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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 24 2010 at 15:13
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Magazine - Real Life
 
 
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Great to see Magazine getting a mention; Secondhand Daylight is a classic! Pink Flag by Wire is worth checking out too. 
 
Thanks!  I'm always banging on about Magazine hey ho! I think they should be here somewhere! Shocked  I almost went for SD I think more people prefer it (But not me) and I concidered The Correct Use of Soap too! 
 
Agree about Pink Flag too!
 
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You know, unfortunately anything with a connection to punk is considered highly controversial here, and as such to be handled with extreme care. For instance, I would support the inclusion of Talking Heads, and supported that of The Stranglers as well (they were rejectedCry), but I realize they stand very little chance. People tend to react to additions they don't agree with as if someone had killed their cat (or even a family member), and because of that it is necessary to tread very carefully.
 
I'm sure you're right Raff.  Although I can't help thinking that Magazine was influenced more than The Stranglers by Prog.  A shame if Magazine didn't get in here in some genre especially as they went completely against the grain by forming a band with keyboards before punk had even started to fade - actually when it was at its peak.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 24 2010 at 15:17
I just got my CD versions of Magazine's first 3 albums and what a blast. Having seen them live I can attest that Adamson has the wobbliest bass this side of Mick Karn (or Jah Wobble!!!!), I still have flashbacks today. Magazine were viciously exciting and deserve attention . How about Ultravox ? I mean Vienna, Mr.X, Astradyne, the entire Systems of Romance album and any early John Foxx album certainly qualifies somewhat. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 24 2010 at 15:28
Magazine will probably be thwarted entrance because of the opulent F word on "Permafrost" , a cool , icy track that defies description. But "Song from Under the Floorboards" is the proggiest slice of bass-driven punk prog ever! "Back to Nature" ain't shabby either.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 24 2010 at 15:37
Some of my favorite are:
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 24 2010 at 15:43
Originally posted by tszirmay tszirmay wrote:

Magazine will probably be thwarted entrance because of the opulent F word on "Permafrost" , a cool , icy track that defies description. But "Song from Under the Floorboards" is the proggiest slice of bass-driven punk prog ever! "Back to Nature" ain't shabby either.
 
The Stranglers must have fallen down pretty quick with all those stray F'sLOL
 
Song also has some of the best lyrics ever put to music!
 
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 24 2010 at 15:46
this probably be seen as balsphemic but i would boldly say that the combination of New wave and Post-punk was the real progressive movement in the 80s (i thought of this wile I was trying to sleep). wile Neo-prog are takeing the ideas of 70s prog, but playing it with more modern instruments (keybords and synths), more melodick but stil epic, the New wave/post punk scene took some new fresh ideas wile still being artistic and atmospheric but used the music of what was more popular around that time and made it more complex and grandious, wile the post punk bands took the atitude and straight aheadness of punk but added more complex instrumentation, keybords, and fused funk, electronic, krautrock, reggea and experimenal music. New wave took the melodic side of prog and simplyfied it, added more catchyness to it, more straight disco grooves, but wile not sounding 100% disco, litle bit of glam rock, but oceanc of lush keybords and solid tenor voices

this two were the most creative and moldmooving music moovments in the 80s, with bands like Talk Talk, Tears for Fears, Joe Division, Killing Joke, Bauhaus, Cure, Depeach Mode helped pawn the way for lots of creativity for years to come many helped develop genres like Post-rock, Industrial rock, Grunge and goth rock


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 24 2010 at 15:49
Originally posted by Raff Raff wrote:

Originally posted by seventhsojourn seventhsojourn wrote:

Originally posted by akamaisondufromage akamaisondufromage wrote:

Originally posted by seventhsojourn seventhsojourn wrote:

Originally posted by akamaisondufromage akamaisondufromage wrote:

Magazine - Real Life
 
 
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Great to see Magazine getting a mention; Secondhand Daylight is a classic! Pink Flag by Wire is worth checking out too. 
 
Thanks!  I'm always banging on about Magazine hey ho! I think they should be here somewhere! Shocked  I almost went for SD I think more people prefer it (But not me) and I concidered The Correct Use of Soap too! 
 
Agree about Pink Flag too!
 
Absolutely! How about it PA?!


You know, unfortunately anything with a connection to punk is considered highly controversial here, and as such to be handled with extreme care. For instance, I would support the inclusion of Talking Heads, and supported that of The Stranglers as well (they were rejectedCry), but I realize they stand very little chance. People tend to react to additions they don't agree with as if someone had killed their cat (or even a family member), and because of that it is necessary to tread very carefully.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 24 2010 at 15:50
This Heat - Deceit.

On the dark side of things, critiqued as being the bridge between post-punk and krautrock. Deceit is their most song oriented album, most of their stuff is more improvised/noisey. I like all their stuff, but they were really my intro to the genre.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 24 2010 at 15:53
Originally posted by aginor aginor wrote:

this probably be seen as balsphemic but i would boldly say that the combination of New wave and Post-punk was the real progressive movement in the 80s (i thought of this wile I was trying to sleep). wile Neo-prog are taking the ideas of 70s prog, but playing it with more modern instruments (keybords and synths), more melodick but stil epic, then New wave/post punk scene took some new fresh ideas wile stil being artistic and atmospheric but used the music of what was more popular around that time and made it more complex and grandious, wile the post punk bands took the atitude and straight aheadness of punk but added more complex instrumentation, keybords, and fused funk, electronic, krautrock, reggea and experimenal music. New wave took the melodic side of prog and simplyfied it, added more catchyness to it, more straght disco grooves, but wile not sounding 100% disco, litle bit of glam rock, but oceanc of lush keybords and solid tenor voices

this two were the most creative and moldmooving music moovments in the 80s, with bands like Talk Talk, Tears for Fears, Joe Division, Killing Joke, Bauhaus, Cure, Depeach Mode helped pawn the way for lots of creativity for years to come many helped develop genres like Post-rock, Industrial rock, Grunge and goth rock


WordClap. I listened to a lot of so-called 'new wave' in the early Eighties, and its general level of quality and innovation was amazing. Pity that some people are too blinkered to see itCry.

And Chris, yes, you're right, it's snobbery - but sometimes it's hard to go against the grain. I wish people would actually LISTEN to music, instead of relying on tags and definition often stuck on a band or artist by people who have no clue whatsoever.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 24 2010 at 15:57
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 24 2010 at 15:59
^ I'm a huge new wave fan.  I grew up with that music, so intermixed with listening to Yes, Genesis, ELP, Crimson and Floyd and so on,  I was also listening to the Cars, Talking Heads,  the Police,  Duran Duran, Tears for Fears and so on. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 24 2010 at 16:01
Originally posted by Raff Raff wrote:

Originally posted by seventhsojourn seventhsojourn wrote:

Originally posted by akamaisondufromage akamaisondufromage wrote:

Originally posted by seventhsojourn seventhsojourn wrote:

Originally posted by akamaisondufromage akamaisondufromage wrote:

Magazine - Real Life
 
 
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Great to see Magazine getting a mention; Secondhand Daylight is a classic! Pink Flag by Wire is worth checking out too. 
 
Thanks!  I'm always banging on about Magazine hey ho! I think they should be here somewhere! Shocked  I almost went for SD I think more people prefer it (But not me) and I concidered The Correct Use of Soap too! 
 
Agree about Pink Flag too!
 
Absolutely! How about it PA?!


You know, unfortunately anything with a connection to punk is considered highly controversial here, and as such to be handled with extreme care. For instance, I would support the inclusion of Talking Heads, and supported that of The Stranglers as well (they were rejectedCry), but I realize they stand very little chance. People tend to react to additions they don't agree with as if someone had killed their cat (or even a family member), and because of that it is necessary to tread very carefully.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 24 2010 at 16:11
True, but remember the labels.. They were called prog-punk right from the beginning, and in any case they're not related to the original punk movement, as is the case of all the other above-mentioned bands.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 24 2010 at 16:13
The Fall - Hex Enduction Hour (the track Hip Priest was used on the soundtrack for Silence of the Lambs)
The Cure - Pornography or 17 Seconds
Echo & the Bunnymen - Heaven Up Here
Television - (anything and everything)
Siouxsie & the Banshees - Ju Ju and Kaleidoscope
Talking Heads - More Songs About Buildings and Food and Fear of Music (after that... Nah)
Monochrome Set - Strange Boutique and Love Zombies
Wall of Voodoo - Call of the West
The Psychedelic Furs - The Psychedelic Furs
Magazine - (anything and everything)
U2- October (yes, really)
Patti Smith Group - Horses and Wave
XTC - Drums and Wires and Black Sea
Pere Ubu - The Modern Dance
The League of Gentlemen - The League of Gentlemen (with Robert Fripp)
The Teardrop Explodes - Kiliminjaro and Wilder
The Fire Engines - Lubricate Your Living Room
The Cocteau Twins - Garlands
The Simple Minds - Real to Real Cacophony
Aztec Camera - High Land Hard Rain
Orange Juice - Texas Fever (an EP with 6 tracks)

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 24 2010 at 16:17
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U2- October (yes, really)


All first three U2 albums are great post-punk albums. Clap
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 24 2010 at 16:26
Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:


U2- October (yes, really)


All first three U2 albums are great post-punk albums. Clap
 
Yeah. Boy, War and October are all brilliant.  War being my favorite of the three.  Clap
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 24 2010 at 16:26
Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:

The Fall - Hex Enduction Hour (the track Hip Priest was used on the soundtrack for Silence of the Lambs)
The Cure - Pornography or 17 Seconds
Echo & the Bunnymen - Heaven Up Here
Television - (anything and everything)
Siouxsie & the Banshees - Ju Ju and Kaleidoscope
Talking Heads - More Songs About Buildings and Food and Fear of Music (after that... Nah)
Monochrome Set - Strange Boutique and Love Zombies
Wall of Voodoo - Call of the West
The Psychedelic Furs - The Psychedelic Furs
Magazine - (anything and everything)  See!Wink
U2- October (yes, really) 
Patti Smith Group - Horses and Wave
XTC - Drums and Wires and Black Sea
Pere Ubu - The Modern Dance
The League of Gentlemen - The League of Gentlemen (with Robert Fripp)
The Teardrop Explodes - Kiliminjaro and Wilder
The Fire Engines - Lubricate Your Living Room
The Cocteau Twins - Garlands
The Simple Minds - Real to Real Cacophony
Aztec Camera - High Land Hard Rain
Orange Juice - Texas Fever (an EP with 6 tracks)

The list goes on...


 
Great list exit!  Just gets a bit too Scottish towards the end though!  LOL
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 24 2010 at 16:29
Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:


U2- October (yes, really)


All first three U2 albums are great post-punk albums. Clap


SecondedClap. My personal favourite is War, but the other two are none too shabby either.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 24 2010 at 16:31
I forgot Japan who must be the exception to the rule?
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 24 2010 at 16:35
^ I still like Duran Duran.  Embarrassed
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