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Originally posted by classicprogsovereign classicprogsovereign wrote:

And, really, I'm just kind of getting sick of their music altogether; not that any of it is bad, I've just heard it all too much!


you know, once you get tired of a band you jump to another one. I think there is enough good music around to satisfy your lust for new climates. You can also try other musical genres than prog. I for myself listen to blues, classical music, jazz, metal, punk, gothic rock, world, soul, alternative rock, hardcore, funk, folk, electronic music, pop, even some rap, so I never get tired of what I am listening to.
And trust me, prog is far from being the best musical genre in the world, it is nevertheless not really a genre per se as it draws inspiration from other established genres : classical music, psychedelic rock, folk, electronic music and hard-rock for some of them.
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Originally posted by PROGMONSTER2008 PROGMONSTER2008 wrote:

They were limited to mellow prog because they didn't have the composition capabilities or musical talent to produce jazzed up prog.

And why would you suppose "jazzed up prog" was something they were yearning to make, if only their lack of talent wasn't holding them down?

That's the idea I get from your post.
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Originally posted by PROGMONSTER2008 PROGMONSTER2008 wrote:

Floyd are 2nd or 3rd tier prog to me. They were limited to mellow prog because they didn't have the composition capabilities or musical talent to produce jazzed up prog.



Seriously?   Well, atleast we can be sure of this.
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Originally posted by Raff Raff wrote:

Originally posted by PROGMONSTER2008 PROGMONSTER2008 wrote:

Floyd are 2nd or 3rd tier prog to me. They were limited to mellow prog because they didn't have the composition capabilities or musical talent to produce jazzed up prog.


Mellow progConfused? I suppose stuff like "A Saucerful of Secrets" or "Careful With That Axe, Eugene" is mellow to you... Oh, well, everyone to their own. It's not my way to ridicule people's opinions, so I'll leave it at that, though I find your statement doesn't hold water at all.
 
almost every song in the 70's was mellow. You mentioned 60's songs ;)
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Listen to music because you like it...not because it is labeled prog or classic or pop or metal. Those are labels and are subject to debate. I doubt there is any band that starts out their career saying "we only want to play/record/write prog rock music!"
Sounds like OP is bored of PF right now.....That is easy to understand because they have been around forever and you hear them on all the classic rock stations, people talk about DSOTM all the time...its a great album, period.
Take a break and come back to them in a couple months and maybe your opinion will change.
I'm sure the same can be said about Rush, Yes, Genesis....these bands have been around forever and continue to make music......That is their challenge to create new music to keep you and new fans buying their albums....which we will.
 
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Originally posted by PROGMONSTER2008 PROGMONSTER2008 wrote:

Floyd are 2nd or 3rd tier prog to me. They were limited to mellow prog because they didn't have the composition capabilities or musical talent to produce jazzed up prog.


Mellow progConfused? I suppose stuff like "A Saucerful of Secrets" or "Careful With That Axe, Eugene" is mellow to you... Oh, well, everyone to their own. It's not my way to ridicule people's opinions, so I'll leave it at that, though I find your statement doesn't hold water at all.
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Originally posted by classicprogsovereign classicprogsovereign wrote:

Jeez, I've created a monster.
I'll remember from here on out not to post anything controversial like this.
Sorry if I got anybody angry.
 
 
 
Naaaahh!!!!....LOL
 
Don't worry about it.... you're a newbie and you're forgiven..... just don't do it againAngryWink..... or we'll have your head on a silver platterLOL
 
 
It's all a matter of taste and many progheads want to exclude Floyd, because they are not writing excessively difficult music and mebntally masturbating over their instruments, of blaming Mason for being a poor rummer (which he isn't >>> see Floyd at Pompei).but these guys are more than making up in terms of musical adventures 
 
Yes Floyd can be over-exposed in Classic Rock circles, just as are The Beatles, The Who, Zep or The Stones..... but that happens  to be because they're universal and the most universal prog groupsTongue
 
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Edited by Sean Trane - January 02 2010 at 07:07
let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
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as well as a thinker,
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I agree with just about every word in Sean Trane's post.  Saucerful of secrets, Echoes, Dogs, Us and Them, A Pillow of winds...this band has everything, a song for every mood, flavour, season and so on and so forth.  It's quite possible that one would overplay them till the point where one cannot listen to their songs anymore due to saturation but that's no fault of the band or of people who aren't tired of listening to them. Wink  Personally, Pink Floyd 's music was one of the first things I heard in my rock days and after years of mellow and placid Indian music, it broadened my horizons of what is possible in music hundredfold and they are one of the very few well known rock bands - not just prog - who can do that to you because they tried to find a musical context for every plausible sound known to man. There's darkness, sorrow, anger, beauty, hope, bitterness, desolation all in judicious doses in their songs.  I really don't know what more a band is supposed to do to impress people. Tongue  And speaking of other prog vocalists, while it's true that the general public doesn't like harsh, quirky tendencies in singing, isn't it equally true that many in the prog crowd are so hung up on inaccessibility and weirdness that they can't tell the sublime from the sappy and blindly dismiss both alike?  I like Gilmour's singing way, way more than Jon Anderson's, sorry....in fact, I don't even know what's so quirky about Jon compared to say Hammil...he's just boring, that's all...IMO!    
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the best of prog for me (perhaps). the only reason that keeps me from reviewing their albums is that it would be all 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 and maybe few 4 stars.
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And just for fun, here is the catchiest thing ever done by an extreme experimental avant raga-jazz noise band:
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But still not as catchy as these lyrics
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I agree Logan, the lines

They gut huts with gusto
Pillage villages with verve
War does what she has to
People get what they deserve

are really catchy.
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Now this is damned catchy:



As is this (but then this is popular on classic rock radio in my neck of the woods):



Another short one that I find damned catchy (but then I think a lot of GG is catchy):



Okay, I don't actually have anything to add to the discussion.
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Originally posted by classicprogsovereign classicprogsovereign wrote:

Catchiness really isn't a big concern when it comes to progressive rock music, however, am I correct?
But I suppose that's why they receive so much airplay, huh?


Is it strange I find a lot of progressive rock to be extremely catchy despite this apparent lack of concern for catchyness by the song writers?

I don't totally buy that idea that it isn't a big concern.
Maybe not the more avant garde/more out there stuff, but plenty of bands in progressive rock are still very much full of catchy moments.
Dream Theater, Pink Floyd, Yes, Meshuggah, Between the Buried and Me, as different as these bands are, I can easily find something extremely catchy in many of their songs.
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Never get tired to listen to the mighty Floyd!




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Floyd are 2nd or 3rd tier prog to me. They were limited to mellow prog because they didn't have the composition capabilities or musical talent to produce jazzed up prog. There's probably a dozen prog bands in the 70s with a better discography full of clever prog tunes. They are probably level with Led Zeppelin as prog related bands with similar amount of quality tunes although they are different styles of music, but both would be rated among the top 20 bands in history in my books
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If people want to go ga-ga over any particular band or artist it doesn't bother me in the least.  I don't get sick of Floyd because I've known them a long while and listen to them in proportion. What I get sick of are the debates as to whether or not they are prog or progressive.  Yes they are.  Give it a rest. Wink


Edited by Slartibartfast - January 01 2010 at 19:03
Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

 
You do not listen to music because it is "prog" .. you listen to it because you love it, and it drives you ... I'm sure of it!


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[... I'm not going to comment on the rest because I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about ... ]
 
I doubt that ...  so you're suggesting that you don't even know why you like Pink Floyd?
 
I can tell you that in 1972, when I was at the Hollywood Bowl listeing to Pink Floyd, I did not go there because it was "prog" ... and when I saw DSOTM at the Sports Arena, it was not because it was "prog" ... and when I saw them at the Sports Arena again ... it was not because it was "prog" ... it was to listen to a great band and some far out music ... and when I saw them at Anaheim Stadium, it was not because they were " prog" ... it was because it was great music and their concerts were far out ... although I much prefer the blow outs at the Hollywood Bowl to some of the pathetic scenes that got Roger mad at Anaheim Stadium with people fighting for a piece of the pig!
 
The point is ... that in that time, King Crimson was not prog. ELP was not prog. Genesis was a minor band ... that did not hit their wheels properly (specially in America) until "Selling England by the Pound" ...  YES did not get much attention until Roundabout became a monster FM radio hit (still not played on the AM stations btw or listed!) ...
 
There are a couple of other threads on this board that discuss the origins of the term "prog", and in general it is kind of agreed that the term took shape in the late 80's and early 90's ... and I'm ok with that ... as a way to separate the stuff we like from the "rock" bins and people can find it better and faster. But there is a lot of discussion and detail about a definition of prog ... that doesn't even fit PF ... for all intents and purposes they were a "trip" band ... and that kinda stopped with "The Wall" as it was not a trip that everyone could appreciate, but it was a diferent type of trip that ,... you and I could relate to and have lived through it many times ...
 
In other words ... the word came after the music ... it was not "prog" at the time, and no musician in his right mind will compose in "prog" mode ... it's like saying ... I'm gonna compose in the "romantic" mode to do something a la Beethoven ...
 
You do not listen to music because it is "prog" .. you listen to it because you love it, and it drives you ... I'm sure of it!
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Originally posted by classicprogsovereign classicprogsovereign wrote:

Jeez, I've created a monster.
I'll remember from here on out not to post anything controversial like this.
Sorry if I got anybody angry.


Don't worry about it
I'm not angry, and most threads end up like this anyway. Also, don't apologize for having an opinion about something.
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