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Mr ProgFreak
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Topic: CD vs. high bitrate, professionally ripped MP3 Posted: September 13 2009 at 10:52 |
So guys (and gals) ... what do you think? There may be already similar polls, but I'm particularly interested in how such a poll will turn out in 2009 ... download stores are gaining popularity, and it seems to me like MP3 is slowly, but steadily becoming the successor of the physical formats.
BTW: Let's not include consideration of artworks, booklets or other aspects here ... I think there's another poll that I started a few months ago which specifically asks whether you would purchase MP3s instead of CDs. Let's make this poll just about the actual music. BTW: My vote goes to: "There's no audible difference even on high-end systems". To back that up and in case some of you don't already know the study: http://www.geocities.com/altbinariessoundsmusicclassical/mp3test.html Even nine years ago they could not hear a difference. |
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Snow Dog
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Posted: September 13 2009 at 10:58 |
I went for option 1
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Mr ProgFreak
Forum Senior Member Joined: November 08 2008 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 5195 |
Posted: September 13 2009 at 11:00 |
^ wow, that was fast ...
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Snow Dog
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Posted: September 13 2009 at 11:01 |
^^ Was it?
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Vompatti
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Posted: September 13 2009 at 11:02 |
I don't think I could hear the difference.
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A Person
Forum Senior Member Joined: November 10 2008 Location: __ Status: Offline Points: 65760 |
Posted: September 13 2009 at 13:14 |
I can't hear the difference either, but I don't have a high end system.
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Pekka
Forum Senior Member Joined: August 03 2006 Location: Espoo, Finland Status: Offline Points: 6456 |
Posted: September 13 2009 at 13:17 |
In my experience if the cd is compressed to very loud levels, the clipping increases when ripped to even the best quality mp3. If the cd is mastered to reasonable volume levels with no clipping to begin with, then there's no big difference. Perhaps none at all, I haven't really listened to two versions side by side.
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The Sleepwalker
Prog Reviewer Joined: February 03 2009 Location: The Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 15141 |
Posted: September 13 2009 at 13:28 |
I can't hear any difference, so I voted option one.
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Mr ProgFreak
Forum Senior Member Joined: November 08 2008 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 5195 |
Posted: September 14 2009 at 05:06 |
I think it would be cool if those who vote here could also describe which types of systems they normally use for listening to music. As far as I'm concerned, most of the time I'll use Logitech X-530 speakers connected to the standard sound card of the computer and my Creative X-Fi mobile player with Sennheiser CX-300 in-ear headphones. But I also have a hi-fi system (Harman Kardon + Elac Speakers) and a professional audio-interface for the computer which I use to make music, connected to the hi-fi system and AKG K-512 headphones. :-)
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Petrovsk Mizinski
Prog Reviewer Joined: December 24 2007 Location: Ukraine Status: Offline Points: 25210 |
Posted: September 14 2009 at 05:24 |
192Kbps and beyond, even on my active studio monitors, not a single discernable difference, so I voted for number 1. I don't have a high end system as such, but listening through monitors is quite revealing.
Honestly I don't think even 96kbps sound bad, although it's clearly not the same as CD quality. Although I don't need to rip at 96Kbps anymore though |
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progkidjoel
Prog Reviewer Joined: March 02 2009 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 19643 |
Posted: September 14 2009 at 05:35 |
Option number 3 - I'll give some examples...
Yesterday morning, I was playing my dad a burnt CD of Maudlin Of The Well - Part The Second through our Klipsch stereo. (Note: these were the 263KBP MP3's, not the WAV's) You could immediately hear the thin dynamics and hollow noise... It didn't sound like a CD, but rather a slightly muffled radio replay of the tracks. My dad told me to download the CD quality WAV format the band had hosted on their website, and after re-burning these, you could immediately hear the difference... It wasn't really debatable. |
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Mr ProgFreak
Forum Senior Member Joined: November 08 2008 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 5195 |
Posted: September 14 2009 at 05:39 |
^ "a slightly muffled radio replay" ... I think it's more likely that something went wrong during burning. Can you try connecting the computer to the Klipsch?
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progkidjoel
Prog Reviewer Joined: March 02 2009 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 19643 |
Posted: September 14 2009 at 05:46 |
Possibly, not sure what input to use though... Its currently running through the PS3 with an Optic cable, so I'm not sure how to re-connect it. |
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Mr ProgFreak
Forum Senior Member Joined: November 08 2008 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 5195 |
Posted: September 14 2009 at 07:25 |
^ Doesn't it have line inputs, too? That would be the way to go ...
EDIT: Another thing: How did you burn the MP3s? Edited by Mr ProgFreak - September 14 2009 at 07:27 |
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progkidjoel
Prog Reviewer Joined: March 02 2009 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 19643 |
Posted: September 14 2009 at 07:26 |
Probably... I'll give it a proper look tomorrow, but I'm far too tired right now |
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Mr ProgFreak
Forum Senior Member Joined: November 08 2008 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 5195 |
Posted: September 14 2009 at 07:32 |
^ of course another quick check would be to connect quality headphones to the computer and listen to the mp3s there. If they don't sound muffled, then probably something went wrong during burning.
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progkidjoel
Prog Reviewer Joined: March 02 2009 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 19643 |
Posted: September 14 2009 at 07:34 |
^^I'll try that right now, and post back after listening to a track actually
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aapatsos
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Posted: September 14 2009 at 12:35 |
I have not tested that on a 'monster' machine so I can't vote... generally I would go for CDs over good quality mp3s
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Mr ProgFreak
Forum Senior Member Joined: November 08 2008 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 5195 |
Posted: September 14 2009 at 12:49 |
Do you think that the test would turn out that differently on a "monster" machine compared to the equipment that you normally use?
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Alberto Muņoz
Forum Senior Member Joined: July 26 2006 Location: Mexico Status: Offline Points: 3577 |
Posted: September 30 2009 at 20:17 |
I vote for FLAC
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