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Snow Dog 
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 Posted: October 06 2009 at 06:44 |
 npjnpj wrote:
Maybe it's me, but I've always thought Rush to be too soft for Metal.
I get where you're coming from, but to my ears there was much more metally Prog-Metal around. |
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npjnpj
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Posted: October 06 2009 at 06:40 |
Maybe it's me, but I've always thought Rush to be too soft for Metal.
I get where you're coming from, but to my ears there was much more metally Prog-Metal around.
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Posted: October 06 2009 at 06:33 |
BaldJean wrote:
this is the first prog metal album (from 1969):
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Unfortunately it isn't metal, but this.......
Or if not, maybe....
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Posted: October 06 2009 at 06:05 |
I agree with the mention of 21st Century Schizoid Man, but that was only one song.
For me the first complete Prog-Metal album was Deep Purple in Rock (1970).
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Repner
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Posted: October 05 2009 at 22:52 |
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While it may not count for the whole album, I always thought Larks Tongues In Aspic part 1 by King Crimson was a very heavy song for it's time.
But yeah, like J-man said, I think prog gradually emerged over a period of time
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Posted: October 05 2009 at 20:52 |
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meatal
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Posted: October 05 2009 at 20:37 |
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Ya, Sabbath and Priest should count as pre- cursors to Watchtower, I'm not saying Judas Priest's was the first prog metal album.
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The bitter harvest of a barren land, I'm painting pictures you don't understand.
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The Quiet One
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Posted: October 05 2009 at 20:34 |
^if that counts, then why not this, and it was 19 73!
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meatal
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Posted: October 05 2009 at 20:30 |
There were definitely albums/bandsmentioned here as well prior to Watchtower, one such album would be "Sad Wings Of Destiny" Judas Priest, vocally for sure and some of the tracksw/progressive elements (especially for the times) like "Victim Of Changes", " Prelude", Genocide" Tyrant" ... ah!! screw it the whole thing was great. And this was 1976. 
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mithrandir
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Posted: October 05 2009 at 20:14 |
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I'd probably say Watchtower also.
A few others worth mentioning.
obscure US band called Legend had one album out called "From the Fjords" (from 1979) which was heavily influenced by Rush and NWOBHM
Manilla Road's "Mark of the Beast" (recorded in 1981) had a fairly Epic Progressive Rock dominance, more so influenced by Hawkwind "warrior on the edge of time" era me thinks....
also obscure Italian Doom Metal band Black Hole existed in the early 80s with a slew of demos and their debut album "Land of Mystery" 1985, was strongly influenced by their countries rich history in Progressive Rock, particularly Goblin, Fabio Frizzi, Libra, Metamorfosi, etc
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The Quiet One
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Posted: October 05 2009 at 20:07 |
Blacksword wrote:
I would have thought prog metal began with Sabbath or Rush. Sabotage or Caress of Steel... |
I agree, even if I'm not an expert of the topic... However, Sabbath Bloody Sabbath or 2112, while very proggish and metal it has nothing to do with the Prog Metal sound we all know. In that case I concur with Jeff and say that these bands were more Heavy Progressive than Prog Metal. This comes to mind for real Prog Metal alike: 
Edited by The Quiet One - October 05 2009 at 20:08
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J-Man
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Posted: October 05 2009 at 19:58 |
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To be honest, I don't think there is a definitive "first" prog metal album. I believe if I had to pick one, it would be Energetic Disassembly (as I mentioned earlier), but there were so many "proto-prog metal" albums leading up to that to the point where I can't pick a single "first" prog metal album. I think the first traces of prog metal go back to Rush, Black Sabbath, and Deep Purple (particularly Rush), but these were by no means prog metal bands.
What I'm trying to say is that it wasn't like one day there's no prog metal, and the next day there is, but more so a series of key albums leading up to Rage for Order and Energetic Disassembly.
-Jeff
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meatal
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Posted: October 05 2009 at 19:56 |
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Watchtower "Enegetic Disassembly"1st prog "METAL" release to clarify.
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meatal
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Posted: October 05 2009 at 19:53 |
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I agree with J-Man is definitively the first real progressive metal album. Had it back then, along side of Queensryche's "The Warning" both changed my musical listening direction in 84/85. However, also released in 1985 was Fates Warning's "The Spectre Within" which shaped a lot of the prog metal to come..
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Blacksword
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Posted: October 05 2009 at 14:28 |
J-Man wrote:
Blacksword wrote:
I would have thought prog metal began with Sabbath or Rush. Sabotage or Caress of Steel... |
I think Caress of Steel is more so of a progressive hard rock album, but they do have some hints towards prog metal. I think Permanent Waves (particularly the last song) is almost a prog metal album. |
Arguably, yes. I'm thinking more of the origins of prog metal. Permenant Waves is probably closer to what prog metal has since evolved into, but in terms of a start point, I reckon the chapter 1 Rush albums marked the beginning.
Although, I have always regarded Black Sabbaths Sabotage as a genuine original prog metal album. It has the a good combination of full on metal riffs, atmospherics and sound effects.. 
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J-Man
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Posted: October 05 2009 at 14:19 |
Blacksword wrote:
I would have thought prog metal began with Sabbath or Rush. Sabotage or Caress of Steel... |
I think Caress of Steel is more so of a progressive hard rock album, but they do have some hints towards prog metal. I think Permanent Waves (particularly the last song) is almost a prog metal album.
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Posted: October 05 2009 at 13:37 |
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Arguably, Led Zeppelin were also part of the foundation of prog metal and probably had some prog metal songs, but no full blown prog metal album.
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Blacksword
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Posted: October 05 2009 at 13:30 |
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I would have thought prog metal began with Sabbath or Rush. Sabotage or Caress of Steel...
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UMUR
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Posted: October 05 2009 at 13:23 |
rushfan4 wrote:
Watchtower are a Houston Texas band that were part of the same stable with King's X and the Galactic Cowboys, and they all played a similar style of metal with progressive leanings.
I'd concur a bit with Metallica's Ride The Lightning, as well. At least, it was the first of its kind that I ever heard, and it does pre-date the Watchtower album.
Watchtower's singer went on to perform with the Dangerous Toys, with such spectacular songs as Sportin' A Woody.  |
Hmm...I see next to no similarities between Watchtower and King´s X and Galactic Cowboys. But yeah they were part of the stable as I recall.
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Mr ProgFreak
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Posted: October 05 2009 at 13:11 |
akamaisondufromage wrote:
BaldJean wrote:
this is the first prog metal album (from 1969):
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Ha Ha ....Nice...very nice. Thanks Bald jean for the pointer 
It's on Spotify by the way if anyone cares to listen!
No real comment to make as I'm not a prog-metal afficionado! |
Spotify is nice ... as long as you live in a country where it's available. 
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