CD vs. high bitrate, professionally ripped MP3
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Topic: CD vs. high bitrate, professionally ripped MP3
Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Subject: CD vs. high bitrate, professionally ripped MP3
Date Posted: September 13 2009 at 10:52
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So guys (and gals) ... what do you think? There may be already similar polls, but I'm particularly interested in how such a poll will turn out in 2009 ... download stores are gaining popularity, and it seems to me like MP3 is slowly, but steadily becoming the successor of the physical formats. BTW: Let's not include consideration of artworks, booklets or other aspects here ... I think there's another poll that I started a few months ago which specifically asks whether you would purchase MP3s instead of CDs. Let's make this poll just about the actual music.  BTW: My vote goes to: "There's no audible difference even on high-end systems". To back that up and in case some of you don't already know the study: http://www.geocities.com/altbinariessoundsmusicclassical/mp3test.html - http://www.geocities.com/altbinariessoundsmusicclassical/mp3test.html Even nine years ago they could not hear a difference. ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: September 13 2009 at 10:58
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I went for option 1 ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: September 13 2009 at 11:00
^ wow, that was fast ...  
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: September 13 2009 at 11:01
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^^ Was it? ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: September 13 2009 at 11:02
| I don't think I could hear the difference. |
Posted By: A Person
Date Posted: September 13 2009 at 13:14
I can't hear the difference either, but I don't have a high end system. 
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Posted By: Pekka
Date Posted: September 13 2009 at 13:17
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In my experience if the cd is compressed to very loud levels, the clipping increases when ripped to even the best quality mp3. If the cd is mastered to reasonable volume levels with no clipping to begin with, then there's no big difference. Perhaps none at all, I haven't really listened to two versions side by side. ------------- http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=42652" rel="nofollow - It's on PA! 
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Posted By: The Sleepwalker
Date Posted: September 13 2009 at 13:28
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I can't hear any difference, so I voted option one. ------------- 
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Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: September 14 2009 at 05:06
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I think it would be cool if those who vote here could also describe which types of systems they normally use for listening to music. As far as I'm concerned, most of the time I'll use Logitech X-530 speakers connected to the standard sound card of the computer and my Creative X-Fi mobile player with Sennheiser CX-300 in-ear headphones. But I also have a hi-fi system (Harman Kardon + Elac Speakers) and a professional audio-interface for the computer which I use to make music, connected to the hi-fi system and AKG K-512 headphones. :-)
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Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: September 14 2009 at 05:24
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192Kbps and beyond, even on my active studio monitors, not a single discernable difference, so I voted for number 1. I don't have a high end system as such, but listening through monitors is quite revealing. Honestly I don't think even 96kbps sound bad, although it's clearly not the same as CD quality. Although I don't need to rip at 96Kbps anymore though ------------- 
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Posted By: progkidjoel
Date Posted: September 14 2009 at 05:35
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Option number 3 - I'll give some examples...
Yesterday morning, I was playing my dad a burnt CD of Maudlin Of The Well - Part The Second through our Klipsch stereo. (Note: these were the 263KBP MP3's, not the WAV's) You could immediately hear the thin dynamics and hollow noise... It didn't sound like a CD, but rather a slightly muffled radio replay of the tracks. My dad told me to download the CD quality WAV format the band had hosted on their website, and after re-burning these, you could immediately hear the difference... It wasn't really debatable. ------------- 
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Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: September 14 2009 at 05:39
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^ "a slightly muffled radio replay" ... I think it's more likely that something went wrong during burning. Can you try connecting the computer to the Klipsch?
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Posted By: progkidjoel
Date Posted: September 14 2009 at 05:46
Possibly, not sure what input to use though... Its currently running through the PS3 with an Optic cable, so I'm not sure how to re-connect it. -------------
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Mr ProgFreak wrote:Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: September 14 2009 at 07:25
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^ Doesn't it have line inputs, too? That would be the way to go ... EDIT: Another thing: How did you burn the MP3s? ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: progkidjoel
Date Posted: September 14 2009 at 07:26
Probably... I'll give it a proper look tomorrow, but I'm far too tired right now -------------
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Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: September 14 2009 at 07:32
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^ of course another quick check would be to connect quality headphones to the computer and listen to the mp3s there. If they don't sound muffled, then probably something went wrong during burning.
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Posted By: progkidjoel
Date Posted: September 14 2009 at 07:34
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^^I'll try that right now, and post back after listening to a track actually -------------
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Posted By: aapatsos
Date Posted: September 14 2009 at 12:35
| I have not tested that on a 'monster' machine so I can't vote... generally I would go for CDs over good quality mp3s |
Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: September 14 2009 at 12:49
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Do you think that the test would turn out that differently on a "monster" machine compared to the equipment that you normally use?
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Posted By: Alberto Muņoz
Date Posted: September 30 2009 at 20:17
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I vote for FLAC -------------  |
Posted By: NotAProghead
Date Posted: October 01 2009 at 20:26
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A question for those who voted for 1st option: do you own hi-end system? I don't think hi-end systems' owners use them for listening mp3s. ------------- Who are you and who am I to say we know the reason why... (D. Gilmour) |
Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: October 02 2009 at 01:18
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^ how would you define "hi-end system" for the purpose of this thread ... what brands, should it cost 1000 EUR or 10000 EUR, small wattage, high wattage ... I think I already described my gear, but how about a professional recording interface on the computer (Line 6 KB37) into a pair of Sennheiser HD 595? ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: b_olariu
Date Posted: October 02 2009 at 01:33
| second option |
Posted By: inrainbows
Date Posted: October 02 2009 at 17:50
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Third option, only lossles ripping could be compared to the original cd experience
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: October 02 2009 at 17:58
Technically yes, but could you hear the difference? No. IMO so as not to offend you. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: terryl
Date Posted: October 03 2009 at 03:58
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don't know about hi-end system, but I have been listening to my rips (in 256K mp3 and in FLAC) on my Sansa Fuze with Ultimate Ears Super-Fi3 and I know there are audible differences when ripped in different format. But i don't think i will hear them well anymore. I hearing high frequency all the time. Been playing loud metal music in headphones for more than 20 years, I think i'm losing my hearing. ------------- And who are we to justify the right in all we do Until we seek, until we find Ammonia Avenue http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrmJ39j58W0 |
