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Pekka 
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 Posted: November 29 2009 at 22:26 |
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Hmm, does anyone think that prog bands that could/can write short pop songs are better?
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At least then they're prog by choice, not because they can't do anything else.
The bottom line always is, I don't care whether it's prog or not as long as I like it.
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A Person
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Posted: November 29 2009 at 22:28 |
TGM: Orb wrote:
A Person wrote:
Hmm, does anyone think that prog bands that could/can write short pop songs are better?
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Yes. At least, better than bands that just write huge unimaginative rock songs. Genuinely groundbreaking music is so rare and frequently pointless that interesting pop songs are the way to go. And besides, 'prog bands' is a complete misnomer, given that bands don't really define themselves by their style if they're all that good.
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When I refer to prog bands it is just a way to refer to the artists included on PA. And I agree, short pop songs can be just as innovative as long epics, it is just that sometimes they are not. "More Fool Me" comes to mind.
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Posted: November 29 2009 at 22:29 |
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Roblov! How is higher education treating you?
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None too shabbily, Pat. Am now sleeping from 8 in the morning til 3 in the afternoon, don't actually have too much work, but somehow still get into at least three work crises a week, my liver is curling up and weeping in a corner and I'm learning a lot about classics, which is nice. And being away from home is just fantastic, and there are a number of pretty cool people. And the libraries here are pretty awesome, and Oxford's a really, really nice town/city. No idea what I'm going to do when I'm back home in a week's time. Probably sit on PA for umpteen hours a day because noone else will be around. Anyway, life is good. How goes it chez Padrigo?
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Pekka
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Posted: November 29 2009 at 22:31 |
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"More Fool Me" comes to mind.
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I like that song, there are at least three songs on Selling England I enjoy less. But well, a song doesn't have to be innovative for me to like it.
Edited by Pekka - November 29 2009 at 22:32
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A Person
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Posted: November 29 2009 at 22:36 |
Pekka wrote:
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"More Fool Me" comes to mind.
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I like that song, there are at least three songs on Selling England I enjoy less. But well, a song doesn't have to be innovative for me to like it.
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I'm saying prog can be short pop songs too. I just don't think that particular song is prog. I'm not saying whether or not I like "More Fool Me" or any other pop songs, I do. I was just asking other people's opinions, since a lot of the "best" prog bands have written very successful pop songs.
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Posted: November 29 2009 at 22:37 |
I used to listen to More Fool Me and think it wasn't that bad. Now I realize it is boring as hell.
Yeah Rob, Oxford is a nice place. Make sure you get the sticky toffee pudding at The White Horse (it's by Blackwell's, I think), it's amazing. However, as an American I may only think that because it is foreign to me. I really wish we had Cornwall Pasties in America, they're awesome and practical.
I have a problem with liberally sprinkling pop songs into prog because I usually don't want to listen to pop songs. Maybe one day that will change.
Edited by Henry Plainview - November 29 2009 at 22:38
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if you own a sodastream i hate you
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Posted: November 29 2009 at 22:45 |
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It all depends on the music I guess. I think I'll go back to listening to the avant/free jazz station I started on Pandora after this.
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Pekka
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Posted: November 29 2009 at 22:51 |
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Three options for the train-to-school music, Blue Lambency Downward, Huuro Kolkko and A Love Supreme... The latter would be most fitting for early morning I guess, last Friday I discovered that Kind of Blue is an absolutely perfect morning album.
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Posted: November 29 2009 at 22:52 |
Henry Plainview wrote:
I used to listen to More Fool Me and think it wasn't that bad. Now I realize it is boring as hell.
Yeah Rob, Oxford is a nice place. Make sure you get the sticky toffee pudding at The White Horse (it's by Blackwell's, I think), it's amazing. However, as an American I may only think that because it is foreign to me. I really wish we had Cornwall Pasties in America, they're awesome and practical.
I have a problem with liberally sprinkling pop songs into prog because I usually don't want to listen to pop songs. Maybe one day that will change. |
Will check The White Horse out... have to admit I've only been to a few of the nearer pubs (St. Hugh's is a fifteen minute walk from the centre and alcohol/food is way harder to afford outside the college bar/hall). Cornish pasties are truly heroic. I'm basically living off those, soup and the calories in gin. I love pop songs because I'm weak-minded. My main gripe is people who presume that innovation derives from or relates to length or squeakiness. I respect Henry's hardcoreness, but anyone who thinks, say, I Know What I Like is somehow not innovative compared to Fallen Angel or something equally passable is wrong.
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Henry Plainview
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Posted: November 29 2009 at 23:08 |
Yeah, I understand how expensive eating even at pubs can be. The sticky toffee pudding was 6 pounds I think, but since I was just visiting, after a couple of bad experiences at cheap places I said screw it and accepted that eating at any place decent was going to start at 10 pounds for the freaking fish and chips, and I can eat crappy food or I can pay 10 dollars for a desert and enjoy myself. I compromised, though, by eating at Pret A Manger for breakfast and lunch mixed in with a few pasties. It seems Pret is in the US too, but I'd never seen one until I was in NYC a couple weeks ago. I actually wish I had gone to NYC before going to London, it would have made me less outraged at the prices because I think comparatively London is cheaper. And more awesome. You guys are so much better at monuments than we are.
Rob, I'm not quite as hardcore as I act because a fair amount of my current anger at repetition is from working retail, but I see your point.
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Posted: November 29 2009 at 23:12 |
Henry Plainview wrote:
Rob, I'm not quite as hardcore as I act because a fair amount of my current anger at repetition is from working retail, but I see your point. |
I think it has to do with over exposure maybe? For example, I absolutely hate pop country.
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Henry Plainview
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Posted: November 29 2009 at 23:28 |
I've always had a problem with repetition, I think I have reverse OCD, and I hated pop/hard rock before I took this job, but the endless midtempo 4/4 THUMP! THUMP! of lazy drummers make me not inclined to listen to rock.
Pop country is one of those genres that has no redeeming features. I hadn't thought of it before, but it definately belongs in the burning pile along with smooth jazz, pop-punk, and post-grunge.
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A Person
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Posted: November 29 2009 at 23:40 |
Henry Plainview wrote:
I've always had a problem with repetition, I think I have reverse OCD, and I hated pop/hard rock before I took this job, but the endless midtempo 4/4 THUMP! THUMP! of lazy drummers make me not inclined to listen to rock.
Pop country is one of those genres that has no redeeming features. I hadn't thought of it before, but it definately belongs in the burning pile along with smooth jazz, pop-punk, and post-grunge. |
I never knew how blandly commercial music could be until I had to sit through things like the CMAs(Country Music Awards). I wouldn't cry if genres like that disappeared.
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Posted: November 30 2009 at 00:01 |
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I would. I would cry profusely, TEARS OF HAPPINESS.
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Posted: November 30 2009 at 00:05 |
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I would. I would cry profusely, TEARS OF HAPPINESS.
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!!! I concur with that statement.
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Henry Plainview
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Posted: November 30 2009 at 00:07 |
If anyone's interested, there's a fantastic series of guests posts up on Destination Out right now, I hadn't heard of Francois Rabbath, but he's pretty great, and the Fantastic Merlins track blew my mind.
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Posted: November 30 2009 at 00:07 |
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Anyways, off to bed with me. I need to be to class at 8:30
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Pekka
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Posted: November 30 2009 at 06:08 |
Ahh, I don't have any responsibilities until wednesday 
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UndercoverBoy
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Posted: November 30 2009 at 07:31 |
A Person wrote:
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One band that immediately comes to mind is Gentle Giant. All of their songs are pretty short (no studio tracks exceed 10 minutes) and have catchy tunes, but the musicianship is still quite complex and innovative. I once went to this reviewer's website (forget who he's called,) and referred to Gentle Giant as "Avant-Garde Pop." I don't know how true that is, but it works for me.
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