Television - (anything and everything) Siouxsie & the Banshees - Ju Ju and Kaleidoscope Talking Heads - More Songs About Buildings and Food and Fear of Music (after that... Nah) Monochrome Set - Strange Boutique and Love Zombies Wall of Voodoo - Call of the West The Psychedelic Furs - The Psychedelic Furs Magazine - (anything and everything) U2- October (yes, really) Patti Smith Group - Horses and Wave XTC - Drums and Wires and Black Sea Pere Ubu - The Modern Dance The League of Gentlemen - The League of Gentlemen (with Robert Fripp) The Teardrop Explodes - Kiliminjaro and Wilder The Fire Engines - Lubricate Your Living Room The Cocteau Twins - Garlands The Simple Minds - Real to Real Cacophony Aztec Camera - High Land Hard Rain Orange Juice - Texas Fever (an EP with 6 tracks)
The list goes on...
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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: January 24 2010 at 16:17
ExittheLemming wrote:
U2- October (yes, really)
All first three U2 albums are great post-punk albums.
Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: January 24 2010 at 16:26
harmonium.ro wrote:
ExittheLemming wrote:
U2- October (yes, really)
All first three U2 albums are great post-punk albums.
Yeah. Boy, War and October are all brilliant. War being my favorite of the three.
------------- I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you?
Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: January 24 2010 at 16:26
ExittheLemming wrote:
The Fall - Hex Enduction Hour (the track Hip Priest was used on the soundtrack for Silence of the Lambs) The Cure - Pornography or 17 Seconds Echo & the Bunnymen - Heaven Up Here Television - (anything and everything) Siouxsie & the Banshees - Ju Ju and Kaleidoscope Talking Heads - More Songs About Buildings and Food and Fear of Music (after that... Nah) Monochrome Set - Strange Boutique and Love Zombies Wall of Voodoo - Call of the West The Psychedelic Furs - The Psychedelic Furs Magazine - (anything and everything) See! U2- October (yes, really) Patti Smith Group - Horses and Wave XTC - Drums and Wires and Black Sea Pere Ubu - The Modern Dance The League of Gentlemen - The League of Gentlemen (with Robert Fripp) The Teardrop Explodes - Kiliminjaro and Wilder The Fire Engines - Lubricate Your Living Room The Cocteau Twins - Garlands The Simple Minds - Real to Real Cacophony Aztec Camera - High Land Hard Rain Orange Juice - Texas Fever (an EP with 6 tracks)
The list goes on...
Great list exit! Just gets a bit too Scottish towards the end though!
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: January 24 2010 at 16:29
harmonium.ro wrote:
ExittheLemming wrote:
U2- October (yes, really)
All first three U2 albums are great post-punk albums.
Seconded. My personal favourite is War, but the other two are none too shabby either.
Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: January 24 2010 at 16:31
I forgot Japan who must be the exception to the rule?
Doctor What evil person made you listen to Duran Duran (eeeugh )
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Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: January 24 2010 at 16:35
^ I still like Duran Duran.
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Posted By: Bonnek
Date Posted: January 24 2010 at 16:39
ExittheLemming wrote:
The Fall - Hex Enduction Hour (the track Hip Priest was used on the soundtrack for Silence of the Lambs) The Cure - Pornography or 17 Seconds Echo & the Bunnymen - Heaven Up Here Television - (anything and everything) Siouxsie & the Banshees - Ju Ju and Kaleidoscope Talking Heads - More Songs About Buildings and Food and Fear of Music (after that... Nah) Monochrome Set - Strange Boutique and Love Zombies Wall of Voodoo - Call of the West The Psychedelic Furs - The Psychedelic Furs Magazine - (anything and everything) U2- October (yes, really) Patti Smith Group - Horses and Wave XTC - Drums and Wires and Black Sea Pere Ubu - The Modern Dance The League of Gentlemen - The League of Gentlemen (with Robert Fripp) The Teardrop Explodes - Kiliminjaro and Wilder The Fire Engines - Lubricate Your Living Room The Cocteau Twins - Garlands The Simple Minds - Real to Real Cacophony Aztec Camera - High Land Hard Rain Orange Juice - Texas Fever (an EP with 6 tracks)
The list goes on...
That list doesn't have Bauhaus so it doesn't count
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: January 24 2010 at 16:43
akamaisondufromage wrote:
I forgot Japan who must be the exception to the rule?
Doctor What evil person made you listen to Duran Duran (eeeugh )
Japan are here (added them myself), but someone disagreed very strongly with their addition - as you will notice if you look at the reviews of their albums. However, anyone who denies that Tin Drum is prog should have their ears examined.
Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: January 24 2010 at 16:48
I don't think Japan ,....Sorry what was that you said?
Yep I realise that's why I said they must be the exception to the rule.
Well done for getting them on though.
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Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: January 24 2010 at 17:02
Bonnek wrote:
ExittheLemming wrote:
The Fall - Hex Enduction Hour (the track Hip Priest was used on the soundtrack for Silence of the Lambs) The Cure - Pornography or 17 Seconds Echo & the Bunnymen - Heaven Up Here Television - (anything and everything) Siouxsie & the Banshees - Ju Ju and Kaleidoscope Talking Heads - More Songs About Buildings and Food and Fear of Music (after that... Nah) Monochrome Set - Strange Boutique and Love Zombies Wall of Voodoo - Call of the West The Psychedelic Furs - The Psychedelic Furs Magazine - (anything and everything) U2- October (yes, really) Patti Smith Group - Horses and Wave XTC - Drums and Wires and Black Sea Pere Ubu - The Modern Dance The League of Gentlemen - The League of Gentlemen (with Robert Fripp) The Teardrop Explodes - Kiliminjaro and Wilder The Fire Engines - Lubricate Your Living Room The Cocteau Twins - Garlands The Simple Minds - Real to Real Cacophony Aztec Camera - High Land Hard Rain Orange Juice - Texas Fever (an EP with 6 tracks)
The list goes on...
That list doesn't have Bauhaus so it doesn't count
You clearly have a keener memory than myself.
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Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: January 24 2010 at 17:10
new Killing Joke album april 2010
Posted By: LinusW
Date Posted: January 24 2010 at 17:18
Been dipping my toes in post-punk pretty much regularly the last 4-5 months or so. Liking quite a lot of what I hear, but haven't really given it the time and concentration it needs. Great thread!
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: January 24 2010 at 18:22
harmonium.ro wrote:
ExittheLemming wrote:
U2- October (yes, really)
All first three U2 albums are great post-punk albums.
Like Talking Heads before them, once B Eno got involved it all went to pot as far as I'm concerned, but certainly Boy & October are great albums, but I wouldn't call War post-punk really.
------------- What?
Posted By: Sckxyss
Date Posted: January 24 2010 at 19:25
whydontyoueatcarrots wrote:
This Heat - Deceit.
On the dark side of things, critiqued as being the bridge between post-punk and krautrock. Deceit is their most song oriented album, most of their stuff is more improvised/noisey. I like all their stuff, but they were really my intro to the genre.
I'm surprised this has been the only mention of This Heat so far. They seem like they would be the most appealing to fans of prog/kraut. I much prefer this brand of post punk to the poppier forms.
Other great post-punk bands that have some avant-rock tendencies are Pere Ubu (mentioned before) and The Pop Group.
Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: January 24 2010 at 19:34
Raff wrote:
You know, unfortunately anything with a connection to punk is considered highly controversial here, and as such to be handled with extreme care.
the damned - black album
james chance and the contortions
nomeansno - wrong
the lounge lizards
john zorn and painkiller
Virus
Voivod
and I am not an expert so the list can be very long if we dig further
Coming back to the topic :
this heat - deceit
23 skidoo - 7 songs
A certain ratio - shack up / and then again
The slits - cut (with Budgie on drums)
Throbbing Gristle - 20 jazz funk greats
The Pop Group - Y
gangof four - return the gift
K.U.K.L. - the eye
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Posted By: theBox
Date Posted: January 25 2010 at 14:50
I can't believe I'm always the ONLY one who is recommending AND ALSO THE TREES!!!!! Best post punk/new wave/ dark wave band EVER! Check out "Farewell to the shade", "the millpond years", "virus meadow", "green is the sea".
edit: oh...and how could I forget...
The Chameleons - Script of the Bridge Sad Lovers And Giants - Epic Garden Music
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Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: January 25 2010 at 16:30
^
And I can't believe that people throw in the same bag cold-wave/gothic/batcave, new wave and post-punk. All 3 are very different.
Very few of us gave examples of post-punk.
Script of the bridge (in my sig BTW) sounds like a cross between U2 and Cure, it belongs to cold-wave and I don't really see the connection between them and the experimental music of post-punk representatives : This Heat, Rip rig & Panic, 23 skidoo, The Pop Group, PIL...
If confusing new-wave, cold-wave and post-punk, we could cite as well Mission, New Order, Death Cult, Play Dead, Sex Gang Children, Skeletal Family, New Model Army, Furyo...
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Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: January 25 2010 at 17:06
lucas wrote:
^
And I can't believe that people throw in the same bag cold-wave/gothic/batcave, new wave and post-punk. All 3 are very different.
Very few of us gave examples of post-punk.
Script of the bridge (in my sig BTW) sounds like a cross between U2 and Cure, it belongs to cold-wave and I don't really see the connection between them and the experimental music of post-punk representatives : This Heat, Rip rig & Panic, 23 skidoo, The Pop Group, PIL...
If confusing new-wave, cold-wave and post-punk, we could cite as well Mission, New Order, Death Cult, Play Dead, Sex Gang Children, Skeletal Family, New Model Army, Furyo...
I actually think most of the posts have been pretty good here. Defining post-punk can be pretty difficult and I would agree some bands wouldn't fit IMO U2 don't fall in here and you would be right not to put Mission here - nothing to do with post punk. But The Sex Gang Children for Example when I started to go and see them were called 'Positive Punk' and could easily be descibed as post punk. No such thing as Gothic yet.
What is Cold Wave anyway? scuse my ignorance I am interested to know. If The Cure come into this then you wouldn't have heard their first album (And it was albums in the thread title) which could easily again be post punk whatever your description.
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: January 25 2010 at 17:31
^ Coldwave was predominantly French form of Darkwave influenced by Cure's early albums
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Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: January 25 2010 at 17:36
Dean wrote:
^ Coldwave was predominantly French form of Darkwave influenced by Cure's early albums
Thanks Dean. And what is Darkwave?
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: January 25 2010 at 17:48
akamaisondufromage wrote:
Dean wrote:
^ Coldwave was predominantly French form of Darkwave influenced by Cure's early albums
Thanks Dean. And what is Darkwave?
Originally - any dark new wave (so pre-Gothic); - so just about any band could be tagged, just as practically any new wave band can be tagged post punk if you think about it for too long; from the 90s on, it has been more narrowly confined electro-oriented Gothic.
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Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: January 25 2010 at 17:56
Dean wrote:
akamaisondufromage wrote:
Dean wrote:
^ Coldwave was predominantly French form of Darkwave influenced by Cure's early albums
Thanks Dean. And what is Darkwave?
Originally - any dark new wave (so pre-Gothic); - so just about any band could be tagged, just as practically any new wave band can be tagged post punk if you think about it for too long; from the 90s on, it has been more narrowly confined electro-oriented Gothic.
Yes. Thanks. Now I know everything I need to know.
In addition not mentioned before
Ta daaaa Essential Logic (Marvelous) Not Darkwave or Nowave or Coldwave
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Posted By: zappaholic
Date Posted: January 25 2010 at 20:16
Hmmm.... something must be wrong with me, because when I think of post-punk, I think of bands like Fugazi and fIREHOSE.
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: January 26 2010 at 02:07
^ that would be like thinking Marillion were one of the early Prog bands - which from 30 years later is technically but not historically correct.
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Posted By: The Hemulen
Date Posted: January 26 2010 at 11:04
Listened to Magazine - Real Life earlier. Fantastic. Thanks to the many many many of you who recommended that one!
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: January 26 2010 at 11:57
Trouserpress wrote:
Listened to Magazine - Real Life earlier. Fantastic. Thanks to the many many many of you who recommended that one!
Brilliant album. Their second album is a more polished affair....bit Floydy, bit Roxy Musicy. Great though.
As for XTC, try their second album Go Too.....its really spikey! Also the superb pastoral English Settlement.
Posted By: A B Negative
Date Posted: January 26 2010 at 14:32
theBox wrote:
I can't believe I'm always the ONLY one who is recommending AND ALSO THE TREES!!!!! Best post punk/new wave/ dark wave band EVER! Check out "Farewell to the shade", "the millpond years", "virus meadow", "green is the sea".
edit: oh...and how could I forget...
The Chameleons - Script of the Bridge Sad Lovers And Giants - Epic Garden Music
I saw And Also The Trees support The Cure around 1984/5. I think I've still got a badge somewhere.
I bought quite a few Chameleons albums when they were first reissued some years ago, great band!
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Posted By: Syzygy
Date Posted: January 26 2010 at 16:37
Sckxyss wrote:
whydontyoueatcarrots wrote:
This Heat - Deceit.
On the dark side of things, critiqued as being the bridge between post-punk and krautrock. Deceit is their most song oriented album, most of their stuff is more improvised/noisey. I like all their stuff, but they were really my intro to the genre.
I'm surprised this has been the only mention of This Heat so far. They seem like they would be the most appealing to fans of prog/kraut. I much prefer this brand of post punk to the poppier forms.
Other great post-punk bands that have some avant-rock tendencies are Pere Ubu (mentioned before) and The Pop Group.
This Heat are already on the site, which is maybe why they haven't been mentioned much.
I absolutely agree about Pere Ubu - still going strong and still sporadically wonderful - and also David Thomas' solo projects, which have featured RIO musicians like Chris Cutler and Lindsay Cooper (there's quite a lot available on emusic). The Pop Group were also fabulous, and don't forget the spin offs Rip Rig and Panic and Pigbag.
One band that hasn't been mentioned is Scritti Politti - their early recordings were very angular post punk, now compiled on the CD 'Early', and the first album proper 'Songs To Remember' is very much of a piece with Robert Wyatt's 80s output (in fact Wyatt puts in a guest appearance). After that they became increasingly glossy and commercial until they re-emerged a couple of years back with White Bread, Black Beer, which was a return of sorts to their DIY roots.
As for The Fall, I'm definitely a fan - I particularly recommend Grotesque and Hex Enduction Hour. I'm currently reading Mark E Smith's sort of autobiography and it's a riot. Persevere with them, they'll make sense eventually.
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I've got my doubts about how much to contribute
to the already rich among us...'
Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom
Posted By: Prog-jester
Date Posted: January 27 2010 at 12:22
The Chameleons is my fave band from all of these, alongside with The Smiths and The Cure. Also I'd recommend The Sound, Lowlife, Red Temple Spirits (Psychedelic Post-Punk!), And Also the Trees, Television and Felt
Posted By: manch1ech00ta
Date Posted: January 27 2010 at 13:06
oh no man not Post Punk, you should leave that sh*t alone, it doesn't get much lamer than Post-Punk ...
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: January 27 2010 at 13:37
manch1ech00ta wrote:
oh no man not Post Punk, you should leave that sh*t alone, it doesn't get much lamer than Post-Punk ...
The smiley emoticon isn't doing any good here. If you don't like Post Punk I suggest you leave this thread alone and stick to what you do like.
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Posted By: The Hemulen
Date Posted: January 27 2010 at 13:56
Dean wrote:
manch1ech00ta wrote:
oh no man not Post Punk, you should leave that sh*t alone, it doesn't get much lamer than Post-Punk ...
The smiley emoticon isn't doing any good here. If you don't like Post Punk I suggest you leave this thread alone and stick to what you do like.
Well said.
Personally, it's becoming increasingly clear to me (as others in this thread have suggested) that post-punk was in many ways the true successor to prog in the 80's. There's a freshness and sense of genuine innovation and experimentation on a lot of post-punk albums which is entirely lacking from a lot of 80's prog.
When I was a teenager I wouldn't have touched a band which wasn't in some way related to prog, but I'm through with being a snob these days. There's too much incredible music out there to go dismissing entire genres out of hand.
Posted By: SaltyJon
Date Posted: January 27 2010 at 14:34
The only two bands I've seen mentioned here that I've heard much by are Talking Heads and Violent Femmes. I've enjoyed what I've heard by both of them, with TH's Remain in Light being one of my top 20 CDs. I feel like I should explore further into the genre.
Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: January 27 2010 at 14:38
manch1ech00ta wrote:
oh no man not Post Punk, you should leave that sh*t alone, it doesn't get much lamer than Post-Punk ...
No Salty, You should heed this very stern and learned warning - Its Lame
Seriously give it a go there will be something you like on this thread.
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Posted By: SaltyJon
Date Posted: January 27 2010 at 14:42
akamaisondufromage wrote:
manch1ech00ta wrote:
oh no man not Post Punk, you should leave that sh*t alone, it doesn't get much lamer than Post-Punk ...
No Salty, You should heed this very stern and learned warning - Its Lame
Seriously give it a go there will be something you like on this thread.
Yeah somehow I've been recommended some of these bands already, I seem to remember hearing about The Fall and a few others back when I was interested in modern bands introduced by Krautrock...not sure if that's a valid comparison, but they got added to my wishlist somehow.
Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: January 27 2010 at 14:51
SaltyJon wrote:
akamaisondufromage wrote:
manch1ech00ta wrote:
oh no man not Post Punk, you should leave that sh*t alone, it doesn't get much lamer than Post-Punk ...
No Salty, You should heed this very stern and learned warning - Its Lame
Seriously give it a go there will be something you like on this thread.
Yeah somehow I've been recommended some of these bands already, I seem to remember hearing about The Fall and a few others back when I was interested in modern bands introduced by Krautrock...not sure if that's a valid comparison, but they got added to my wishlist somehow.
Well, The Fall (Who I love) did a song called I am Damo Suzuki so you can see the influence on them and others. But, it doesn't figure that if you like Krautrock you will like The Fall.
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Posted By: SaltyJon
Date Posted: January 27 2010 at 14:58
akamaisondufromage wrote:
SaltyJon wrote:
akamaisondufromage wrote:
manch1ech00ta wrote:
oh no man not Post Punk, you should leave that sh*t alone, it doesn't get much lamer than Post-Punk ...
No Salty, You should heed this very stern and learned warning - Its Lame
Seriously give it a go there will be something you like on this thread.
Yeah somehow I've been recommended some of these bands already, I seem to remember hearing about The Fall and a few others back when I was interested in modern bands introduced by Krautrock...not sure if that's a valid comparison, but they got added to my wishlist somehow.
Well, The Fall (Who I love) did a song called I am Damo Suzuki so you can see the influence on them and others. But, it doesn't figure that if you like Krautrock you will like The Fall.
Yeah I didn't sense much of a connection when I listened to tracks by them on Youtube.
Posted By: Tsevir Leirbag
Date Posted: January 28 2010 at 20:35
Trouserpress wrote:
Dean wrote:
manch1ech00ta wrote:
oh no man not Post Punk, you should leave that sh*t alone, it doesn't get much lamer than Post-Punk ...
The smiley emoticon isn't doing any good here. If you don't like Post Punk I suggest you leave this thread alone and stick to what you do like.
Well said.
Personally, it's becoming increasingly clear to me (as others in this thread have suggested) that post-punk was in many ways the true successor to prog in the 80's. There's a freshness and sense of genuine innovation and experimentation on a lot of post-punk albums which is entirely lacking from a lot of 80's prog.
When I was a teenager I wouldn't have touched a band which wasn't in some way related to prog, but I'm through with being a snob these days. There's too much incredible music out there to go dismissing entire genres out of hand.
Wow. I agree with this
We listen to music because we like it. Not because it's progressive.
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Sur tant de mers, tant de planchers,
Un marin mort,
Il dormira
- Paul Éluard
Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: February 13 2010 at 11:19
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Posted By: WalterDigsTunes
Date Posted: February 13 2010 at 12:17
zappaholic wrote:
Hmmm.... something must be wrong with me, because when I think of post-punk, I think of bands like Fugazi and fIREHOSE.
Those are post-hardcore. Mainly American acts featuring members from early to mid-80s hardcore punk.
Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: February 13 2010 at 15:08
You can tell I'm Ill (Bored and ill)
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Posted By: The Hemulen
Date Posted: February 16 2010 at 05:38
Well, if we're just posting videos now...
Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: February 16 2010 at 10:27
Were Devo mentioned ? I think the album Q: Are We Not Men? A: We Are Devo! answers the criteria of post-punk.
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Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: February 16 2010 at 13:36
lucas wrote:
Were Devo mentioned ? I think the album Q: Are We Not Men? A: We Are Devo! answers the criteria of post-punk.
Yes and Yes! Although they (I believe) were actually formed in the early 70s some time so maybe they should be AntePunk. But Are We not Men is a classic.
For me they were partially responsible for my slightly eclectic music taste as (Mentioned before) I saw them at Knebworth 1978 on the bill with Genesis - Tom Petty - Brand X (Who i didn't get at all) - Jefferson Starship.
Devo were canned off by the 'hippies' and I loved them especially when they came back on stage padded up skateboard helmets etc
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: February 16 2010 at 13:49
^ Devo were the highlight of Kneb'78 for me too.
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Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: February 16 2010 at 13:58
Dean wrote:
^ Devo were the highlight of Kneb'78 for me too.
Yes I remember you saying you were at the front dodging the flying bottles
I thought Tom Petty was good too. Cool Topper and shades!
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Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: February 16 2010 at 17:28
akamaisondufromage wrote:
You can tell I'm Ill (Bored and ill)
Ah memories: The bloody chips are bloody cold
Forget the brochures and the proms, welcome to the most healthily self depreciating society in the world (the UK)
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Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: February 16 2010 at 17:39
Don't forget also the excellent James Chance and his Contortions. I am going to see him on the 24th of february with Les contorsions, his backing band composed of french musicians. I am sure it will be a very ntertaining show !
'Buy' is a must-have (must-buy lol)
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