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Points: 7826 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2009 at 17:44
Originally posted by aapatsos aapatsos wrote:

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Originally posted by UMUR UMUR wrote:

Originally posted by J-Man J-Man wrote:

I respectfully disagree with that statement. Rage for Order was 1986, but 1985 had a few albums that were key in the formation of prog metal. The be honest, I don't find Rage for Order to even be that progressive. My vote goes for Watchtower's Energetic Disassembly.



This 1985 album was the first prog metal album ever IMO. It contained complexity and variety, and it is certainly not the type of metal you just bang your head to. I think Queensryche played a key role in the formation of prog metal, but this is the first actual prog metal album.

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I fully agree with Jeff here. I saw the headline of the thread and instantly thought of this album.
That makes 3 of us then, and well put Jeff.
That makes 4 of us now Jeff... LOLLOLLOLLOLLOL

I completely forgot Watchtower's debut, shame on me... I always thought Energetic Disasasembly was released in 1986 but that's utterly wrong...Embarrassed

Indeed a worth-listening album which has not received the proper attention if you ask me


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Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

wasnt the first prog metal SONG King Crimson's "21st Century Schizoid Man"? (1969). i would call it that.

You make a compelling argument!  Fripp's distorted chords certainly raised the bar for later metal. 

I was thinking of Captain Beyond and their first LP, but nobody has mentioned them yet....Iron Butterfly with Ryno Reinhardt and Lee Dorman certainly had a progressive metal quality also.  

Good topic, thanks!
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Originally posted by J-Man J-Man wrote:

Originally posted by aapatsos aapatsos wrote:

Originally posted by sleeper sleeper wrote:

Originally posted by UMUR UMUR wrote:

Originally posted by J-Man J-Man wrote:

I respectfully disagree with that statement. Rage for Order was 1986, but 1985 had a few albums that were key in the formation of prog metal. The be honest, I don't find Rage for Order to even be that progressive. My vote goes for Watchtower's Energetic Disassembly.



This 1985 album was the first prog metal album ever IMO. It contained complexity and variety, and it is certainly not the type of metal you just bang your head to. I think Queensryche played a key role in the formation of prog metal, but this is the first actual prog metal album.

-Jeff
 
I fully agree with Jeff here. I saw the headline of the thread and instantly thought of this album.
That makes 3 of us then, and well put Jeff.
That makes 4 of us now Jeff... LOLLOLLOLLOLLOL

I completely forgot Watchtower's debut, shame on me... I always thought Energetic Disasasembly was released in 1986 but that's utterly wrong...Embarrassed

Indeed a worth-listening album which has not received the proper attention if you ask me


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I concur also. f**king great album as well.
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Watchtower are a Houston Texas band that were part of the same stable with King's X and the Galactic Cowboys, and they all played a similar style of metal with progressive leanings. 
 
I'd concur a bit with Metallica's Ride The Lightning, as well.  At least, it was the first of its kind that I ever heard, and it does pre-date the Watchtower album.
 
Watchtower's singer went on to perform with the Dangerous Toys, with such spectacular songs as Sportin' A Woody. LOL
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Originally posted by akamaisondufromage akamaisondufromage wrote:

Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

this is the first prog metal album (from 1969):

 
Ha Ha ....Nice...very nice.  Thanks Bald jean for the pointerBig smile
 
It's on Spotify by the way if anyone cares to listen!
 
No real comment to make as I'm not a prog-metal afficionado! 


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Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

Watchtower are a Houston Texas band that were part of the same stable with King's X and the Galactic Cowboys, and they all played a similar style of metal with progressive leanings. 
 
I'd concur a bit with Metallica's Ride The Lightning, as well.  At least, it was the first of its kind that I ever heard, and it does pre-date the Watchtower album.
 
Watchtower's singer went on to perform with the Dangerous Toys, with such spectacular songs as Sportin' A Woody. LOL
 
Hmm...I see next to no similarities between Watchtower and King´s X and Galactic Cowboys. But yeah they were part of the stable as I recall.
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I would have thought prog metal began with Sabbath or Rush. Sabotage or Caress of Steel...
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Arguably, Led Zeppelin were also part of the foundation of prog metal and probably had some prog metal songs, but no full blown prog metal album.
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Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

I would have thought prog metal began with Sabbath or Rush. Sabotage or Caress of Steel...


I think Caress of Steel is more so of a progressive hard rock album, but they do have some hints towards prog metal. I think Permanent Waves (particularly the last song) is almost a prog metal album.

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Originally posted by J-Man J-Man wrote:


Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

I would have thought prog metal began with Sabbath or Rush. Sabotage or Caress of Steel...
I think Caress of Steel is more so of a progressive hard rock album, but they do have some hints towards prog metal. I think Permanent Waves (particularly the last song) is almost a prog metal album.


Arguably, yes. I'm thinking more of the origins of prog metal. Permenant Waves is probably closer to what prog metal has since evolved into, but in terms of a start point, I reckon the chapter 1 Rush albums marked the beginning.

Although, I have always regarded Black Sabbaths Sabotage as a genuine original prog metal album. It has the a good combination of full on metal riffs, atmospherics and sound effects..
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I agree with J-Man is definitively the first real progressive metal album. Had it back then, along side of Queensryche's "The Warning" both changed my musical listening direction in  84/85.  However, also released in 1985 was Fates Warning's "The Spectre Within" which shaped a lot of the prog metal to come..
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Watchtower "Enegetic Disassembly"1st prog "METAL" release to clarify.
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Points: 7826 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 05 2009 at 19:58
To be honest, I don't think there is a definitive "first" prog metal album. I believe if I had to pick one, it would be Energetic Disassembly (as I mentioned earlier), but there were so many "proto-prog metal" albums leading up to that to the point where I can't pick a single "first" prog metal album. I think the first traces of prog metal go back to Rush, Black Sabbath, and Deep Purple (particularly Rush), but these were by no means prog metal bands.

What I'm trying to say is that it wasn't like one day there's no prog metal, and the next day there is, but more so a series of key albums leading up to Rage for Order and Energetic Disassembly.

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Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

I would have thought prog metal began with Sabbath or Rush. Sabotage or Caress of Steel...


I agree, even if I'm not an expert of the topic...

However, Sabbath Bloody Sabbath or 2112, while very proggish and metal it has nothing to do with the Prog Metal sound we all know. In that case I concur with Jeff and say that these bands were more Heavy Progressive than Prog Metal.

This comes to mind for real Prog Metal alike:



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I'd probably say Watchtower also.

A few others worth mentioning. 

obscure US band called Legend had one album out called "From the Fjords" (from 1979) which was heavily influenced by Rush and NWOBHM

Manilla Road's "Mark of the Beast" (recorded in 1981) had a fairly Epic Progressive Rock dominance, more so influenced by Hawkwind "warrior on the edge of time" era me thinks....

also obscure Italian Doom Metal band Black Hole existed in the early 80s with a slew of demos and their debut album "Land of Mystery" 1985,  was strongly influenced by their countries rich history in Progressive Rock, particularly Goblin,  Fabio Frizzi, Libra, Metamorfosi, etc
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Points: 94 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 05 2009 at 20:30
There were definitely albums/bandsmentioned here as well prior to Watchtower, one such album would be "Sad Wings Of Destiny" Judas Priest, vocally  for sure and some of the tracksw/progressive elements (especially for the times)  like "Victim Of Changes", " Prelude", Genocide" Tyrant" ... ah!! screw it the whole thing was great. And this was 1976.
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Points: 15745 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 05 2009 at 20:34
^if that counts, then why not this, and it was 1973!
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Points: 94 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 05 2009 at 20:37
Ya, Sabbath and Priest should count as pre- cursors to Watchtower, I'm not saying Judas Priest's was the first prog metal album.
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