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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 14 2009 at 18:19
I have this to say about relationships:

I really cannot be bothered anymore. That said, if the right woman comes along and I'm in full confidence, then I won't let her slip through my fingers. But I have spent too much time and money on women that I have to to chase after because another man's in the equation. I have better things to worry about. I've broke up one too many times (for one reason or another) and my heart is in bits, so I simply trust a relationship anymore.

You're still young dude, and you're in the USA. BE something. Work hard, because no doubt by the time you reach 30 you'll be f**ked (in laman's terms) and there is no turning back. And who says you can't have fun with women without being in a "relationship" with them? Looking back now I find the whole term ridiculous. If you love a women, you love a women. End of.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 14 2009 at 18:33
I have a problem I've just uncovered in the past few weeks. It could be that I scuttled a relationship for good and practical reasons (she "needs" to be in relationships, I felt little of a connection) or it may seem like I genuinely don't know what others expect out of a relationship with me. I feel I don't know what to say to fill in the silence. I don't really feel too upset about it, but I hope the answer becomes clearer sooner or later. I definitely don't want to give the impression "Teh women are confusing and emotional I can't relate :(" I think that's crap and I'm not sure if this is an appropriate place to air concerns like that. But I may be more concerned with not treating the forum as group therapy. It makes proggers look like a lonely, pathetic bunch. True or otherwise, let's at least give them the illusion of that not being the case. Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 14 2009 at 20:56
Originally posted by The Pessimist The Pessimist wrote:

I have this to say about relationships:

I really cannot be bothered anymore. That said, if the right woman comes along and I'm in full confidence, then I won't let her slip through my fingers. But I have spent too much time and money on women that I have to to chase after because another man's in the equation. I have better things to worry about. I've broke up one too many times (for one reason or another) and my heart is in bits, so I simply trust a relationship anymore.

You're still young dude, and you're in the USA. BE something. Work hard, because no doubt by the time you reach 30 you'll be f**ked (in laman's terms) and there is no turning back. And who says you can't have fun with women without being in a "relationship" with them? Looking back now I find the whole term ridiculous. If you love a women, you love a women. End of.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 14 2009 at 23:32
Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

I have a problem I've just uncovered in the past few weeks. It could be that I scuttled a relationship for good and practical reasons (she "needs" to be in relationships, I felt little of a connection) or it may seem like I genuinely don't know what others expect out of a relationship with me. I feel I don't know what to say to fill in the silence. I don't really feel too upset about it, but I hope the answer becomes clearer sooner or later. I definitely don't want to give the impression "Teh women are confusing and emotional I can't relate :(" I think that's crap and I'm not sure if this is an appropriate place to air concerns like that. But I may be more concerned with not treating the forum as group therapy. It makes proggers look like a lonely, pathetic bunch. True or otherwise, let's at least give them the illusion of that not being the case. Wink
I hate girl threads SO MUCH. Also, have you guys with teh epic problems considered that perhaps you are the one with the problem? Just saying, nobody ever seems to be willing to admit personal flaws...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 15 2009 at 00:00
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 15 2009 at 02:39
Hm.
Hm, hmm.

I've been in number of relationships (including two 5+ years long ones) , and they were all turbulent to a degree.

I'm currently in a sort-of-relationship for almost a year, and it's kinda diluted (not with the feelings, but with the intensity - we're seeing each other less than once a week).

I'm 33, and sometimes I'm feeling like life is passing my by while the string of female names is getting longer.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 15 2009 at 05:07
Originally posted by toolis toolis wrote:


well, i'm not alone in my life, but - trust me - i've had my share of dry spell, alright!!!

some points: i don't believe in friendship between man and woman, at least i wouldn't call it a friendship...

second of all, there's not a perfect match..

people may spend their entire lives and never get to know their more suitable match and others find it - and keep it - since childhood.. i have examples for both circumstances...

women are a different species who came from Mars to mate and then destroy human (man) race... that's a joke....

   love is life.. cliche as it sounds, it's true... hurt is also life... sad but true....

   whatever conclusio you may come to, don't give up.. go out there, love and be loved, get hurt, don't hurt, LIVE!!!!

   ok, that's about it....


Wise words, too much prog? Joking, you really inspired me.
 
And yeah, I want to have a relationship, and yes I have my eyes set onsomeone, but I don't know how to tell her I love her.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 15 2009 at 06:03

This is probably a bit of a downer, but my take on relationships in life is: Have relationships (even serious ones), but whatever you do, don't get married and have a family, because that's when life gets you by the balls with no hope of escape.

 

Everything that comes after that is focused on having to eat dirt from a..holes for the rest of your life for fear of not being able to support your family properly any more.  Been in that vicious situation for almost twenty years now. Well I suppose you can always win the lottery, then things are rosy.

 

Personally, I have always gotten on much better with women than men, I find the normal everyday macho guy thing pretty repulsive, but woman are more easy going on a one-to-one basis, provided the relationship hooks don't sink in too deep and the possession thing kicks in.

 

I'm not a loner, I especially enjoy feminine company, but with no sexual undercurrent, and contrary to a lot of things said about this, it works fine.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 15 2009 at 07:05
"I find the normal everyday macho guy thing pretty repulsive"
Just like me lol.
I may listen to a lot of metal, but really I'm a f**king pussy and I'm extremely open about my emotions with my females friends while my other male friends keep them hidden away because it's "MOAR METUL TO NOT TELL ANYONE HOW YOU FEEL OR SHOW YOUR EMOTIONS".

But yeah, as it is, I regularly go through phases of being extroverted and other times just totally shying away from other people as much as possible.
Yeah in a way that's cool, because it means I can listen to sh*t loads of music/read heaps of stuff in a given day if I feel like it, but I seriously doubt I could say in 10 years time that creature comforts would be enough to keep me sane. Someone once told me creature comforts simply aren't a substitute for love and I reckon they're right.
I couldn't picture myself being 30 years older and being alone and just listening to music all day after work or reading, I'd probably kill myself.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 15 2009 at 07:34
Originally posted by mystic fred mystic fred wrote:

Women are fickle creatures, they love novelty, are never satisfied and are always searching for perfection and will stab you in the back at the earliest opportunity - unfortunately i still love women and have many casual friends but will not "step over the line" again in a hurry.  I'm glad i'm a bloke, i am happy and settled now i'm celibate and free after being trapped many a nightmare situation - i wouldn't swap that for a million pounds Tongue
 

...ok  i'll have the million pounds ..Ermm

 

 




When you guys make broad statements about women that aren't even remotely true, it says more about you and your experience (or lack of) than anything else.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 15 2009 at 07:37
 
only joking folksWink
 
yes it was only a wind up Hug
 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 15 2009 at 13:10

Don't ever try it online. Try it face to face. I know, it's a hard thing to do, I've not had the courage yet to perform this action. But I can tell you a negative online experience: a friend of mine started a "relationship" with his classmate on Windows Live Messenger. Next day, the two didn't say a word to each other in the school.

I know this isn't your main problem, but anyway, I find it very important.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 15 2009 at 13:34

I was alone a long time (been with the same woman 13 years now) and alot of it had to do with two things: my own anxiety and just thinking about it too much, and aiming for the wrong kind of woman.

A LOT of guys shoot for women that are wrong for them....different interests, out of their league looks-wise. They get infatuated with someone based on their own perceptions and don't spend the time to tune in a learn about the person across from them.
 
Things changed for me when I started paying attention to the real people right in front of me and less about the fantasies of what I thought was supposed to happen.
 
 
 
Of course, all of this pretty much applies to women too. There are millions of places where women discuss "Why can't I find a good man," it's just not on a prog message board.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 15 2009 at 13:37
I can't stop hearing Zappa singing THE song for this thread.
Oh, before I leave :
http://whywomenhatemen.blogspot.com/

Check it to understand a few things.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 15 2009 at 13:42
Meh, I spent all high school and the first half of college just terribly upset that I never got to be in any sort of relationship. At some point, though, I grew up a little bit and got a lot less self-obsessed. I haven't lived too large a portion of my life (barring some sort of early death, but you get what I mean), but I have seen a lot of people drive away significant others simply because they treated them like a means to feeling better about themselves or getting laid. Being in a relationship is a wonderful thing because it gives you a good chance to not sit there and focus entirely on yourself all the time.

As a side note, you know all those people talking about needing to find themselves, the real people they pretend to think they can't find? I found the real me at apparently a really early age... and let me tell you this, the real me is pretty annoying. Kind of tired of him. Anyways.

There's a poem out there called something like the Ode to Nice Girls. Give it a read. Guys tend to shoot for specific types of girls that really don't work for them. At least in high school and college and just out of college in America, they do. I used to get all hung up on girls who were really outspoken, often tomboyish, etc. But when I stopped to pay attention, it turned out that one quiet, sweet girl rocked my world way more than any of the random crushes I ever had could.

And I can't wait to be married, have kids, and be stuck in a routine of difficult life. Because it's not all about me. I'd love to have to sacrifice my dignity for my family. It's a lesson I really need to learn, anyways.


And apparently I type a bit too slowly, because Negoba beat me to most of the things I tried to say. Huh.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 15 2009 at 14:12
Originally posted by Negoba Negoba wrote:

Of course, all of this pretty much applies to women too. There are millions of places where women discuss "Why can't I find a good man," it's just not on a prog message board.
Exactly, perhaps the problem is that we're not good men. ;-)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 15 2009 at 14:13
Relationships?  No thanks, I'm trying to cut down. Tongue
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 15 2009 at 14:28
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 15 2009 at 14:29
Chandler (Friends):

"And I'd like to believe that when the right woman comes along, you will have the courage and the guts to say, 'No thanks, I'm married!!!"
-music is like pornography...

sometimes amateurs turn us on, even more...



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 15 2009 at 15:19
This is my deal and it's just a different concept, but it's good to be aware of it. that is, if you are not already. In my youth I met some pretty interesting ladies. Ladies that expressed an abundance of common interest with me. A woman that listens to King Crimson's Lizard every week. A woman that reads and writes poetry. A woman that wants to be romantic. A woman that wants to take you to a jazz show. It's all really impressive to me. Let us say for example that the jazz show ended late on a Saturday night. She drives back home alone but does not answer the phone the next day. Why? Because she is now taking a beer drinkin", hoot and yellin' loud mouth guy to a rock concert. This is a typical double standard psychological concept that I experienced with women in the 70's and 80's. Lets skip through all my B.S. and sum the problem by stating that one must never get too excited over common interests in a relationship. It happens all the time. SEXUAL PROMISCUITY. It happens in the numbers.
As it turns out, the girl that runs to the store to buy cold medicine when your sick, or is willing to have a serious relationship, has opposite taste in music, movies, etc; All this hype for years about sharing a common interest does not always walk in hand with having a healthy relationship.
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