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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 04 2010 at 14:24
Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

Originally posted by Drew Drew wrote:

I watched it stone sober and was absolutely bored to death  (2001) 

That's a shame since it's the best movie ever.


Also, why are movies expected just to entertain, but other works of art are allowed to explore other objectives? 

You could say the same with music.  Entertainment sells better than art I guess.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 04 2010 at 14:32
Originally posted by Drew Drew wrote:

Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

Originally posted by Drew Drew wrote:

I watched it stone sober and was absolutely bored to death  (2001) 

no wonder. your generation has been buried beneath fast-paced blockbusters. you simply can't appreciate a slow tempo. I hate molst modern movies; hardly any director takes the time to really tell a story. it is just one action scene after the other. and that bores me to death


My generation? I'm no teenager

I happen to like a lot of slower paced films, I rarely EVER like "blockbuster" movies.

I have taken two film classes, and fell in love with real films!

lol at the implication of your last statement. 
"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 04 2010 at 14:32
Originally posted by Drew Drew wrote:

Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

Originally posted by Drew Drew wrote:

I watched it stone sober and was absolutely bored to death  (2001) 

no wonder. your generation has been buried beneath fast-paced blockbusters. you simply can't appreciate a slow tempo. I hate molst modern movies; hardly any director takes the time to really tell a story. it is just one action scene after the other. and that bores me to death


My generation? I'm no teenager

I happen to like a lot of slower paced films, I rarely EVER like "blockbuster" movies.

I have taken two film classes, and fell in love with real films!

you are 30; I looked up your age before I wrote "your generation". if you have taken film classes then you should have learned that movies have to be seen in their historic context. those pictures Kubrick showed at that time were simply breathtaking, but there have been so many imitations meanwhile that one hardly realizes how great the movie is, unless you remember that this one was the first


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 04 2010 at 14:35
Don't get me wrong- I thought the visuals were outstanding given the year of production- I just felt a full hour could have been shaved from the film. 



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 04 2010 at 14:36
Not me.

To hell with movies that want to get me to learn.  When my ass hits the couch and I have a beer in my hand, I don't want to think.

If I want to learn, I'll flip over to PBS.  Sleepy




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 04 2010 at 14:42
Originally posted by Drew Drew wrote:

Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

Originally posted by Drew Drew wrote:

I watched it stone sober and was absolutely bored to death  (2001) 

no wonder. your generation has been buried beneath fast-paced blockbusters. you simply can't appreciate a slow tempo. I hate molst modern movies; hardly any director takes the time to really tell a story. it is just one action scene after the other. and that bores me to death


My generation? I'm no teenager

I happen to like a lot of slower paced films, I rarely EVER like "blockbuster" movies.

I have taken two film classes, and fell in love with real films!
I think that if dropped some acid just before the Jupiter sequence I think you might  find it a bit more interesting. Some people have been known to have done this. But I dunno. In 1968 when the film was released one critic with the LA Times simply wrote " An LSD trip without the LSD. "  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 04 2010 at 14:43
Originally posted by Drew Drew wrote:

Don't get me wrong- I thought the visuals were outstanding given the year of production- I just felt a full hour could have been shaved from the film. 
You should see what they did shave out of it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 04 2010 at 14:44
I tend to find that come awards season, that there is generally only 1 or 2 movies nominated for awards each year that really interest or interested me.  The rest tend to be movies that I have no interest in ever seeing.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 04 2010 at 14:46
@ Baldjean:
You ALWAYS do this. If someone doesn't agree with you, you must keep going because somewhere in your mind you are certain you change someone's feeling/opinion on something, no matter how solidly they feel about it.
Just give it a rest, the guy doesn't like the film. I don't understand what's so hard to understand about thatConfused
Personally, I really enjoy it, so do you, Kevin doesn't, just leave it at that.

And no, just no,  don't generalize the younger generation with the "your generation has been buried beneath fast-paced blockbusters. you simply can't appreciate a slow tempo" rant.
I'm 21 and can appreciate many "slow tempo" films. We are not ALL like how you describe.
Stop parading your opinions around like they are facts and making stupid, false assumptions/generalizations.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 04 2010 at 14:48
Originally posted by Drew Drew wrote:

Don't get me wrong- I thought the visuals were outstanding given the year of production- I just felt a full hour could have been shaved from the film. 

I would not know what to cut out. the movie can be be seen as in 4 parts:
1) the dawning of mankid
2) on the way to and on the moon
3) in space
4) inside the monolith

the first part is usually the least liked but is actually my favorite; great acting from all.
the second and third part are probaby those where you want to cut out stuff. but Kubrick wanted you to feel the journey, to experience what it is like being in space. watch the little details: the tablet with the food floating away, the phone call home to the daughter who wants a bushbaby (notice the delay in the answers; Kubrick thought of that as well, while most other space movies have the communiation happen instanly; a notable exception is "Silent Running"). if you let him take you on this journey into space then the movie is great. if not, then I agree it is boring


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 04 2010 at 14:54
Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

Originally posted by Drew Drew wrote:

Don't get me wrong- I thought the visuals were outstanding given the year of production- I just felt a full hour could have been shaved from the film. 

I would not know what to cut out. the movie can be be seen as in 4 parts:
1) the dawning of mankid
2) on the way to and on the moon
3) in space
4) inside the monolith

the first part is usually the least liked but is actually my favorite; great acting from all.
the second and third part are probaby those where you want to cut out stuff. but Kubrick wanted you to feel the journey, to experience what it is like being in space. watch the little details: the tablet with the food floating away, the phone call home to the daughter who wants a bushbaby (notice the delay in the answers; Kubrick thought of that as well, while most other space movies have the communiation happen instanly; a notable exception is "Silent Running"). if you let him take you on this journey into space then the movie is great. if not, then I agree it is boring

The one thing that annoys me about the delay was the interview that supposedly the delay was cut out, yet Dave and Frank stay in the same place. It would have been nice if there were little cuts showing them in slightly different positions/places for each question.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 04 2010 at 15:04
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 04 2010 at 15:14
I don't think Drew doesn't like 2001 because of today's generation's attention span and of a supposed incapacity to put things into perspective. Hell, people and specialists from 1969 certainly had better attention span and better view of the context, so why didn't they see it as the huge accomplishment it is? Why did they give the "Best Film" Oscar to "Oliver!" and didn't even nominate 2001 for this section. They only gave it the "Visual Effects" Oscar. IMO people of today have a better perspective of 2001; for example the people on IMDB (which represents this decade's opinion) rated 2001 with 8.4 and Oliver! with 7.6. LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 04 2010 at 15:23
Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

I don't think Drew doesn't like 2001 because of today's generation's attention span and of a supposed incapacity to put things into perspective. Hell, people and specialists from 1969 certainly had better attention span and better view of the context, so why didn't they see it as the huge accomplishment it is? Why did they give the "Best Film" Oscar to "Oliver!" and didn't even nominate 2001 for this section. They only gave it the "Visual Effects" Oscar. IMO people of today have a better perspective of 2001; for example the people on IMDB (which represents this decade's opinion) rated 2001 with 8.4 and Oliver! with 7.6. LOL

well, people who sit in award-giving commitees are often not chosen for their abilities of judgement but rather for reasons of convenience. controversial figures rarely become members of these boards. this is especially true for the academy awards commitee


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 04 2010 at 15:24
^ If I know right, the Oscars are given by representatives of the American Film Academy, but this, contrary to the appearances, doesn not necessarily contradict you LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 04 2010 at 15:58
Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

^ If I know right, the Oscars are given by representatives of the American Film Academy, but this, contrary to the appearances, doesn not necessarily contradict you LOL

that's why in my comment I did not refer to the American Film Academy but more generally to committees of that kind


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 04 2010 at 17:10
Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

I don't think Drew doesn't like 2001 because of today's generation's attention span and of a supposed incapacity to put things into perspective. Hell, people and specialists from 1969 certainly had better attention span and better view of the context, so why didn't they see it as the huge accomplishment it is? Why did they give the "Best Film" Oscar to "Oliver!" and didn't even nominate 2001 for this section. They only gave it the "Visual Effects" Oscar. IMO people of today have a better perspective of 2001; for example the people on IMDB (which represents this decade's opinion) rated 2001 with 8.4 and Oliver! with 7.6. LOL


If your saying I have a low attention span you're wring- you don't have to come across as an ass. It's a subjective conversation- I'm sure I like stuff that you find slow or uninteresting- a matter of opinion.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 04 2010 at 17:14
^ I wasn't saying that, I was implying the exact opposite, thanks for noticing LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 04 2010 at 17:16
Sorry about that- I obviously misunderstood/misread 



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 04 2010 at 17:18
I was just going along with the argumentation brought against you and trying to prove it's wrong. T'was fun. Tongue I think it's all in the taste, as you also said. 
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