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paganinio ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 07 2008 Status: Offline Points: 1327 |
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mostly these songs will have "unconventional" time signatures, and that is the ONLY difference from a normal non-prog song. These songs are annoying, especially to progheads' ears. I know one example: Neil Young / Stray Gators - "Words (Between The Lines Of Age)", sounds like a bunch of banjo-playing cowboys trying to rip off of prog. any more examples? |
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Tarquin Underspoon ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 12 2009 Location: USA Status: Offline Points: 1416 |
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The recent rock radio hit Indestructible by Disturbed uses an odd time sig. I actually, for the record, think that a good bit of Disturbed's output is quite nice, but that's neither here nor there
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jammun ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: July 14 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3449 |
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I didn't realize prog bands had exclusive license to use 'unconventional' time signatures |
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Lincoln County Road or Armageddon. |
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someone_else ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: May 02 2008 Location: Going Bananas Status: Offline Points: 24574 |
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^ I understand your doubt, but I don't think so. Neil Young is probably very sensitive to the vibes of the time. In the vintage prog year 1972, when Harvest was released, he seemed to make a move towards prog with Words (Between the Lines of Age), which had that recoccurring theme in 11/4 time signature between the verses, but a number of years later he uttered his admiration for Johnny Rotten (Hey Hey, My My) making a half-circle turn towards punk.
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jammun ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: July 14 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3449 |
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^C'mon, pedal steel in a prog song, even if it's a passing acknowledgment???
![]() Given the other songs on the album, I doubt prog was forefront in his mind. Now as for Tonight's The Night, well that's another topic.
Edit: I just listened to the song in question again, probably for the first time in five years? So he listened to other music of the time? Some of it may not be 4/4? Wha? Regardless, it ain't pseudo-prog, nor was intended to be. It's, if anything, slow old-time western-swing, with a rock beat.
Edit again (sorry I just can't stop sometimes): ya want pseudo-prog, look no further than...many bands mentioned... Edited by jammun - October 03 2009 at 19:28 |
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Soundgarden and Clutch have both done a lot of stuff in 7.
And the Toadies' "Possum Kingdom" alternates between 7 and 8 for most of the song.
And I am annoyed by none of them.
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paganinio ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 07 2008 Status: Offline Points: 1327 |
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How is Tonight's the Night prog? I like the album, reminds me of Pink Moon too. (both are dark and soft and nightly) okay, it's off-topic, so you may as well not respond to me. |
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50 Ways to Leave Your Lover by Paul Simon has always struck me as having a really weird hybrid rhythm. I (think) the drummer might have been Steve Gadd ?
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Can you tell me where we're headin'?
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You are correct. |
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When Europe released their first hit, I was calling that 'pseudo-prog' back whenever. Which begs the question is the majority of Meatloaf's Bat American prog or pseudo-prog? Clocking in over 5 minutes with a few typical prog changes, John Miles' Music Is My First Love , should be considered. And certainly that handful of teenage fans listening to my radio show in the 90's would ask whether a particular new band and a particular album was or wasn't prog, (belatedly implying pseudo prog?) for instance, Mansun or Dave Matthews Band.
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paganinio ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 07 2008 Status: Offline Points: 1327 |
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a prog-related radio show in the 90s? I thought Opie and Anthony were huge, but now I think you're huger (given the topic of your show Edited by paganinio - October 20 2009 at 12:26 |
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d.o.k ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 17 2005 Location: France Status: Offline Points: 113 |
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There is not only strange time signatures that make a song pseudo-prog, there is also songs made of really distinctive parts, 2 usually (when 3 I guessed it's becoming really prog!!).
Immediately I think of "Atomic" from Blondie.
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Negoba ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: July 24 2008 Location: Big Muddy Status: Offline Points: 5210 |
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One of the coolest beats ever in a pop song. Certainly wouldn't put under the "hate that stuff" of this thread.
And yeah, Steven Gadd.
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The Strangler's Golden Brown ... does that count?
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What?
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