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AtomicCrimsonRush
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Posted: September 29 2009 at 21:22 |
Is the new album as good as Deadwing or In Absentia? (which were perfect albums IMHO.)
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Mr ProgFreak
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Posted: September 29 2009 at 08:08 |
^ so, what's wrong with that? So do the lyrics on The Incident, even though the common theme is a bit more generic (Incidents that have a huge impact on individuals - often involving death and loss).
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progkidjoel
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Posted: September 29 2009 at 07:37 |
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Mr ProgFreak
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Posted: September 29 2009 at 07:36 |
progkidjoel wrote:
Mr ProgFreak wrote:
I think that the metal element provides a really nice counterpoint to the calmer parts ... the problem is how to integrate these elements organically, and IMO this was nicely done on The Incident.
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I agree, but I'd like to add that this album seemed to have alot less focus - Most other PT albums focus on one area of music... Lightbulb Sun is mostly acoustic, Fear Of A Blank Planet carried the same lyrical (and musical) style the whole way through, but The Incident seems undecided on its stylistic content and flow... |
To me it's not undecided at all ... there's simply a high stylistical bandwidth on the album. But that's something that PT have often done ... consider Stupid Dream and In Absentia for example. The latter features a different style for each song ...
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Dean
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Posted: September 29 2009 at 06:37 |
progkidjoel wrote:
Mr ProgFreak wrote:
I think that the metal element provides a really nice counterpoint to the calmer parts ... the problem is how to integrate these elements organically, and IMO this was nicely done on The Incident.
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I agree, but I'd like to add that this album seemed to have alot less focus - Most other PT albums focus on one area of music... Lightbulb Sun is mostly acoustic, Fear Of A Blank Planet carried the same lyrical (and musical) style the whole way through, but The Incident seems undecided on its stylistic content and flow... |
While I can see where you are coming from, I disagree with the conclusion, although classified as a 55 minute piece, it is a seamless flow of separate songs that have an underlying cohesion of style (namely - the Porcupine Tree "sound" that began on Signify and developed through Stupid Dream and Lightbulb Sun and picked up again in Fear Of A blank Planet), the textures (and counterpoint that Mike mentioned) punctuate and emphasis the mood-swings of the sub-texts of album (ie the individual stories that make up the whole). This is a technique used to extreme by bands like Gentle Giant and Van der Graaf Generator, and with a little more subtlety by King Crimson and perhaps Pink Floyd (at times, maybe - they so tend to be hit and miss it is debatable whether that is by design or accident).
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progkidjoel
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Posted: September 29 2009 at 06:22 |
Mr ProgFreak wrote:
I think that the metal element provides a really nice counterpoint to the calmer parts ... the problem is how to integrate these elements organically, and IMO this was nicely done on The Incident.
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I agree, but I'd like to add that this album seemed to have alot less focus - Most other PT albums focus on one area of music... Lightbulb Sun is mostly acoustic, Fear Of A Blank Planet carried the same lyrical (and musical) style the whole way through, but The Incident seems undecided on its stylistic content and flow...
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Mr ProgFreak
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Posted: September 29 2009 at 06:18 |
I think that the metal element provides a really nice counterpoint to the calmer parts ... the problem is how to integrate these elements organically, and IMO this was nicely done on The Incident.
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squonkuk
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Posted: September 29 2009 at 06:13 |
Dean wrote:
As I said in another thread far far away, I think the post "Opeth" effect (ie the metal contingent) is far more restrained on this album, it's still there but not as prominent as it was, it's now just another dab of texture on Wilson's sonic pallette rather than being one of the defining styles. |
Totally agree, but you put it far better than I did  I'm still waiting for Wilson's Abba fixation to have an effect on PT...
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Dean
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Posted: September 29 2009 at 06:07 |
...as I am neither a knucklehead nor a moron, it cannot possibly apply to me
As I said in another thread far far away, I think the post "Opeth" effect (ie the metal contingent) is far more restrained on this album, it's still there but not as prominent as it was, it's now just another dab of texture on Wilson's sonic pallette rather than being one of the defining styles.
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squonkuk
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Posted: September 29 2009 at 06:05 |
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^ Thats interesting! I thought that there was a fair amount of metal in this album. |
I wasn't aware that the definition of metal now was any record that has a guitar in it?  If there's a lot of metal in this album then it's the first time Wilson has successfully blended it together with his good stuff so that people like me don't realise it!
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Starless
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Posted: September 29 2009 at 06:01 |
"...knuckleheads and morons" OUCH! That'll get 'em hammering away at the keyboards in a frenzy of righteous indignation. Bring it on!
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Mr ProgFreak
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Posted: September 29 2009 at 05:49 |
squonkuk wrote:
lets hope his flirtation with metal has passed; it tends to only appeal to knuckleheads and morons!
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Yeah, let's.
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valravennz
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Posted: September 29 2009 at 04:18 |
^ Thats interesting! I thought that there was a fair amount of metal in this album - in fact more than any other PT album. Imo the metal content has increased over the last few recordings. If you have not heard anything prior to FOABP then I think you may need to, so as to understand the comparison.
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squonkuk
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Posted: September 29 2009 at 04:09 |
Personally, I think it's the best prog album for 10 years. This album encapsulates just what PT are for me and if it isn't heavy enough for the prog metalists, then I'm sure some Swede growling into a microphone over the next 6 months will go some way to assuage the pain of this 'disappointment'  I expect all of the people who didn't like it to still attend the shows, preventing people who do like it and can't get tickets to miss out. The 55-minute track filled me with trepidation; I remember wondering if Anaesthetise was going to be this 'monster' of a track prior to FOABP coming out and it turned out to be a mish-mash, a real nadir in PT's career. So The Incident worried me. I'm glad, because it blew me away. It has been on constant rotation since prior to its official release - I'm listening to it now and smiling at the Animals era Floyd homage - and I think Steven Wilson has finally realised that his band's future lies in producing this type of record; lets hope his flirtation with metal has passed; it tends to only appeal to knuckleheads and morons!
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topofsm
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Posted: September 28 2009 at 18:33 |
Petrovsk Mizinski wrote:
I'm with Teo on this one. I listened to it more than once, each next time thinking "YES, IT'S GONNA GET BETTER, IT WILL, WILL!" but it was just suckage from start to end each time. It just left me feeling cold and uninspired at absolute best.
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I agree. I really think they are a bunch of standard songs, there's nothing that really impresses me. The songs flow into each other, but that doesn't really mean anything.
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Jakedeez
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Posted: September 27 2009 at 16:35 |
Im enjoying it.
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Petrovsk Mizinski
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Posted: September 26 2009 at 07:23 |
I'm with Teo on this one. I listened to it more than once, each next time thinking "YES, IT'S GONNA GET BETTER, IT WILL, WILL!" but it was just suckage from start to end each time. It just left me feeling cold and uninspired at absolute best.
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Blacksword
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Posted: September 26 2009 at 07:04 |
Good to see Porcupine Tree being taken seriously by the beeb. Thanks for the link Snow Dog.
I'm giving this album a daily spin, and I'm liking it more with each listen. After releasing a number of extremly good albums in a row, The Incident had a lot to live up to. I think the band have risen to that challenge brilliantly. I look forward to them touring. I wont miss out this time!!
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The Sleepwalker
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Posted: September 26 2009 at 03:50 |
Quoted from the official Porcupine Tree site: "Meanwhile The Incident continues to appeal to fans both old and new - especially new. In Norway it entered the album chart at #19 whereas FOABP entered at #34. Finland had the album arriving at #11. In France, The Incident achieved the highest chart position ever for the band, coming in at #35, and in Poland it went in at #36. In the Netherlands, the first week position of FOABP had been #13 but The Incident charted at #5!"
So, The Incident seems pretty succesful, #5 in The Netherlands is really good. This shows that more people are interested in Porcupine Tree that ever before, and that's a good thing I think. One could also use the argument that Porcupine Tree is going mainstream, but I think that's just nonsense. They have created some albums that are more accesible than the psychedelic soundscapes of early PT, but they still are an unique and very ambitious band.
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micky
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Posted: September 24 2009 at 18:36 |
hahha... yeah... if I had mastered that talent I wouldn't have sat through an entire New Kids on the Block concert ...followed a week later by George Michael. They at least put on a good show hahaha.
no wait... I did fall asleep during the GM concert ( I forgot a book).. so I guess I can't say he was better than DT.
and I did have purely x-rated reasons for staying up for the NKotB.. so I guess that isn't a fair comparison...
anyway you are too kind Raff....we are old farts... but we walked out because the show stunk.. and we had seen the musical headliner one group earlier...
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