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Topic: Relationships anyone?
Posted By: StrengthandWisdom
Subject: Relationships anyone?
Date Posted: September 14 2009 at 15:07
I really don't understand a damn thing about relationships. I can kind of understand why someone would be single for their entire life without even knowing why their last relationship ended.

The thing is, I've been with a lot of females(serious friendships or actual relationships). I guess you kind of have to accept that they will just suddenly end for some scientifically unknown reason.

Just recently, I had this girl I've been pursuing for 4 months, just suddenly end it because she thinks I"m too pessimistic, and she doesn't even want to talk or be friends anymore after WANTING to talk all week, except I've been busy with schoolwork.

Another situation, there's this friend of mine who I messaged on facebook saying I wanted to know her more, and she seemed to accept it. Plus, it seemed like she liked me at one time. I was wanting to talk to her all weekend, but I knew she was away. I left a post on her wall, being in a casual sense "Hey! How was the sleep over?" since she was away at a sleep over of her entire soccer team.

When I came home from band practice last night, I noticed that she deleted my wall post, and seems to be just ignoring me now. I mean wtf gives!?!?!? It made me freak out a little when I saw that she deleted the post.

Last year I had my most serious friendship I've ever had, and she suddenly stopped talking to me because of events going on in her life, and then all her friends got really weird about it too, while in the meantime I was freaking out over the whole thing. I mean, she was the best girl I've ever had, and it just suddenly ended in a disaster for no explainable reason. Seriously, f**k that.

If anyone else is spending their life alone, discuss it here, I'm sure we'll connect.



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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: September 14 2009 at 15:16
How old are you anyway?  I could give you some sage advice that you might or might not find useful.  I spent a significant chunk of younger years alone and have now spent a slightly more significant period in two different steady relationships...


Posted By: toolis
Date Posted: September 14 2009 at 15:16

well, i'm not alone in my life, but - trust me - i've had my share of dry spell, alright!!!

some points: i don't believe in friendship between man and woman, at least i wouldn't call it a friendship...

second of all, there's not a perfect match..

people may spend their entire lives and never get to know their more suitable match and others find it - and keep it - since childhood.. i have examples for both circumstances...

women are a different species who came from Mars to mate and then destroy human (man) race... that's a joke....

   love is life.. cliche as it sounds, it's true... hurt is also life... sad but true....

   whatever conclusio you may come to, don't give up.. go out there, love and be loved, get hurt, don't hurt, LIVE!!!!

   ok, that's about it....




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Posted By: StrengthandWisdom
Date Posted: September 14 2009 at 15:24
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

How old are you anyway?  I could give you some sage advice that you might or might not find useful.  I spent a significant chunk of younger years alone and have now spent a slightly more significant period in two different steady relationships...


I'm 18 years old, turning 19 in 3 months.


Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: September 14 2009 at 15:48
Originally posted by StrengthandWisdom StrengthandWisdom wrote:

Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

How old are you anyway?  I could give you some sage advice that you might or might not find useful.  I spent a significant chunk of younger years alone and have now spent a slightly more significant period in two different steady relationships...


I'm 18 years old, turning 19 in 3 months.

When I was 18 I was painfully shy.  My first long term relationship didn't happen until late 20's. 

My sage advice, there are more opportunities and avenues to meet partners out there than ever before.  If things don't click but you think there is potential, a little persistence is needed but move on and don't become a stalker if it's looking like a dead end.  (I'm beginning to feel a little like dear Abbey here).  I'm thinking coupling is natural for human beings.  It's really nice to have the support in life.  But you can find happiness in a solitary state, too. 

As to toolis' points, I think friendship is the foundation of a solid relationship, maybe we are just having a difference in terminology.  There is no perfect match, don't let the ideal of the perfect become the enemy of the very good.  My formula for success was to get to know one another extremely well before engaging in any serious commitments.


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Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: September 14 2009 at 15:52
When reading the title of the thread, I first thought you were offering a relationship... 


Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: September 14 2009 at 16:11
When I was 18 I thought you just had to treat them nicely and they'd appreciate it. How wrong I was..

SERIOUSLY, do not be pessimistic around women (if indeed you really are). I'm no authority, but women like their men to be positive, spotaneous and upbeat. It's the womens perogative to be moody..not yours...

Also, if you are a naturally negative person - and I'm not saying you are - but IF you are, women will detect this, even if you make an effort to 'seem' positive. I guess it's about being confident with who you are.


Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: September 14 2009 at 16:19
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:



My sage advice, there are more opportunities and avenues to meet partners out there than ever before.  If things don't click but you think there is potential, a little persistence is needed but move on and don't become a stalker if it's looking like a dead end.  (I'm beginning to feel a little like dear Abbey here).  I'm thinking coupling is natural for human beings.  It's really nice to have the support in life.  But you can find happiness in a solitary state, too. 

As to toolis' points, I think friendship is the foundation of a solid relationship, maybe we are just having a difference in terminology.  There is no perfect match, don't let the ideal of the perfect become the enemy of the very good.  My formula for success was to get to know one another extremely well before engaging in any serious commitments.


DittoClap. We have a saying in Italy that goes, better to be alone than in bad company, and until the summer of 2006 that was my gospel. However, luckily I had not become completely jaded to the possibility of finding my other half (though I believed so)... and the rest is history (PA history tooLOL!). That said, being in a bad relationship is much, much worse than being alone - so many people ruin their lives for fear of being on their own.

I also endorse your idea of perfection as the enemy of the very good. We are imperfect ourselves, so we shouldn't expect our partner to be a 100% perfect fit. Especially when living together, any differences in personality will surface very soon - the trick is not letting them become roadblocks, and convince yourself that you just can't get along.


Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: September 14 2009 at 16:26
The wise sage Jon Anderson (or was it Trevor Rabin) once sang "Owner of a lonely heart, much better than the owner of a broken heart". Wink

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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: September 14 2009 at 16:43
Originally posted by toolis toolis wrote:


some points: i don't believe in friendship between man and woman, at least i wouldn't call it a friendship...
I have been told (or heard it said... one or the other) that friendships between people of the opposite sex never work ... you may start out as friends, and then something happens that appears innocent at the time and one of you will realise that a line has been crossed - from then on the friendship is over - you're either in a relationship or you go your separate ways. That's biology, chemistry and preservation of the species - nothing you can do about it.
 
I'm sure there are exceptions to that - but in my 35+ years of friendships and relationships, I haven't found one yet.
 
However, when a relationship becomes a friendship as well - that's something else. Approve
Originally posted by toolis toolis wrote:


second of all, there's not a perfect match..
There probably isn't, but I actually think that would be the nightmare scenario - it would be dull and predictable.


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Posted By: SaltyJon
Date Posted: September 14 2009 at 16:48
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:


Originally posted by toolis toolis wrote:


second of all, there's not a perfect match..
There probably isn't, but I actually think that would be the nightmare scenario - it would be dull and predictable.


Ah, but what if someone's definition of a perfect match is someone unpredictable and exciting?  How would that be dull and predictable? Tongue


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Posted By: Luca Pacchiarini
Date Posted: September 14 2009 at 16:49
I started a similar thread some weeks ago, the moderators could merge them if they wish


Posted By: el dingo
Date Posted: September 14 2009 at 16:51
Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

The wise sage Jon Anderson (or was it Trevor Rabin) once sang "Owner of a lonely heart, much better than the owner of a broken heart". Wink
 
 
Yeah sure but didn't Shakespeare say 'Tis better to have loved and lost then never to have loved at all'?


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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: September 14 2009 at 17:15
Originally posted by SaltyJon SaltyJon wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:


Originally posted by toolis toolis wrote:


second of all, there's not a perfect match..
There probably isn't, but I actually think that would be the nightmare scenario - it would be dull and predictable.


Ah, but what if someone's definition of a perfect match is someone unpredictable and exciting?  How would that be dull and predictable? Tongue
Ah, yes, but how would it be for the other person in the relationship? Wink


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Posted By: SaltyJon
Date Posted: September 14 2009 at 17:29
It depends, if it's a perfect match then they'll get whatever they want from you.  For all I know, the other person might want someone unpredictable and exciting too, then it'd be unpredictable and exciting for each of the involved parties. 

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Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: September 14 2009 at 17:45
Relationships do require a lot of erm...maintenance and I Iived blissfully alone until I was in my mid 30's (I'm 47 now) Some of my younger pals in their 20's do tell me however that it's a very different dating world out there now with one having cause to recently remark:

They don't even stick around for the dessert these days 

I've always harboured the thought that both parties want two mutually exclusive things i.e. security and excitement - Is this achievable ?

Time to mow the lawn (dressed as Darth Vader)


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Posted By: StrengthandWisdom
Date Posted: September 14 2009 at 18:00
The problem I have is, it seems that its wrong to show interest in someone.

Every time I have done so, they always use weird/odd ways to show they aren't interested or for some reason hate you.

I feel like its a painful cycle.


Posted By: tszirmay
Date Posted: September 14 2009 at 18:01
In my humble opinion in analyzing the human condition , the game continues but with even direr , media-fueled consequences. Most younger women are fascinated by bad boys (the greater the jerk, the heavier the attraction) and they seem to find good decent guys booooring (sounds like prog)Wink . Perhaps when they get older they realize their folly but I see a deepening attraction for idiots even with alleged wisdom.  Many men are completely domesticated and cannot seem to buy underwear without some feminine approval. The absolute truth is that Western men are becoming wimpier and females more belligerent. (In fact, in most schools, girl violence is higher that male violence , go figure!!!!!) . I know these comments are perhaps viewed as generalizations but the trend is definitely there . Just go to your nearest shopping mall and observe.......(hopefully with some good prog blasting from your i-pod! )  Big smile

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Posted By: StrengthandWisdom
Date Posted: September 14 2009 at 18:08
Originally posted by tszirmay tszirmay wrote:

In my humble opinion in analyzing the human condition , the game continues but with even direr , media-fueled consequences. Most younger women are fascinated by bad boys (the greater the jerk, the heavier the attraction) and they seem to find good decent guys booooring (sounds like prog)Wink . Perhaps when they get older they realize their folly but I see a deepening attraction for idiots even with alleged wisdom.  Many men are completely domesticated and cannot seem to buy underwear without some feminine approval. The absolute truth is that Western men are becoming wimpier and females more belligerent. (In fact, in most schools, girl violence is higher that male violence , go figure!!!!!) . I know these comments are perhaps viewed as generalizations but the trend is definitely there . Just go to your nearest shopping mall and observe.......(hopefully with some good prog blasting from your i-pod! )  Big smile


Only, I KNOW this girl I spoke of earlier isn't into those kinds of guys.


Posted By: tszirmay
Date Posted: September 14 2009 at 18:14
Originally posted by StrengthandWisdom StrengthandWisdom wrote:

Originally posted by tszirmay tszirmay wrote:

In my humble opinion in analyzing the human condition , the game continues but with even direr , media-fueled consequences. Most younger women are fascinated by bad boys (the greater the jerk, the heavier the attraction) and they seem to find good decent guys booooring (sounds like prog)Wink . Perhaps when they get older they realize their folly but I see a deepening attraction for idiots even with alleged wisdom.  Many men are completely domesticated and cannot seem to buy underwear without some feminine approval. The absolute truth is that Western men are becoming wimpier and females more belligerent. (In fact, in most schools, girl violence is higher that male violence , go figure!!!!!) . I know these comments are perhaps viewed as generalizations but the trend is definitely there . Just go to your nearest shopping mall and observe.......(hopefully with some good prog blasting from your i-pod! )  Big smile


Only, I KNOW this girl I spoke of earlier isn't into those kinds of guys.
Well she lost interest in you because you were too uncommital or busy   ???????
Women have wavering emotions that transcend what we men think we KNOW. With all due respect to you, we guys know s***t about women. Cry  I am 53 , met thousands of them and still am totally puzzled. BTW, I am a romantic gentleman and nowhere near an a*****e. But never ever use the word KNOW. It does not apply even to yourself .  Ouch

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Posted By: The Pessimist
Date Posted: September 14 2009 at 18:19
I have this to say about relationships:

I really cannot be bothered anymore. That said, if the right woman comes along and I'm in full confidence, then I won't let her slip through my fingers. But I have spent too much time and money on women that I have to to chase after because another man's in the equation. I have better things to worry about. I've broke up one too many times (for one reason or another) and my heart is in bits, so I simply trust a relationship anymore.

You're still young dude, and you're in the USA. BE something. Work hard, because no doubt by the time you reach 30 you'll be f**ked (in laman's terms) and there is no turning back. And who says you can't have fun with women without being in a "relationship" with them? Looking back now I find the whole term ridiculous. If you love a women, you love a women. End of.


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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: September 14 2009 at 18:33
I have a problem I've just uncovered in the past few weeks. It could be that I scuttled a relationship for good and practical reasons (she "needs" to be in relationships, I felt little of a connection) or it may seem like I genuinely don't know what others expect out of a relationship with me. I feel I don't know what to say to fill in the silence. I don't really feel too upset about it, but I hope the answer becomes clearer sooner or later. I definitely don't want to give the impression "Teh women are confusing and emotional I can't relate :(" I think that's crap and I'm not sure if this is an appropriate place to air concerns like that. But I may be more concerned with not treating the forum as group therapy. It makes proggers look like a lonely, pathetic bunch. True or otherwise, let's at least give them the illusion of that not being the case. Wink

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Posted By: StrengthandWisdom
Date Posted: September 14 2009 at 20:56
Originally posted by The Pessimist The Pessimist wrote:

I have this to say about relationships:

I really cannot be bothered anymore. That said, if the right woman comes along and I'm in full confidence, then I won't let her slip through my fingers. But I have spent too much time and money on women that I have to to chase after because another man's in the equation. I have better things to worry about. I've broke up one too many times (for one reason or another) and my heart is in bits, so I simply trust a relationship anymore.

You're still young dude, and you're in the USA. BE something. Work hard, because no doubt by the time you reach 30 you'll be f**ked (in laman's terms) and there is no turning back. And who says you can't have fun with women without being in a "relationship" with them? Looking back now I find the whole term ridiculous. If you love a women, you love a women. End of.


"Help that you might find the answers, you can't know before you live. Love and life give you chances, from your flaws. Learn to forgive" -Daniel Gildenlow, Pain of Salvation - Remedy Lane.


Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: September 14 2009 at 23:32
Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

I have a problem I've just uncovered in the past few weeks. It could be that I scuttled a relationship for good and practical reasons (she "needs" to be in relationships, I felt little of a connection) or it may seem like I genuinely don't know what others expect out of a relationship with me. I feel I don't know what to say to fill in the silence. I don't really feel too upset about it, but I hope the answer becomes clearer sooner or later. I definitely don't want to give the impression "Teh women are confusing and emotional I can't relate :(" I think that's crap and I'm not sure if this is an appropriate place to air concerns like that. But I may be more concerned with not treating the forum as group therapy. It makes proggers look like a lonely, pathetic bunch. True or otherwise, let's at least give them the illusion of that not being the case. Wink
I hate girl threads SO MUCH. Also, have you guys with teh epic problems considered that perhaps you are the one with the problem? Just saying, nobody ever seems to be willing to admit personal flaws...

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Posted By: WalterDigsTunes
Date Posted: September 15 2009 at 00:00
walter digs girl


Posted By: clarke2001
Date Posted: September 15 2009 at 02:39
Hm.
Hm, hmm.

I've been in number of relationships (including two 5+ years long ones) , and they were all turbulent to a degree.

I'm currently in a sort-of-relationship for almost a year, and it's kinda diluted (not with the feelings, but with the intensity - we're seeing each other less than once a week).

I'm 33, and sometimes I'm feeling like life is passing my by while the string of female names is getting longer.




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Posted By: The Runaway
Date Posted: September 15 2009 at 05:07
Originally posted by toolis toolis wrote:


well, i'm not alone in my life, but - trust me - i've had my share of dry spell, alright!!!

some points: i don't believe in friendship between man and woman, at least i wouldn't call it a friendship...

second of all, there's not a perfect match..

people may spend their entire lives and never get to know their more suitable match and others find it - and keep it - since childhood.. i have examples for both circumstances...

women are a different species who came from Mars to mate and then destroy human (man) race... that's a joke....

   love is life.. cliche as it sounds, it's true... hurt is also life... sad but true....

   whatever conclusio you may come to, don't give up.. go out there, love and be loved, get hurt, don't hurt, LIVE!!!!

   ok, that's about it....


Wise words, too much prog? Joking, you really inspired me.
 
And yeah, I want to have a relationship, and yes I have my eyes set onsomeone, but I don't know how to tell her I love her.


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Posted By: npjnpj
Date Posted: September 15 2009 at 06:03

This is probably a bit of a downer, but my take on relationships in life is: Have relationships (even serious ones), but whatever you do, don't get married and have a family, because that's when life gets you by the balls with no hope of escape.

 

Everything that comes after that is focused on having to eat dirt from a..holes for the rest of your life for fear of not being able to support your family properly any more.  Been in that vicious situation for almost twenty years now. Well I suppose you can always win the lottery, then things are rosy.

 

Personally, I have always gotten on much better with women than men, I find the normal everyday macho guy thing pretty repulsive, but woman are more easy going on a one-to-one basis, provided the relationship hooks don't sink in too deep and the possession thing kicks in.

 

I'm not a loner, I especially enjoy feminine company, but with no sexual undercurrent, and contrary to a lot of things said about this, it works fine.



Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: September 15 2009 at 07:05
"I find the normal everyday macho guy thing pretty repulsive"
Just like me lol.
I may listen to a lot of metal, but really I'm a f**king pussy and I'm extremely open about my emotions with my females friends while my other male friends keep them hidden away because it's "MOAR METUL TO NOT TELL ANYONE HOW YOU FEEL OR SHOW YOUR EMOTIONS".

But yeah, as it is, I regularly go through phases of being extroverted and other times just totally shying away from other people as much as possible.
Yeah in a way that's cool, because it means I can listen to sh*t loads of music/read heaps of stuff in a given day if I feel like it, but I seriously doubt I could say in 10 years time that creature comforts would be enough to keep me sane. Someone once told me creature comforts simply aren't a substitute for love and I reckon they're right.
I couldn't picture myself being 30 years older and being alone and just listening to music all day after work or reading, I'd probably kill myself.


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Posted By: Easy Money
Date Posted: September 15 2009 at 07:34
Originally posted by mystic fred mystic fred wrote:

Women are fickle creatures, they love novelty, are never satisfied and are always searching for perfection and will stab you in the back at the earliest opportunity - unfortunately i still love women and have many casual friends but will not "step over the line" again in a hurry.  I'm glad i'm a bloke, i am happy and settled now i'm celibate and free after being trapped many a nightmare situation - i wouldn't swap that for a million pounds Tongue
 

...ok  i'll have the million pounds ..Ermm

 

 




When you guys make broad statements about women that aren't even remotely true, it says more about you and your experience (or lack of) than anything else.


Posted By: mystic fred
Date Posted: September 15 2009 at 07:37
 
only joking folksWink
 
yes it was only a wind up Hug
 


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Posted By: Diaby
Date Posted: September 15 2009 at 13:10

Don't ever try it online. Try it face to face. I know, it's a hard thing to do, I've not had the courage yet to perform this action. But I can tell you a negative online experience: a friend of mine started a "relationship" with his classmate on Windows Live Messenger. Next day, the two didn't say a word to each other in the school.

I know this isn't your main problem, but anyway, I find it very important.



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Posted By: Negoba
Date Posted: September 15 2009 at 13:34

I was alone a long time (been with the same woman 13 years now) and alot of it had to do with two things: my own anxiety and just thinking about it too much, and aiming for the wrong kind of woman.

A LOT of guys shoot for women that are wrong for them....different interests, out of their league looks-wise. They get infatuated with someone based on their own perceptions and don't spend the time to tune in a learn about the person across from them.
 
Things changed for me when I started paying attention to the real people right in front of me and less about the fantasies of what I thought was supposed to happen.
 
 
 
Of course, all of this pretty much applies to women too. There are millions of places where women discuss "Why can't I find a good man," it's just not on a prog message board.


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Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: September 15 2009 at 13:37
I can't stop hearing Zappa singing THE song for this thread.
Oh, before I leave :
http://whywomenhatemen.blogspot.com/ - http://whywomenhatemen.blogspot.com/

Check it to understand a few things.





Posted By: LiquidEternity
Date Posted: September 15 2009 at 13:42
Meh, I spent all high school and the first half of college just terribly upset that I never got to be in any sort of relationship. At some point, though, I grew up a little bit and got a lot less self-obsessed. I haven't lived too large a portion of my life (barring some sort of early death, but you get what I mean), but I have seen a lot of people drive away significant others simply because they treated them like a means to feeling better about themselves or getting laid. Being in a relationship is a wonderful thing because it gives you a good chance to not sit there and focus entirely on yourself all the time.

As a side note, you know all those people talking about needing to find themselves, the real people they pretend to think they can't find? I found the real me at apparently a really early age... and let me tell you this, the real me is pretty annoying. Kind of tired of him. Anyways.

There's a poem out there called something like the Ode to Nice Girls. Give it a read. Guys tend to shoot for specific types of girls that really don't work for them. At least in high school and college and just out of college in America, they do. I used to get all hung up on girls who were really outspoken, often tomboyish, etc. But when I stopped to pay attention, it turned out that one quiet, sweet girl rocked my world way more than any of the random crushes I ever had could.

And I can't wait to be married, have kids, and be stuck in a routine of difficult life. Because it's not all about me. I'd love to have to sacrifice my dignity for my family. It's a lesson I really need to learn, anyways.


And apparently I type a bit too slowly, because Negoba beat me to most of the things I tried to say. Huh.


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Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: September 15 2009 at 14:12
Originally posted by Negoba Negoba wrote:

Of course, all of this pretty much applies to women too. There are millions of places where women discuss "Why can't I find a good man," it's just not on a prog message board.
Exactly, perhaps the problem is that we're not good men. ;-)


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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: September 15 2009 at 14:13
Relationships?  No thanks, I'm trying to cut down. Tongue

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Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: September 15 2009 at 14:28
Thanks ... but no thanks.Embarrassed

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Posted By: toolis
Date Posted: September 15 2009 at 14:29
Chandler (Friends):

"And I'd like to believe that when the right woman comes along, you will have the courage and the guts to say, 'No thanks, I'm married!!!"

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Posted By: TODDLER
Date Posted: September 15 2009 at 15:19
This is my deal and it's just a different concept, but it's good to be aware of it. that is, if you are not already. In my youth I met some pretty interesting ladies. Ladies that expressed an abundance of common interest with me. A woman that listens to King Crimson's Lizard every week. A woman that reads and writes poetry. A woman that wants to be romantic. A woman that wants to take you to a jazz show. It's all really impressive to me. Let us say for example that the jazz show ended late on a Saturday night. She drives back home alone but does not answer the phone the next day. Why? Because she is now taking a beer drinkin", hoot and yellin' loud mouth guy to a rock concert. This is a typical double standard psychological concept that I experienced with women in the 70's and 80's. Lets skip through all my B.S. and sum the problem by stating that one must never get too excited over common interests in a relationship. It happens all the time. SEXUAL PROMISCUITY. It happens in the numbers.
As it turns out, the girl that runs to the store to buy cold medicine when your sick, or is willing to have a serious relationship, has opposite taste in music, movies, etc; All this hype for years about sharing a common interest does not always walk in hand with having a healthy relationship.


Posted By: LiquidEternity
Date Posted: September 15 2009 at 16:35
Originally posted by TODDLER TODDLER wrote:

As it turns out, the girl that runs to the store to buy cold medicine when your sick, or is willing to have a serious relationship, has opposite taste in music, movies, etc; All this hype for years about sharing a common interest does not always walk in hand with having a healthy relationship.


Precisely.


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Posted By: Zargus
Date Posted: September 15 2009 at 17:11
Im 25 and i been alone for most of my life, but i think i finaly found the right girl for me, i realy hope so atleast becaus im tierd of wating and looking for the right one, i think if you have some patience you will find someone good sooner or later. Its pretty funny caus i never liked love songs before but now sudenly im crazy about em hehe. And i seend song to her all the time, now to make her like prog... hmmmm... Well i sent her the Peter Hammill song "My Favorite" i think thats a good start and she said she liked it very much. Tongue

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Posted By: Bitterblogger
Date Posted: September 15 2009 at 18:35
Originally posted by Zargus Zargus wrote:

Im 25 and i been alone for most of my life, but i think i finaly found the right girl for me, i realy hope so atleast becaus im tierd of wating and looking for the right one, i think if you have some patience you will find someone good sooner or later. Its pretty funny caus i never liked love songs before but now sudenly im crazy about em hehe. And i seend song to her all the time, now to make her like prog... hmmmm... Well i sent her the Peter Hammill song "My Favorite" i think thats a good start and she said she liked it very much. Tongue
Be careful about the full-court press on the prog. I'm reminded of the story, told here several times, about the two guys who just knew that the perfect ambiance for their dates was going to be achieved by putting on Stravinsky's The Rite Of Spring--after all, the opening section is entitled "The Adoration of the Earth".  They, of course, didn't even get close to first base.
 
My thoughts in regard to you, Strength&Wisdom, is that if these girls are approximately the same age as you, it's a squirrely time for them. Three different ones dropped out of my life at various times, and other men I know shared similar stories. Maybe that's the basis of the Steely Dan tune, "Hey 19". 


Posted By: fusionfreak
Date Posted: September 16 2009 at 14:41

I'm a very sad man and I feel lost regarding such issues.It's very hard every day since I feel like crying most of the time,moreover I often think about death(It has been the case for years).I've been single for three years and I sometimes spend moments with a woman.I respect her thoroughly,I cheer her up anytime she needs(the best way to forget my problems)but as long as I only have a strong physical desire for her,I won't tell her anything.Moreover we've been knowing each other for years so it's not easy(I'm over sensitive).I enjoy spending time with her but I prevent myself from trying anything.I see myself as a complicated man so in order to stay positive I listen to progressive/psychedelic music,I play basketball,I go to the movies.I just want to share good/bad moments with a woman,support her as much as I can.I want to give and receive.



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Posted By: StrengthandWisdom
Date Posted: September 16 2009 at 21:40
Originally posted by fusionfreak fusionfreak wrote:

I'm a very sad man and I feel lost regarding such issues.It's very hard every day since I feel like crying most of the time,moreover I often think about death(It has been the case for years).I've been single for three years and I sometimes spend moments with a woman.I respect her thoroughly,I cheer her up anytime she needs(the best way to forget my problems)but as long as I only have a strong physical desire for her,I won't tell her anything.Moreover we've been knowing each other for years so it's not easy(I'm over sensitive).I enjoy spending time with her but I prevent myself from trying anything.I see myself as a complicated man so in order to stay positive I listen to progressive/psychedelic music,I play basketball,I go to the movies.I just want to share good/bad moments with a woman,support her as much as I can.I want to give and receive.



Sounds like you rely too much on women. You need to learn to depend on yourself.


Posted By: StrengthandWisdom
Date Posted: October 05 2009 at 22:08
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Posted By: dude
Date Posted: October 06 2009 at 05:58

 When it comes to relationships i have had my share of lonely days,not being particularly tall (5'8) i guess didn't help and i had many occasions where i was out with friends met a girl who i got on really well with and thinking "YES" only to watch her leave with some jock.Even 16 years of martial arts training didnt seem to help with the ladies.

there were a few relationships but non lasted long and i was resigned to a life of batchelorhood,something i did not relish.As time went by and i thought about it i realised that a lot of my problem was my attitude i was so conditioned to rejection that i would give up before i started and it must have shown in the way i comported myself.
 
I strove to change my attitude and become more positive,to take rejection and learn from it rather than be its prisoner
 
after a few false starts i met a lovely lady, at a barbecue, she was a stunning filipino woman here for a working holiday, i saw here surrounded by a number of blokes all trying to get her attention and i thought "no chance here mate" but i put that aside and talked to her,not forcing or EXPECTING(that can be a killer) anything,the result was a calmer less nervous approach the end result .........we spent the rest of her stay together,we talk everynight and are now planning our future together and hopefully she will be back here at the end of the year in time for Christmas.Smile
 
Self realisation can be painful,especially when one has to examine why one is failing at a particular effort but i think the old saying "There is someone for everyone" is true
 
you just have to BELIEVE itSmile


Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: October 06 2009 at 21:26
My life is a hellish clusterf*ck of failure in this regard.

Most recent example:
Attractive female, she actually enjoyed talking to me and such, I was going to go for her.
The next day my friend texts me, "hey you think raquel would be good for ralph?  I set them up on a blind date?"

What the f*ck?


Posted By: StrengthandWisdom
Date Posted: October 25 2009 at 04:17

This is somethign I can't help but despair over.

 

How the HELL am I going to ever get to know someone, if I get so nervous and over-analytical? I cant control it, I don't how I am supposed to f'ing get anywhere.

 

Maybe you do get better at it, but by that point you will have missed a whole lifetime of potentially great relationships and companions.



Posted By: Textbook
Date Posted: October 25 2009 at 05:29

Let's stay at home all weekend listening to Smiths' records.



Posted By: aapatsos
Date Posted: October 25 2009 at 05:56
Originally posted by StrengthandWisdom StrengthandWisdom wrote:

I guess you kind of have to accept that they will just suddenly end for some scientifically unknown reason.
Don't worry too much man, this sums it all up very well LOL


Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: October 25 2009 at 10:59
Don't tell my wife but I have this relationship going on with the hamster they have in a cage in the children's section in our local public library.

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Posted By: mrcozdude
Date Posted: October 25 2009 at 11:01
My mum said to me I'm a nicer person when I'm not in a relationship yesterday.

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Posted By: The Runaway
Date Posted: October 25 2009 at 11:25
Originally posted by mrcozdude mrcozdude wrote:

My mum said to me I'm a nicer person when I'm not in a relationship yesterday.

Confused
Owned?

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Posted By: TODDLER
Date Posted: October 25 2009 at 12:06
My deal is NOT dealing with the aftermath of a relationship that has fallen apart. All or most of the people who were in your girlfriend's circle of friends are now questioning your business. It's a bit like being put on the judgement stand. Sometimes people can be vague and it may seem that they are avoiding such an issue but don't count on it. The gossip goes round and it's better to disappear for a while. Some ignorant idiots have the tendancy to bring all of your past to the forefront 25 or 30 years after the fact.  It's a drama and foolish to ponder over true. But I've gotten into more fights with people over the years, who try to bring up old s-it and aim to spread it in your face. Whether it be at a dinner party or just a social gathering with your kids. I hate being around people like this more so than the person that I once had the relationship with. It's like there is a committee of adults who use intelligent words to convey and justify a retarded mind set of their own. One that puts your butt in a sling, in more ways than one. They usually want to hear both sides of the story so that later, they can make a judgement towards you. They will black ball you from getting a date with a female friend of theirs or just try really hard to give you a bad name to everyone. Everytime this kind of situation has happened to me, I have physically moved to another town. That's the beauty of freedom. You can not only leave it all behind and throw the bad memories by the wayside, but you can always start a new life in a new place.  


Posted By: el dingo
Date Posted: October 26 2009 at 14:30
Originally posted by Textbook Textbook wrote:

Let's stay at home all weekend listening to Smiths' records.

 
Vompatti does that all the timeWink


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Posted By: TheCaptain
Date Posted: October 26 2009 at 14:46
Originally posted by el dingo el dingo wrote:

Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

The wise sage Jon Anderson (or was it Trevor Rabin) once sang "Owner of a lonely heart, much better than the owner of a broken heart". Wink
 
 
Yeah sure but didn't Shakespeare say 'Tis better to have loved and lost then never to have loved at all'?


One of them is right. Flip a coin if you aren't sure.


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Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: October 26 2009 at 15:38
Originally posted by el dingo el dingo wrote:

Originally posted by Textbook Textbook wrote:

Let's stay at home all weekend listening to Smiths' records.

 
Vompatti does that all the timeWink

Wrong. On weekends I'm too depressed to listen to anything. Wink


Posted By: Green Shield Stamp
Date Posted: October 29 2009 at 06:53
I never had a girlfriend until I was about 20.  I thought that I would be a perpetual bachelor and used to get quite self conscious about it.  I was painfully shy, and the thought of approaching a woman would render me completely tongue-tied, but all sorts of unexpected things happen in life.  I have now been married for14 years and have two children (one aged 12 the other 10).  I love my wife very much and she loves me.  My life is completely different in every way (apart from my love of Prog, which started when I was 15) compared to when I was 19 years old.  So, don't use the here and now as a map for the rest of your life.  You never know what is just around the corner!

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Posted By: manofmystery
Date Posted: October 29 2009 at 13:27

Let's see, I'm looking for a hot chick with a ton of money, or just an old chick with a ton of money, or just a hot chick



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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: November 14 2010 at 10:26
 Funny stivers Mark cloning  cartoon from January 21, 1998

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Posted By: martinprog77
Date Posted: November 14 2010 at 13:48
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

 Funny stivers Mark cloning  cartoon from January 21, 1998
LOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOL

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Posted By: TODDLER
Date Posted: November 15 2010 at 20:36
One night while walking on the beach, I saw paths surrounded by bushes which led to a lighthouse. I had been walking and thinking hard about becoming a monk. A tall girl with brown hair down to her waist was walking towards me . Our eyes met and we walked towards each other and began to kiss. We held each other as if we knew each other for years. She then walked away and I never saw her again. I don't know if she was drugged, a cult member, or a mental patient. I just knew she was beautiful. That short moment was a better high than any marriage I had experienced.   


Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: November 15 2010 at 20:38
Originally posted by TODDLER TODDLER wrote:

One night while walking on the beach, I saw paths surrounded by bushes which led to a lighthouse. I had been walking and thinking hard about becoming a monk. A tall girl with brown hair down to her waist was walking towards me . Our eyes met and we walked towards each other and began to kiss. We held each other as if we knew each other for years. She then walked away and I never saw her again. I don't know if she was drugged, a cult member, or a mental patient. I just knew she was beautiful. That short moment was a better high than any marriage I had experienced.   

Have you considered the possibility that she might have been a beautiful drugged cult mental patient?  Also was she short?


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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: November 15 2010 at 20:40
Relationships anyone?

No thanks, the one I have is plenty.  Tongue


Posted By: TODDLER
Date Posted: November 15 2010 at 21:37
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Originally posted by TODDLER TODDLER wrote:

One night while walking on the beach, I saw paths surrounded by bushes which led to a lighthouse. I had been walking and thinking hard about becoming a monk. A tall girl with brown hair down to her waist was walking towards me . Our eyes met and we walked towards each other and began to kiss. We held each other as if we knew each other for years. She then walked away and I never saw her again. I don't know if she was drugged, a cult member, or a mental patient. I just knew she was beautiful. That short moment was a better high than any marriage I had experienced.   

Have you considered the possibility that she might have been a beautiful drugged cult mental patient?  Also was she short?
All kidding aside, I have no idea! She seemed to come out of nowhere....like in that Harlan Ellison story about the sea of black glass. "Who walks out of the ocean in the night?" Except she was on land. She reminded me of a very tall Amish girl. Nothing was ever said. It was a once in a lifetime experience. It was very romantic and very avant-garde. I took it as a warning. It was bizzare. Everytime I was detached from a relationship and desired to study and be a monk,...a woman came along. It was like a forcefield that was preventing me.


Posted By: TODDLER
Date Posted: November 16 2010 at 10:03
I think that when a woman is having her lady's time, it can become a snowball affect in terms of the relationship between children and both parents. Many woman will drive a man to his ends during her lady's time. The man suddenly becomes a target. I remember my mother doing this to my father. He was quiet and held everything inside. You suddenly have to take verbal abuse which is directly tied into  your levels of intelligence or level of career. All the things that the woman dislikes about you.....and do not come to surface on a regular basis,...are now extreme to the point where (if you take her seriously), she is walking out that flippin' door.

Some woman will flip out and proceed in comparing you with other men. Then when it's all over, she says that she loves you. She treats you badly but expects in return total devotion as a husband. Then she puts you on the spot in front of other guys. If you take it too seriously, you will hate the world. If your wife points out a fault of yours during her lady's time and at a social gathering, ....and some outspoken wise guy passes judgement on you it can turn into a fight and all directly to do with the lady's time. I wanted to be a monk long ago but, I have children now and great responsibility. I have been married 4 times and tried to keep my cool and remain honest. Every woman has their own way of dealing with grief. Even worse is when a woman will clam up for 3 days and not bother to explain what's on her mind, leaving you in the dark wondering what the problem is? I've watched my wife give birth 3 times and I find that men don't understand what it feels like to have a sledgehammer pounding into you. But, if you are very sensitive, you have a nightmare to experience until the lady's time is over. Your kids might ask you on the way to school, "Daddy, why was Mommy yelling at you this morning?" It's suppose to be normal life according to the Rosanne T.V. shows from the past but, when you are in the thicket of it all, I'm sorry but, your mind can be at stake.


Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: November 16 2010 at 10:13
Seems like a very misogynistic and overly general worldview bro. 

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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: November 16 2010 at 12:37
Well you have to give each other room and not neglect spending quality time together as well.  My wife and I were discussing plans regarding the house and it started to turn into Monty Python's Argument Clinic.  If we make it through this current ordeal we will be able to probably endure anything life hurls at us.  And ultimately, that's what makes relationships functional is never losing sight that you are in it together.  United you will stand, divided you will fail.


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Posted By: TODDLER
Date Posted: November 16 2010 at 21:02
Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

Seems like a very misogynistic and overly general worldview bro. 
I've had great friendships with women over the years. I respect their gender and a painful reminder is the way they were treated by men in the 1920's From ancient times and foward they were abused by man and his belief system. I've had some pretty strange experiences with unique women.
                               
                                                                Toddler's Testimony


 I had a relationship with this girl which was romantic but had a brother and sister twist to it. We were able to sit and watch sports together or comedy shows, write music together, etc, and we connected to different levels. Our personalities seemed different during the activities. She didn't care about roses and hated expensive jewels. I hardly indulged in cars, woodwork, or plumbing.
One night we were driving on the highway and she saw a silver ball in the nightsky. She asked me to pull to the right lane, drive slower, and have a look see. At first sight I was a little alarmed. It seemed to be still, yet it followed us the whole night. I kept trying to get my barings geographically because it could have been positioned on a tower. Like a military tower. Maybe 4 towns east of us was a military base. I tried for a logical explanation and she persisted that it was alien space craft. After a while it just vanished.
 
Another strange experience with her was on a stormy night in our bungalow. We were listening to Mick Ronson's Slaughter On 10TH Avenue. We were discussing how we loved his arrangements for the early David Bowie records. We continued talking about Ronson as the record played. About 3rd track in, the turntable stopped. I thought it might be the belt so I grabbed a screwdriver and then the phone rang. She picked up the phone and it was her sister on the other end telling her that Mick Ronson died. I was a little freaked but, again, tried to come up with a logical explanation for the event. She knew that I enjoyed Sci-Fi novels, electronic music and had lost childhood friends to Satan Cult rituals but, she really knew that I almost believed in nothing but fantasy. She was very understanding. She was a very intense woman and a superb musician. She would play Classical and Jazz music on the piano or Tarkus on the grand piano. We played in many bands together performing some original music and covers of Weather Report tunes. Top notch male musicians on the circuit had great admiration for her playing BUT were jealous over the fact that she was a woman. Plain and simple, gloom and doom. You can imagine how my mind drifted back to the 20's?    


Posted By: jampa17
Date Posted: November 16 2010 at 22:36
Well, basically I've been following this Thread. It's kind of interesting. I would agree with Stoney, it's not like we have to write about it but the deal is that I keep seeing my friends (females) getting into relationships with complet a****les and keep getting hurt in the end. But a nice little person as me, I have failed in most of my relationships, I don't know why, I think it's because I'm too honest, sometimes rude in the way I say and do some things.
 
But well, I don't dispair, I mean, right now there's a girl that I like and it's getting very tough to get around her. She is kind of closed about her feelings so is difficult to get around and know what she feels and everything, but I guess there's no more choice than been honest and talk to her about my interest in her and hear what she thinks and feels about it...
 
I'm no expert on relationships... I just know that I don't want my own safety, I want to share time, share love, like a 50-50... Both have to be interested... if not, someone will be hurt... my two cents.


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Posted By: TODDLER
Date Posted: November 17 2010 at 07:58
Originally posted by jampa17 jampa17 wrote:

Well, basically I've been following this Thread. It's kind of interesting. I would agree with Stoney, it's not like we have to write about it but the deal is that I keep seeing my friends (females) getting into relationships with complet a****les and keep getting hurt in the end. But a nice little person as me, I have failed in most of my relationships, I don't know why, I think it's because I'm too honest, sometimes rude in the way I say and do some things.
 
But well, I don't dispair, I mean, right now there's a girl that I like and it's getting very tough to get around her. She is kind of closed about her feelings so is difficult to get around and know what she feels and everything, but I guess there's no more choice than been honest and talk to her about my interest in her and hear what she thinks and feels about it...
 
I'm no expert on relationships... I just know that I don't want my own safety, I want to share time, share love, like a 50-50... Both have to be interested... if not, someone will be hurt... my two cents.
Very cool post. I mean,...I really like it. You have a VERY good head on your shoulders to think and feel the way you do. During my 20's and 30's as a full time travelling musician, I was on this mission to practice celibacy and meditation and while I made witness to vast criminal activity in the music business, I was inside this bubble. As I only returned home twice a year, my first wife travelled with me for one year and ran the lightshow. She was promiscuous and we were both living and travelling with a sexual promiscuity  influenced society on the road. I never truly got over the initial shock of this behaviour. I never dated girls in my teens because I was locked in a room practicing an instrument. The importance of my development ruled. In 3 decades of road travel I witnessed sex as a tool for business. Sexual favors between agents, musicians, managers, and record executives.  The musician or entertainer could easly obtain connections with record companies, higher paying gigs, etc, if they indulged in sexual activity with business jerks. I gripped very tight to the concepts of celibacy and meditation and avoided it at all costs. Celibacy did not work in my case as I loved being with a woman.


Posted By: rdtprog
Date Posted: November 17 2010 at 08:20
It's when your happy being alone that you need to find relationships because you want share your happiness with others. When your not happy by living alone it means that you need to stay alone a while. It's not because we are face with failure in relationships that we have to avoid it in a solitary shell. The problem is that we are looking for perfection in any relationships. We don't want make compromises to satisfy the need of others.


Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: November 17 2010 at 08:34
Originally posted by TODDLER TODDLER wrote:

Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

Seems like a very misogynistic and overly general worldview bro. 
I've had great friendships with women over the years. I respect their gender and a painful reminder is the way they were treated by men in the 1920's From ancient times and foward they were abused by man and his belief system. I've had some pretty strange experiences with unique women.
                               
                                                                Toddler's Testimony


 I had a relationship with this girl which was romantic but had a brother and sister twist to it. We were able to sit and watch sports together or comedy shows, write music together, etc, and we connected to different levels. Our personalities seemed different during the activities. She didn't care about roses and hated expensive jewels. I hardly indulged in cars, woodwork, or plumbing.
One night we were driving on the highway and she saw a silver ball in the nightsky. She asked me to pull to the right lane, drive slower, and have a look see. At first sight I was a little alarmed. It seemed to be still, yet it followed us the whole night. I kept trying to get my barings geographically because it could have been positioned on a tower. Like a military tower. Maybe 4 towns east of us was a military base. I tried for a logical explanation and she persisted that it was alien space craft. After a while it just vanished.
 
Another strange experience with her was on a stormy night in our bungalow. We were listening to Mick Ronson's Slaughter On 10TH Avenue. We were discussing how we loved his arrangements for the early David Bowie records. We continued talking about Ronson as the record played. About 3rd track in, the turntable stopped. I thought it might be the belt so I grabbed a screwdriver and then the phone rang. She picked up the phone and it was her sister on the other end telling her that Mick Ronson died. I was a little freaked but, again, tried to come up with a logical explanation for the event. She knew that I enjoyed Sci-Fi novels, electronic music and had lost childhood friends to Satan Cult rituals but, she really knew that I almost believed in nothing but fantasy. She was very understanding. She was a very intense woman and a superb musician. She would play Classical and Jazz music on the piano or Tarkus on the grand piano. We played in many bands together performing some original music and covers of Weather Report tunes. Top notch male musicians on the circuit had great admiration for her playing BUT were jealous over the fact that she was a woman. Plain and simple, gloom and doom. You can imagine how my mind drifted back to the 20's?    

I suggest you try harder to find logical explanations.

Originally posted by TODDLER TODDLER wrote:

You suddenly have to take verbal abuse which is directly tied into  your levels of intelligence or level of career. All the things that the woman dislikes about you.....and do not come to surface on a regular basis

Sorry but the last thing that seems like is respectful towards women. Sounds like a fear of past male dominance over women intellectually coming to an end.


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Posted By: The Hemulen
Date Posted: November 17 2010 at 09:00
If my experiences have taught me anything it's that everyone is different and there is no sense in generalising or making sweeping statements/assumptions about something as complex, unpredictable and amorphous as human relationships. All I can offer, therefore, is my own personal experience.

I've been with the same person for nearly six years now. Given the amount of growing up and changing one naturally does between the ages of 18 and 24, not to mention that the first three years were a dreaded long-distance relationship scenario, I guess that's probably something of an achievement.

I honestly can't tell you how we've managed to keep it together all this time other than the fact that we want the same things from a relationship and, well, we love each other. All this rot about it being a "game", men are from mars, women are from venus etc etc. That's all bullsh*t in my experience. I've often seen people say "it's ok to keep secrets" and that's something I can't personally understand. I won't generalise (that would be hypocritical), but I can't personally see how keeping secrets from your partner can do anything but damage a relationship. Honesty, respect, love, kindness... that's what keeps my relationship alive.


Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: November 17 2010 at 09:06
great post David.


Posted By: TODDLER
Date Posted: November 17 2010 at 10:06

Yes! we are all just human. But in the music business women have been placed on display like  cardboard cut-outs. There are still attitudes around the world deriving from a society of men who refuse to take women seriously. I should say society because even the woman who plays violin in a symphony orchestra has to deal with the male musician's  ideology that a woman is less creative and they look down upon a women and crucify their gender. I may sound like an extremist here but great woman musicians I worked with in 2006 were still being abused in this way. It never changed really.


It's insulting and abusive to a woman because for example:...let's say it's over 100 degrees with a dense heatwave, and the woman who just happens to have a beautiful body , REALLY ONLY wants to wear shorts and blouse to avoid massive sweating but she is now suddenly put on display and stared at by men and confronted with some type of psychological put on game by a male. That's when her value of the male gender may become questionable. Guys gey intoxicated and laugh over the issue of how a woman can have the freedom to flaunt their body through a sexy outfit but, yet they themselves would get arrested if they walked about in their underwear. They think it's real stylish to make sarcastic remarks about it but hey! their gender gave women this image and many women who are branded as lost souls in this world find the entire reality insulting to their life. Many women feel as if they have been branded. I pray that women will someday see an end to all of this.
I think it is sad, all the women I have toured with who were outstanding musicians and eventually broke down in the many dressing rooms because a promoter was forcing them to dress sexy. Women would often express they felt rejection from getting the definition of a human being. Instead, they were being used in a business prop by male promoters as if that decision had been written in stone during the course of history.  


Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: August 11 2016 at 19:32
Sorry for necroposting, but this thread was open for a long time and no one locked it, so why don't I just revive it instead of creating a duplicate? 

The reason for this post: I want some recommendations for sources (books, Web-articles, essays, etc.) with reliable information on and answers to:
 - how to deal with intrusive thoughts and obsession; 
 - how to understand the true value/purpose of being in a relationship; 
 - whether it is OK to be single for the rest of your life (so that people wouldn't think less of you, calling you "that one creepy old guy"); 
 - whether being in a relationship is right for me; 
 - how to find the right match; 
 - how to muster up the courage to talk to people of opposite sex (or same sex if you are not straight); 
 - whether it is OK to share intrusive thoughts with your partner. 

... so that I can be on my merry way to the library or cruising the Web. ... Or is it the kind of thing you should run by a friend? (If that's the case, I'm screwed. I don't have any friends.) I don't want to read another blog written by a person who has an awkward writing style and choice of words. (No jokes would be appreciated; my seemingly  bipolar/clinically depressed self comes up with its own jokes just fine.) 

 


Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: August 11 2016 at 19:39
The best way I've found of dealing with intrusive thoughts and obsession is to realize I will always have them.  Then you can start to treat them like old friends who can't control you rather than a preoccupying, troubling problem.   As for relationships, good luck there, I got nothin' for you.



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Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: August 11 2016 at 20:09
Always amazing to look at a really old thread and realize how many old faces have come and gone..


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Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: August 11 2016 at 20:29
Sorry I don't know of such a book, my friend. 

I haven't had a ton of relationships with the oppo sex, but the few I have had....I just followed my gut, let it develop slowly.  The two most important relationships I had both started with co-workers and turned into friendships, then into great friendships, then romantic.  Honestly the friendship part has always been far more important to me, FAR more, than any physical aspect.  Laughter, friendship, someone you know has your back, someone to share quiet time with...that is all I need or want.  It just develops when you have met the right person, try not to overthink it. 

That's probably terribly cliched and simplistic but it was my experience.  I was lucky to meet some great people in my old jobs back then, both girl and guy friends.  And I'm a big time introvert.  So take your time and follow your instincts, try to relax....I know it is hard.


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Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: August 11 2016 at 21:51
^ So I stay in my good ol' ascetic mode. Alright, then. Duly noted. Pedal to the metal when looking to interact socially. 


Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: August 12 2016 at 02:34
Anyway, thank you for your replies, gents. 


Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: August 12 2016 at 03:29
Relationships are a labour of love, demanding, and a real PITA (says he who has only been in 2).
f**k-buddies for sure


Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: August 12 2016 at 21:18
Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

f**k-buddies for sure
For now I'll try to refrain from those ... 'cause that's the way I'm wired. 

The best (seemingly so) source for finding advice on how to initiate/handle relationships is the Psychology Today website, but they don't seem to have all the reasonable answers. I think the root of all my problems is in the social domain: the fact that I don't have any friends and don't know how to talk to people. 

I don't know where to start is all I'm saying. 

 


Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: August 13 2016 at 03:17
Methinks that this crowd isn't the ideal one to ask for advice at the best of times...Wink

I know of no self-help books because I've never used them, but the clue is in the phrase "self-help", they won't answer your questions and concerns as there are no definitive general answers to any of them, all they can do is guide you to helping your self. So that said, here's some free guidance:

 - how to deal with intrusive thoughts and obsession; 
With confidence. Develop a self-assured image of yourself that is stronger than these urges so you can start to control them instead of allowing them to control you (if that is the case). If you are asking "how to deal with" then you probably have a poor view of yourself for having them - no one can read your mind so the only person these thoughts affect is you. As David said, accept that you will always have them (and stop obsessing about them). Then you can pull them apart to see what makes them tick and understand for yourself why you have them (psychiatrists make a fortune out of getting you to solve your own problems - they never supply answers, they only ask questions).
 - how to understand the true value/purpose of being in a relationship; 
By having confidence in the relationship you will come to value the relationship and with that discover the value of it. Relationships are mutual respect and that is their value - they make us better individuals. How often you you hear "He/She is my rock" or other such sayings - as trite as they sound, they're truisms - our partners see things in us we cannot see for ourselves - our self-doubt means nothing to them, the simple notion that they want to be with us reveals how much confidence they have in us - and by that virtue our confidence in them drives away their self-doubt. If you doubt your partner then they will start doubting you. The same is true of friendships and all other non-romantic partnerships such as being in a band or on a team - relationships grow by discovery and acknowledgement of each others "abilities" and then using them in a mutually beneficial way. 
 - whether it is OK to be single for the rest of your life (so that people wouldn't think less of you, calling you "that one creepy old guy"); 
To hell with what other people think. If being single is what you want to be then do it. However if it's just because you fear that you'll always be single then push this thought to the back if the queue. You don't need defeatist thinking at this point in proceedings. 
 - whether being in a relationship is right for me; 
This is like asking whether you're going to like Dr Pepper or not - how can you tell if you never try it?
 - how to find the right match; 
By staying in your comfort zone and by being yourself. For example: If you hate going to bars then you're out of your comfort zone - anyone you find there who is comfortable in that environment is not going to be "the right match" for you - in those situations look for who else isn't comfortable and gravitate towards them because they are likely to be a kindred spirit. Between the two of you you can create your own little haven in an alien landscape... but before you do that, put yourself in their shoes and imagine how you would feel if someone invaded your space. The less intrusive you are the more comfortable they'll feel - be yourself and let them see that you are sympathetic to their plight so offer no threat and their confidence will grow as yours does. Remember that the person you are approaching is as nervous and unsure as you are regardless of how confident they seem on the surface - so if they do reject you then they are being defensive - they too are avoiding being hurt (so respect that and walk away).
 - how to muster up the courage to talk to people of opposite sex (or same sex if you are not straight); 
By avoiding the people who scare the crap out of you. If you have to muster courage to make that first move then you're going to get hurt every time. You don't need courage, you need confidence in yourself. One thing to remember is be natural before you say anything - first impressions are formed long before the first word is uttered so start with a friendly non-threatening smile.
 - whether it is OK to share intrusive thoughts with your partner. 
If you have to ask then the answer is probably no. Somethings are not for sharing.

You'll notice that every piece of free advice I've doled out here says the same thing: Confidence, or more specifically - self-confidence. 

Most of us are shy introverts (this is a Progressive Rock forum after all), and that includes me - no matter how confident and self-assured I seem in print, or even when meeting me IRL, I'm actually painfully shy and reserved. I hate meeting people for the first time and avoid it whenever possible - my self-confidence grows as I get to know the person I'm talking with because the lack of self-confidence is really the fear of rejection. The more confident I am that I'm not going to be rejected the less introvert and more animate I become. It's a perfectly natural defence mechanism we use to avoid being hurt. I suspect (but obviously don't actually know) that extroverts also fear rejections which is why they try so goddamn hard to be liked - introverts cannot do that, we don't project self-confidence, we cannot manipulate others to like us, or force them to see our good traits, we just have to hope that we will be liked in spite of our faults and failings.

At this stage you're probably asking yourself can a shy, fat old guy whose been in a monogamous relationship for almost 40 years seriously offer me advice on dating? *shrug* - in my youth I was pretty good at it and even now (as my wife observed yesterday) I get admiring glances without even trying - and I guess that's because I'm not trying. [Long ago a girl once said to me "you could turn heads if you put your mind to it" but the truth is, I've never put my mind to it because I just wouldn't be into anyone who would be attracted to that false image of me if I did.]

Now I'm going to say something that sounds counter intuitive - introverts are just as good at finding partners as extroverts, we're just a little slower at it because we are the tortoise to their hare in this race. We are pretty good at observing and noticing things because we take time to make ourselves feel comfortable in any situation, we're always looking out for the potential threats - we see the people to avoid long before they see us - and that can work to our advantage because without realising it we also see those who are non-threatening but tend to filter them out. 




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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: August 13 2016 at 04:37
Wow,Shocked a sex thread open for seven years that I haven't posted inConfusedPinch (yes, I checkedLOL)

Waddya mean, this isn't a sex thread?? ConfusedAngry


Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

Relationships are a labour of love, demanding, and a real PITA (says he who has only been in 2).
f**k-buddies for sure


I'm not gay, so I'm looking for f**k-buddiettesTongue


Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Methinks that this crowd isn't the ideal one to ask for advice at the best of times...Wink


oh, noooooo!!!!... You mean that I've made my whole education and based my life on a virgin geeky-nerdy proghead site, then?? ShockedAngryClown






Posted By: micky
Date Posted: August 13 2016 at 05:38
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Methinks that this crowd isn't the ideal one to ask for advice at the best of times...Wink



Clap amen to that... great crowd here for asking which prog album is more repelling to the opposite sex..... but this ..ummm LOL

 - how to deal with intrusive thoughts and obsession; 
Personally I have a long history of dealing with this myself. Some aspects innate through who we are (ADHD) some gained through life experiences (PTSD). Of course there is no single blanket answer. We all deal with these things in our own way. My simplest advice.  If you really feel you need help, don't go to f**king prog rock website, go see a professional.  I did, and it can help. Otherwise... revel in your eccentricities and oddities.. 
 - how to understand the true value/purpose of being in a relationship; 
a very personal notion only you can understand and thus recognize once you have found it in a partner. What do YOU seek from a relationship. A mother-figure to take care of you, an on-demand sex toy, a life partner to share the difficulties and joys of life with.  That is up to you man.. only you know.
 - whether it is OK to be single for the rest of your life (so that people wouldn't think less of you, calling you "that one creepy old guy"); 
To hell with what other people think. If being single is what you want to be then do it. However if it's just because you fear that you'll always be single then push this thought to the back if the queue. You don't need defeatist thinking at this point in proceedings. Dean hit the nail on this one. Nothing to add
 - whether being in a relationship is right for me; 
This is like asking whether you're going to like Dr Pepper or not - how can you tell if you never try it?
ditto though I may add.. there is no failure in failure. Unless you marry a Satanic soul sucking  Red-head LOL
 - how to find the right match; 
in my experience.. you don't find the right match.. it finds you. Don't worry about that sh*t man.. when it happens.. it happens. I found my soul-mate and perfect match in the most inhospitable of places and at a time I was considering putting a gun to my head.. I sure as f**k was not looking for the right match when she came into my life. It just comes to you.. the trick is always be receptive. Never lose hope. The right match is out there.. just don't miss it for drowning in self-pity or lost hope.
 - how to muster up the courage to talk to people of opposite sex (or same sex if you are not straight); 
BOOZE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL If you have to ask that question...then I am serious. No pithy answer will make those of us have have substantial self confidence/esteem issues go away... just drink them away and be the fabulously interesting, incredibly bulletproof and confident man we have always wanted ourselves to be.
 - whether it is OK to share intrusive thoughts with your partner. 
ahhhh... no.  The deepest recesses of our minds are for ourselves and ourselves alone.

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

even now (as my wife observed yesterday) I get admiring glances without even trying


LOL I'm not surprised... first time I saw a picture of you on the forum I told myself.... DAMNIT man.. I hope I look that good when I get f**king old...


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Posted By: A_Flower
Date Posted: August 13 2016 at 08:59
Honestly though, love is unfair and cruel. Enough said.

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Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: August 13 2016 at 09:34
Dean and others have talked about comfort zones and self confidence. From my perspective, I have spoken in front of thousands of delegates at union conferences. I am at the moment teaching corporate tax evasion to trainee members of my department at work. I have to conduct sometimes extremely difficult meetings at work with subjects of my, ahem, attention. Further, I can come across as rather boisterous, loud, and cocky on both this forum and in my local pub.

In realty, I am quite an introverted person, have always been self critical, certainly in terms of appearance, and am certainly self obsessed, finding it extremely difficult to easily accept differing viewpoints, arguments, and stuff I simply either do not like, or get. In that, I suppose that I am much like the typical PA forum member

In terms of the fairer sex, I was absolutely hopeless at getting a girlfriend, at keeping her once I had crossed that bridge, and I was, quite simply, useless. I therefore spent more time playing cricket, playing and watching prog, getting drunk, working hard, and reading, all of which I was far better at than dating.

I was 35 when I was lucky enough to meet the most beautiful woman on God's earth. As her best friend had brought her to my local pub to meet me without my knowledge or consent, I was also extraordinarily drunk. I managed to drag myself to work the next morning, in spite of the most awful hangover, and met Glynis in town. I had forgotten her name from the night before, which, as you can imagine, was slightly awkward. I did, though, take her for a non alcoholic drink, and invited her to the house a couple of days later to cook her a nice Italian meal. Indeed, the meal was so nice, I have not been allowed to cook one again since

The key to this. I was myself. I did not try to be anybody other than me. She loves me for being me, and I love her for not just being her, but for having the patience and love to put up with me and my many foibles.

I hate nightclubs, and have since I was young. Therefore, I realised that trying to meet ladies in such places was a waste of time. As Dean said, it is extremely difficult to do such things when you are feeling very awkward out of your comfort zone.

I remember my dearly loved late grandfather, who was rather obsessed with yours truly continuing the family name and genetic heritage, rather despairing at me ever meeting anyone. It was the proudest day of my life when I presented him with his great grandson, my boy Ioan, who is now a strapping six foot three fifteen year old.

That does not mean to say that it would have been a "failure" had I remained single. I was quite happy being single, in my own strange way, provided I had good health, a local pub to drink in, enough money to buy music, and access to decent pornography    Being single is not a failure if that is what you are happy with. The most important thing in all of this is to be simply happy.

So, my advice, for what it is worth. Get drunk in the company of ladies.......erm.....wait......no.......simply be yourself. It is an old cliche that there is someone for everybody, but it is true. Don't worry about it. It will come in its own time, and it will be, as with me, when you least expect it, or when every sensible person has given up on it ever happening.

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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: August 13 2016 at 12:45
After a couple failed marriages and several long-term liaisons (one resulting in a child out of wedlock), I have finally found someone who will put up with my sh*t long-term. Not that I don't have to put up with her sh*t, but I don't believe the load of manure is balanced equitably on the scales of love. Wink It has been over 15 years, and I appreciate her every day for her inherent fairness and kindness (in between my curmudgeonly black humors, of course). Luckily, I fell into a good one this time 'round and can't imagine being elsewhere with anyone else. Really, it is all a matter of some arcane and inexplicable concoction of luck and effort.

But there really isn't an art or science to it. You won't imbibe any wisdom from a book that experience will not teach you like a cold slap in the face. You work on it until it no longer is work and there is no need for continual reexamination. Or perhaps there was no work required at all, but a natural progression and a mutual Interest that transcends "interests". You often hear of, and I have experienced, the idea of growing apart; however, if you are with the right person, one can set off on journeys of self-discovery that do not impinge or alienate one's partner. I suppose it has something to do with eschewing selfishness and jealousy and trusting in the fundamental goodness of the relationship.

And with that, I will leave off with the platitudes, and let someone else meander with their metaphors. 

Originally posted by Micky Micky wrote:

ditto though I may add.. there is no failure in failure. Unless you marry a Satanic soul sucking  Red-head.

What is it with red-heads and Satanic soul-sucking? I have had a relationship like that with a volatile ginger as well.


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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: August 13 2016 at 12:54
OK, no time to read the answers this morning, so I chose to post humour

But I can only echo Dean's words about self-confidence as being a good starting point at interesting the fairer sex in you... Let's be careful at not overdoing it either by becoming an arrogant arse, though... Yeah, some (usually blond and busty) women never learn and systematically end-up with the worst dicks in town, but then again, that cleavage of hers is where her brains are.
a good dose of humour helps a lot too. Women don't like depressive or boring people...
Being a good lover helps too, but generally that's when you need her to come back to you, so be attentive and generous with her needs and wishes >> she'll know that you're not an egotst dork

To be self-confident, it surely helps to like yoursef as a person: if you were from the other sex, would you date a guy like yourself??


Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: August 13 2016 at 13:10
As far as I'm concerned, I should be infinitely grateful to everyone who responded to my post since I have no real  straws to clutch where I live, and I'm finally getting advice from real people (I think ... but hey, we are a community  after all, right?).*

Back to the show. Thank you, fellas. 

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Strangely enough, I did not feel comfortable asking everyone in my family this very same set of questions (How about that?) ... probably because I don't want to know what a female would think of me. (Again with the concern for self-image. And yes, my uncle and I are the only grown men in my family). All my younger aunt had to say to this is: "read a book". And my grandmother said: "What are you, raised by wolves?", and I said "Yeah".


Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: August 13 2016 at 14:15
^
Sorry but your Gram's quote is funny  LOL


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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: August 13 2016 at 14:45

Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Originally posted by Micky Micky wrote:

ditto though I may add.. there is no failure in failure. Unless you marry a Satanic soul sucking  Red-head.

What is it with red-heads and Satanic soul-sucking? I have had a relationship like that with a volatile ginger as well.


hmmmm...what is it?..

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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: August 13 2016 at 15:27
^ Very true, Mick. Fortunately, I frustrated my personal redheaded leannán sídhe. Being an atheist, I had no soul to suck. She is now feeding on some other hapless fool even as we speak. Evil Smile

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Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: August 13 2016 at 15:27
Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

^
Sorry but your Gram's quote is funny  LOL
Actually, she said that as a comment on my social skills when we were talking about the lack of communication between my mother and me (after Gramma suggested I should get my relationship advice from my mother, who's been in god-knows-how-many failed relationships. And why get advice from someone who can't even start and maintain a healthy relationship, right? ... I suppose I shouldn't get into more minutia of it.). 


Posted By: micky
Date Posted: August 13 2016 at 15:52
Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

^ Very true, Mick. Fortunately, I frustrated my personal redheaded leannán sídhe. Being an atheist, I had no soul to suck. She is now feeding on some other hapless fool even as we speak. Evil Smile


LOL

unforuntately I had a lot... I've was told once by a voodoo priestess in New Orleans that my soul glowed like the sun and was a very old soul soon to finally leave this earth.  Well my ex damn near sucked it dry and sent me on my way to whereever we go when we leave this Earth. No worse feeling that feeling one is trapped in a bad marriage.

10 years worth of soul and self esteem gone ... yeah. I could write a book about those 10 years.  Garden variety Soul sucking Redheads are fun enough...I dated 4 previous to Becks....however NEVER MARRY ONE LOL I guess it took a ex-Mormon redhead to raise her to spawn of Satan queen soul sucker status by the time I realized I was in the clutches of old scratchs right hand woman... I was trapped. 

Think preachers daughters are wild.. sh*t... they got nothing on ex-Mormons.....


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Posted By: A_Flower
Date Posted: August 13 2016 at 20:24
Well, looking at Micky's former post, I'm glad that my current infatuation is not a redhead. Still, times are not easy in the teenage world of love. As I go back to school, I fear that I will have hard times getting over the girl who loves Rush almost as much as I do (I know, a proghead's dream and I screwed it up). I gave her one hint on Valentine's Day and then she stops speaking to me. Meanwhile, the other girl I like lives 50 miles away at another school and I barely even know her but can't stop thinking about her.

I hate love.

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Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: August 13 2016 at 20:30
Truly wishing you both the best at this....despite being old I remember those feelings Eliot.....horrible one moment, electric the next.  Decades later I'm still second guessing some of the moves I made and some that I didn't  LOL


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